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Unread post by Black Saturday » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:52 am

Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.

Anyone know, who is actually calling plays?
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Unread post by hapapp » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:08 pm

The way it was explained preseason was that Satterfield would have the final say in the play called.

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Unread post by appst89 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:15 pm

At this point, I am hoping to see Sometimes Attack.

We have two weeks to get the train back on the tracks. The offense has looked absolutely awful for 90% of the season. For about 8 minutes at Montana and about half the 4th quarter last night, it looked like we were actually trying to advance the ball downfield.

We have to spend the next two weeks getting Bryant ready to be the man. We have to find out if there are any offensive linemen we can count on.

I don't recall seeing an ASU team look more lost than this one in the 30 years I have been following them. This is hard to watch, but I have to believe it's going to get better.

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Unread post by Black Saturday » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:44 pm

appst89 wrote:At this point, I am hoping to see Sometimes Attack.

We have two weeks to get the train back on the tracks. The offense has looked absolutely awful for 90% of the season. For about 8 minutes at Montana and about half the 4th quarter last night, it looked like we were actually trying to advance the ball downfield.

We have to spend the next two weeks getting Bryant ready to be the man. We have to find out if there are any offensive linemen we can count on.

I don't recall seeing an ASU team look more lost than this one in the 30 years I have been following them. This is hard to watch, but I have to believe it's going to get better.
Did you see The Citadel game last year?
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Unread post by appst89 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:50 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
appst89 wrote:At this point, I am hoping to see Sometimes Attack.

We have two weeks to get the train back on the tracks. The offense has looked absolutely awful for 90% of the season. For about 8 minutes at Montana and about half the 4th quarter last night, it looked like we were actually trying to advance the ball downfield.

We have to spend the next two weeks getting Bryant ready to be the man. We have to find out if there are any offensive linemen we can count on.

I don't recall seeing an ASU team look more lost than this one in the 30 years I have been following them. This is hard to watch, but I have to believe it's going to get better.
Did you see The Citadel game last year?
Yep. It was ugly, but we have always been either really good or really bad against TO teams. While that was a disheartening performance, I don't think it was comparable to the first two games of this year.

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Black Saturday wrote:
Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.

Anyone know, who is actually calling plays?
bc said it was two OC's and Coach Satterfield.
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Unread post by Kgfish » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:45 pm

Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.
Play calling is only as good if you have a QB physically capable of executing the plays being called.
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Unread post by firemoose » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:34 pm

Kgfish wrote:
Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.
Play calling is only as good if you have a QB physically capable of executing the plays being called.
It doesn't matter what version of the spread you run and what type of QB you use (true Dual Threat like AE or a passing QB who can run well, like RW), if your QB isn't 100% physically and/or mentally then more than half of the play book goes right out the window. To defend a true spread you always have to spy the QB. That takes up one defender on every play. When he's not a threat, for whatever reason, that makes the field calls that much easier. We'll just have to see what happens when Kam takes the majority of the snaps with the 1's and starts. Right now he is a much bigger threat than JLJ. Hopefully we can also get our WR rotation fixed and get the TE's more involved. That extra defender won't be able to drop to double the TE if he's having to spy the QB.
We'll see in two weeks if there is a difference in the calls.

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Unread post by bcoach » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:38 pm

firemoose wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.
Play calling is only as good if you have a QB physically capable of executing the plays being called.
It doesn't matter what version of the spread you run and what type of QB you use (true Dual Threat like AE or a passing QB who can run well, like RW), if your QB isn't 100% physically and/or mentally then more than half of the play book goes right out the window. To defend a true spread you always have to spy the QB. That takes up one defender on every play. When he's not a threat, for whatever reason, that makes the field calls that much easier. We'll just have to see what happens when Kam takes the majority of the snaps with the 1's and starts. Right now he is a much bigger threat than JLJ. Hopefully we can also get our WR rotation fixed and get the TE's more involved. That extra defender won't be able to drop to double the TE if he's having to spy the QB.
We'll see in two weeks if there is a difference in the calls.
I had forgotten about TE. Do we still have them? :o

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Unread post by firemoose » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:47 pm

bcoach wrote:I had forgotten about TE. Do we still have them? :o
Other than an overthrown pass by JLJ to Burns and a TD to Burns....not so much. TE stat line: Burns-1 for 10 yds...1 TD. And for the TE's that's it.

