Jackson is not the answer

[Gonzo]

Quick Comparison between our two QBs against Montana:
JLJ
13-21-0 89 yds
Long 16 yds
Avg/Attempt 4.2 yds
Avg/Comp 6.8 yds
Avg yds/drive 15.8 yds

KB
8-12-1 116 yds
Long 35 yds
Avg/Attempt 9.7 yds
Avg/Comp 14.5 yds
Avg yds/drive 49 yds/drive

As far as I know all other things were equal, same O-line, receivers and running backs while both were playing against the same defense.

I'm with you in your assertion that Kam is our better option going forward at this point, but I think a major counterpoint would be that Montana spent their prep time scheming for Jackson. Remember ECU in '09. They had no idea what to do to contain Cadet because they spent their time prepping for Armanti, and then Presley after the lawnmower attack. It makes a big difference, especially when they're two completely different style QB's (one pass-centered, and one true duel threat).

[PhillyApp1]

Quick Comparison between our two QBs against Montana:
JLJ
13-21-0 89 yds
Long 16 yds
Avg/Attempt 4.2 yds
Avg/Comp 6.8 yds
Avg yds/drive 15.8 yds

KB
8-12-1 116 yds
Long 35 yds
Avg/Attempt 9.7 yds
Avg/Comp 14.5 yds
Avg yds/drive 49 yds/drive

As far as I know all other things were equal, same O-line, receivers and running backs while both were playing against the same defense.

I'm with you in your assertion that Kam is our better option going forward at this point, but I think a major counterpoint would be that Montana spent their prep time scheming for Jackson. Remember ECU in '09. They had no idea what to do to contain Cadet because they spent their time prepping for Armanti, and then Presley after the lawnmower attack. It makes a big difference, especially when they're two completely different style QB's (one pass-centered, and one true duel threat).

My problem is the other good teams are Better at preparing and executing their game against us. We are being out coached and played .a
the Best teams we have played for several years have shown us our defects and we are not adjusting.

Are we trying to make our team play a system we are not good at?
How many years do we watch other teams know exactly what we are going to do on offense?
Is playing with light d and o line working out for us against the better teams?
Can we beat more than one good team in a year?

When was the last time we were the stronger team on either side of the line? We're they any good?

Is it the players, the coaches, or both?

I keep watching the same bad movie and its disheartening. Sorry

[mountaineerman]

Stop saying that the defense did this and defense did that.The defense was on the field the entire first half no team defense will handle that well.The d did what it could and Satterfield and the offense struggled miserably. Just had my expectations way to high as like the past three years.

[3rd]

Quick Comparison between our two QBs against Montana:
JLJ
13-21-0 89 yds
Long 16 yds
Avg/Attempt 4.2 yds
Avg/Comp 6.8 yds
Avg yds/drive 15.8 yds

KB
8-12-1 116 yds
Long 35 yds
Avg/Attempt 9.7 yds
Avg/Comp 14.5 yds
Avg yds/drive 49 yds/drive

As far as I know all other things were equal, same O-line, receivers and running backs while both were playing against the same defense.

KB 2 turnovers and got us 3 points
JLJ 0 turnovers and got us 3 points

i will wait to see more before i judge

[AtlAppMan]

I believe BOTH field goals were due to KB managed drives.

[3rd]

I believe BOTH field goals were due to KB managed drives.

I believe you may be right i was getting confused with the missed FG of a shorter distance (believe that is right) but the point still remains. We had one game where we lost on the other side of the country as the first game of the year, and we got people talking about the state of our program and what will happen a year from now. Guys it was one game, it tends to be one or 2 games a year that get us. I along with others want to win every game but that's not gonna happen. Lets sit back and wait a few more games before we freak out.

[kgblade]

I think you misunderstand the point of us that are showing great concern. It is the same type team, bigger and stronger and definitely hungrier and playing with more heart and pride, that keeps physically kicking Apps arse. It has been a consistent pattern for years now and it got worse last year. Then this disaster to start the year. You can throw GaSo out the window because that one is one of the old "throw the record books out the window" kinda rivalries. The coaching is lacking in game planning, schemes and in game adjustments. I can't remember the last time I've seen an obvious and successful in game adjustment to a scheme that was working against us. It's like we just continue to try to ram our head into the wall instead of looking for the door.

[AtlAppMan]

I believe BOTH field goals were due to KB managed drives.

I believe you may be right i was getting confused with the missed FG of a shorter distance (believe that is right) but the point still remains. We had one game where we lost on the other side of the country as the first game of the year, and we got people talking about the state of our program and what will happen a year from now. Guys it was one game, it tends to be one or 2 games a year that get us. I along with others want to win every game but that's not gonna happen. Lets sit back and wait a few more games before we freak out.