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Unread post by Kgfish » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm

bcoach wrote:
firemoose wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.
Play calling is only as good if you have a QB physically capable of executing the plays being called.
It doesn't matter what version of the spread you run and what type of QB you use (true Dual Threat like AE or a passing QB who can run well, like RW), if your QB isn't 100% physically and/or mentally then more than half of the play book goes right out the window. To defend a true spread you always have to spy the QB. That takes up one defender on every play. When he's not a threat, for whatever reason, that makes the field calls that much easier. We'll just have to see what happens when Kam takes the majority of the snaps with the 1's and starts. Right now he is a much bigger threat than JLJ. Hopefully we can also get our WR rotation fixed and get the TE's more involved. That extra defender won't be able to drop to double the TE if he's having to spy the QB.
We'll see in two weeks if there is a difference in the calls.
I had forgotten about TE. Do we still have them? :o
Bailey is getting tons of work in the back field as a blocker. When you don't have any linemen who can get it done ya gotta get help somewhere! :roll:
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Unread post by firemoose » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:17 pm

Kgfish wrote:
bcoach wrote:
firemoose wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Appftw wrote:This starts and ends with playcalling IMO. Satterfield has no cajones. 1st down WR screen, 2nd down run up the middle and then we're forced into dumb mistakes on 3rd and long when we actually do it air it out (god forbid we throw over the middle unless we're down 2 scores). Completely fixable but Satterfield is letting our guys down so far.
Play calling is only as good if you have a QB physically capable of executing the plays being called.
It doesn't matter what version of the spread you run and what type of QB you use (true Dual Threat like AE or a passing QB who can run well, like RW), if your QB isn't 100% physically and/or mentally then more than half of the play book goes right out the window. To defend a true spread you always have to spy the QB. That takes up one defender on every play. When he's not a threat, for whatever reason, that makes the field calls that much easier. We'll just have to see what happens when Kam takes the majority of the snaps with the 1's and starts. Right now he is a much bigger threat than JLJ. Hopefully we can also get our WR rotation fixed and get the TE's more involved. That extra defender won't be able to drop to double the TE if he's having to spy the QB.
We'll see in two weeks if there is a difference in the calls.
I had forgotten about TE. Do we still have them? :o
Bailey is getting tons of work in the back field as a blocker. When you don't have any linemen who can get it done ya gotta get help somewhere! :roll:
You are quite correct fish. I was about to edit and add that to my post. Hard to get the TE's involved in the passing game when they are standing beside the QB tied to a lineman.

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Unread post by 3rd » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:35 pm

Also because the o-line can't hold up, we don't go 5 WR sets that much i am pretty sure we used to do that a lot. We also ran a lot of QB draws out of that set and it killed defenses. Lots of work to do but still have a bunch of positives. I support the players and the staff, and i will be at the rock on every Saturday that we have a game no matter what. The offence looks out of it right now, but i believe this team will turn it around and have a good season. If we win the next game then we start this year just like last year 1-2 and i thought last year was a pretty successful season.

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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:28 am

APPSTATE-H3 wrote:Thank you Charlie Cobb for all you have done to distroy App State sports!
Is he to blame for your poor spelling too?

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Unread post by Appsolutely » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:14 pm

Appalachman wrote:Satterfield and Obama keep talking about attacking something. Which one will shut up and do it first? Obama needs congress to approve and apparently Satterfield needs a committee to do so.
I got something you'd probably like to attack.
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Unread post by AppState89 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:42 pm

Dean Smith and Coach "K" didn't gave good starts either!!!!!!

I'm upset too, but it will come around and when it does....we will have a very good team...
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AppState89 wrote:Dean Smith and Coach "K" didn't gave good starts either!!!!!!

I'm upset too, but it will come around and when it does....we will have a very good team...
I've said that several times on here related to some of our younger coaches such as Satt and Fancher.
I recall we beat Coach K his first year at Duke.
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Unread post by AppAlum1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:43 pm

APPSTATE-H3 wrote:Thank you Charlie Cobb for all you have done to distroy App State sports!

Son, you need to go over to another school's message board & hate away over there!

You have not earned the right to be critical of much of anything.

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Unread post by App91 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:34 pm

APPSTATE-H3 wrote:Thank you Charlie Cobb for all you have done to distroy App State sports!
Have a clue much? Not sure what you are referring to here. The AD has very little input in to coaching or scheme, or recruiting for that matter.

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Unread post by Black Saturday » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:13 pm

App91 wrote:
APPSTATE-H3 wrote:Thank you Charlie Cobb for all you have done to distroy App State sports!
Have a clue much? Not sure what you are referring to here. The AD has very little input in to coaching or scheme, or recruiting for that matter.

Notice the date? This is the second week of H3 not having a clue about football. Similar post again on Saturday night.
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