3rd, I have not expressed an opinion. I only provided the raw statistics between two of our QBs in the only game this year. When a coach evaluates players he will use these statistics along with all other available observations. It will be interesting to see Satterfield's "adjustments" in the next few games.

Coaches always say the biggest improvements are from first to second game of the year. Let's see how it goes.

[JCline0429]

I believe BOTH field goals were due to KB managed drives.

I believe you may be right i was getting confused with the missed FG of a shorter distance (believe that is right) but the point still remains. We had one game where we lost on the other side of the country as the first game of the year, and we got people talking about the state of our program and what will happen a year from now. Guys it was one game, it tends to be one or 2 games a year that get us. I along with others want to win every game but that's not gonna happen. Lets sit back and wait a few more games before we freak out.

3rd, I have not expressed an opinion. I only provided the raw statistics between two of our QBs in the only game this year. When a coach evaluates players he will use these statistics along with all other available observations. It will be interesting to see Satterfield's "adjustments" in the next few games.

Coaches always say the biggest improvements are from first to second game of the year. Let's see how it goes.

We had the same problem vs the superior talent of Virginia Tech last year and still turned out OK. Here's counting on that this coming Saturday and beyond.

[WataugaMan]

"We had one game where we lost on the other side of the country as the first game of the year, and we got people talking about the state of our program and what will happen a year from now."

That's nothing, my brother was ready to write the program off for the next decade. It took me all weekend to talk him back from the ledge.

Without going into a lot of detail and in my opinion, the glaring issue we have is the lack of beef in the trenches. We are very blessed in skill positions, however, until we get some size in the trenches we are in for a long road once FBS gets here. The Montana game pretty much supports this glaring issue.

[ASUMountaineer]

Three years ago after the Wofford game and DP was hurt. JJ came in and played well. The question was asked if JJ should replace DP. I said no and you countered me with the fact that JJ was the future and the DP was not. Now you are saying essentially the same thing with your horse in that race. Come on man

That was not me. I have never been impressed with Jackson. He is a good guy and decent quarterback, But the game we lost at Furman a couple years ago where he was flailing his arms and basically throwing a tantrum the entire game showed me what type of personality he had as a leader and I've been luke warm on him ever since. It's nothing personal, but all those stats against the Elons of the world don't mean nothing when you come out here on the big stage and get out played by your backup.

Really?

[Maddog1956]

Quick Comparison between our two QBs against Montana:
JLJ
13-21-0 89 yds
Long 16 yds
Avg/Attempt 4.2 yds
Avg/Comp 6.8 yds
Avg yds/drive 15.8 yds

KB
8-12-1 116 yds
Long 35 yds
Avg/Attempt 9.7 yds
Avg/Comp 14.5 yds
Avg yds/drive 49 yds/drive

As far as I know all other things were equal, same O-line, receivers and running backs while both were playing against the same defense.

Just to be fair I think you'd have to add the TO's.

I'm not saying JLJ had his best game, but a team prepares for one QB all week and usually it takes them awhile to adjust to a new one. I wouldn't trade QB's on the fact that one did pretty fair until he turned awful, if that was the case the panthers would be playing Jimmy instead of Cam.

I'm not saying KB won't be a good QB either, just that they have had all summer to look both over and they thought JLJ was the better QB. If KB is a that much of a better QB and the coaches don't know it by now, this is going to be a long season. I think when you look at what both QB's did you can't say that either one was set up for success. Neither one had a day to be proud of, partly because of the o-line, RB's and the Griz's D.

[hapapp]

Coaches also tend to be loyal and JLJ is a senior. He is also clearly a team leader. I do believe the coaches are going with him until its proven they shouldn't. I don't think that decision is made just on the performances in one game. However, if he is really not ready to take the helm (physically or mentally) then I think a decision may have to be made to sit him until he's prepared for the job.

I certainly wouldn't say that KB "turned awful." He did commit 2 turnovers, but the fumble was after a long, first down run. The fumble was caused by a defender's helmet contacting the ball. That is likely a fumble a majority of the time regardless of the ball carrier. His interception was an ill-advised throw into coverage, however.

I will always defer to the coaches decision in these matters because, as you point out, they are there every day in practice. I have seen each play once thus far this season. It was, however, obvious on Saturday, to me at least, that KB was the better QB that night.

[3rd]

I believe BOTH field goals were due to KB managed drives.

I believe you may be right i was getting confused with the missed FG of a shorter distance (believe that is right) but the point still remains. We had one game where we lost on the other side of the country as the first game of the year, and we got people talking about the state of our program and what will happen a year from now. Guys it was one game, it tends to be one or 2 games a year that get us. I along with others want to win every game but that's not gonna happen. Lets sit back and wait a few more games before we freak out.

3rd, I have not expressed an opinion. I only provided the raw statistics between two of our QBs in the only game this year. When a coach evaluates players he will use these statistics along with all other available observations. It will be interesting to see Satterfield's "adjustments" in the next few games.

Coaches always say the biggest improvements are from first to second game of the year. Let's see how it goes.

Yea i understand, and i wasn't meaning to come across as "coming at you" and i agree JLJ did not have his best game. But to be completely honest the Broadcast was so crappy the whole game i couldn't see our receivers running routs. So i had no idea if he was holding the ball or if we just couldn't get open. But as i said earlier this weekend wont tell us to much but i will wait a little longer before i personally make a judgment. This weekend will serve us well in giving our guys another game to get what we should be running down(defensive side of ball). It will also help with our offence to get some chemistry down.

[JCline0429]

Coaches also tend to be loyal and JLJ is a senior. He is also clearly a team leader. I do believe the coaches are going with him until its proven they shouldn't. I don't think that decision is made just on the performances in one game. However, if he is really not ready to take the helm (physically or mentally) then I think a decision may have to be made to sit him until he's prepared for the job.

I certainly wouldn't say that KB "turned awful." He did commit 2 turnovers, but the fumble was after a long, first down run. The fumble was caused by a defender's helmet contacting the ball. That is likely a fumble a majority of the time regardless of the ball carrier. His interception was an ill-advised throw into coverage, however.

I will always defer to the coaches decision in these matters because, as you point out, they are there every day in practice. I have seen each play once thus far this season. It was, however, obvious on Saturday, to me at least, that KB was the better QB that night.

Turning the ball over was FAR worse than had he not gotten the first down.

[Maddog1956]

However, if he is really not ready to take the helm (physically or mentally) then I think a decision may have to be made to sit him until he's prepared for the job.

I certainly wouldn't say that KB "turned awful." He did commit 2 turnovers, but the fumble was after a long, first down run. The fumble was caused by a defender's helmet contacting the ball. That is likely a fumble a majority of the time regardless of the ball carrier. His interception was an ill-advised throw into coverage, however.

I will always defer to the coaches decision in these matters because, as you point out, they are there every day in practice. I have seen each play once thus far this season. It was, however, obvious on Saturday, to me at least, that KB was the better QB that night.

Turning the ball over was FAR worse than had he not gotten the first down.

I'm not sure if JLJ wasn't ready to the the helm or the boat wasn't seaworthy. I know I've stated it before but the team just didn't look prepared. I'll even give the coaches a break and say that maybe they just wasn't prepared for the Griz to be so big and good.

To me two back to back TO's is awful and that's why JlJ was put back in. Not saying KB is awful just that he ended on two bad breaks, after somewhat looking like he was going to save the day. QB 101 is to "down b4 fumble", the day may have ended differently if he had taken the ground. JLJ didn't have a great night either with a couple back to back snaps, etc.

So comparing which QB was better is a little like comparing the smell of cat vs dog poop, does it really matter? (no saying either QB is poop, but the end result was)

I've just seen it so many times that the backup QB comes in and has a great run, the defense final zero's in on him and makes adjustment and all the magic goes away.

But I'll agree KB did look good at first until he couldn't get a TD from the red zone and had the two TO's.

[hapapp]

Absent an injury, I do believe we will see Jamal start on Saturday. If I were Satterfield, absent something I see in practice this week that made me believe he couldn't go, I would start him. But, I would make sure that Kam got ample playing time. I think he needs to be able to evaluate the two again in a game setting.

It is hard to go against experience. Kam brings a different element to the game but he is inexperienced and the two turnovers are likely results from that. However, he certainly was more in tune with the "Always Attack" mantra. Going to be an interesting week.

[ASUPATCH]

Bryant had two turnovers in limited action......what a quarter and a half? Did he show flashes yes, But he made some costly mistakes. Int gave Montana good field position for a score and he fumbled while we were in the red zone. Could have been a 21 point swing. An argument could be made that Bryant lost us the game. Who knows?

[appst89]

Bryant had two turnovers in limited action......what a quarter and a half? Did he show flashes yes, But he made some costly mistakes. Int gave Montana good field position for a score and he fumbled while we were in the red zone. Could have been a 21 point swing. An argument could be made that Bryant lost us the game. Who knows?

Or Bryant generated the only 6 points we scored and took us inside the red zone the only two times we went there. The argument could also be made that without his contributions we get shutout.

[appbio91]

After Cadet's performance against ECU I think Armanti has lost his starting job. Who knows if his foot will ever heal enough to get him back to 100%. Cadet is the future. #deja vu