The Sun Belt Teams Coming to Boone 2014/15

[AppState2014]

I think everyone should look at our roster and really project what we should do in 2016 because that's the first year we are bowl eligible and it's the year that most matters to me for the coaches.

App is bowl eligible in 2015 and IIRC, App can make a bowl in 2014 if App wins the conference and every program in the Sun Belt wets the bed and there are not enough bowl eligible teams. I imagine the likelihood of this happening at less than 1% but there is a chance! (insert dumb & dumber)

I realized right after I hit submit and edited it. 2015 is the bowl eligible year.

[AppState2014]

Scott and staff have improved in every facet of their positions sans winning games in under 18 months on the job.

Recruiting has improved - the process at the FBS level is more intense and time consuming and they hit the ground running. I certainly did not expect the results they were able to achieve (beating peers for recruits) in year one.

Academics have improved - the football team GPA is higher

Community outreach has improved - love reading about what the student athletes are doing in this regard

This plus the move to the FBS has provided Scott and staff IMO four years to see what they can do. Way too early to even bring up a win number for a given year or it's time to move on.

Exactly. The number one or number 2 recruiting class in the Sun Belt, and someone mentions throwing him out if he doesn't win 5-6 games. Unreal.

I agree with everything you said except two minor tweaks.

1. The better recruits are going to happen no matter what once we moved up. We don't know if we are #1 or #2 in the Sun Belt in recruiting yet because no games are played. Don't put too much stock in a website where you don't know anything about those doing the rankings. Based on those very rankings you mention the following players were unrated, meaning no stars: Armanti Edwards, Brian Quick, Mark LeGree, Kerry Brown, DJ Smith, Jason Hunter, Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch, etc, etc. I could keep going but you get my point. Every single player we sign now will be rated 2 or 3 star, at the minimum, because we moved up. If we had been FBS back in 2004-2009 then all of those players I mentioned would have been 2 or 3 star.

2. If he had a winning season last year, then yes I would say he has at least 3 years in the Sun Belt to win but if we only win 2 or 3 games this year, Scott Satterfield will not be retained. There is no way you can justify that because while I love the improvements in other things and I like Scott a lot, you don't have back to back losing seasons in Boone, NC and return as head coach. I'm not saying he has to win 7 or 8 games but I think he has to win at least 5 to keep his job. Scott has been told there must be improvements on the field this year. If we are 2-10 and get blown out in 4-6 games then he will not be back. I don't think that will happen though. I would be completely shocked if that happened.

With those two points made, I want to be very clear I'm pulling for Scott and I don't think that will happen. I expect 5 wins this year and anything more will be just that much better. The sad thing is that getting out in the community, the good GPAs, going to class, etc. are all things that we should not praise because there is no excuse not to have that anyway. I really like what Scott has been doing off the field and I know he is a very good recruiter. What Scott has improved so far are things that should have never fallen off. Jerry Moore allowed those things to fall but he won games.

Two things to always keep in mind.

1. We could have all the corruption in the world going on but if we are winning 10 plus games a year and the NCAA is not coming down on us, then nobody is going to complain. Just look at programs like Alabama, South Carolina, etc as examples of what I just said.

2. We could be the best example of class and all else off the field but if we are winning just 2 or 3 games a year then the head coach will lose his job.

Those two things are just how the world works. I'm not saying it's fair and I do think there is something to be said for graduating players, running a clean program, and at least winning 5-6 games or more a year but App State is a winning program and losing is not acceptable to anyone.

The recruits we are getting, not all but most, seem to be much better than what we got in FCS. I would say we signed about 15-17 or so last year we would not have gotten if we had not moved up.

I think Scott wins 5 games this year and then 2015, like BigC said, is probably going to be the make or break for whether Scott is renewed or not. There is just no reasonable argument anyone can give me if our only wins this year were to be Campbell, Liberty, and Georgia State. That's not going to cut it and we all know that.

Coach Satt has one year under his belt, and has yet to have a season where he can coach for a postseason. His first season was a transition year coaching the previous coach's players, and his second year will be a transition year with the toughest schedule--maybe ever. No other App State coach has had to follow a legend while moving up in classification--different situations call for different actions. Of course, I see that you will discredit anything positive Coach Satt has done in his one year as a HC, so there's not much of a reason for discussion here.

Not true at all. I'm one of those who loves what Scott has done so far, outside of the bad record last year. This will be the toughest schedule ever simply because it has Michigan and the top 3 or 4 in the Sun Belt are pretty good but our 4 or 5 worst opponents match a normal year for us. Any fan who is 100% behind a coach who has three or four straight losing seasons at App State though is just seeing things with black and gold colored glasses. I'm in the middle of both because I'm pulling for Scott but I don't care who the coach is, I just want to win and prove to haters in FCS that we are not going to be a bottom dweller with this move up.

I know this is a different situation but you know there are money donors who will not tolerate a 1 or 2 win season. Like I said, I know this will be a tough season but the future looks good and I don't expect all this debate will matter because he will win 4 or 5 games.

[bcoach]

Haha I was just looking at his posts, he said himself that at minimum satt needed a "couple years". He's had a change of heart since may it seems

I said a couple years and last year was year one. I'm not saying I'll want him out and I'm not saying he should go but yes like someone else said, there will be many wanting him gone. I meant he had two years, no matter what, and as long as we don't appear to get worse in terms of coaching, he will get a third. I don't think 2016 is guaranteed and while I think 2015 is going to happen for Scott, I don't think that a 2-10 season will not get him to 2015. I'm not sure why we are arguing about it though because it would take awful coaching for us not to win at least 3 or 4 games.

In regards to the 30k comment hopefully we are back near that this year and attendance doesn't start off where it finished last season.

Others have said it on here and I think anyone who has a friend in the athletic department knows that the fact is Scott was told there has to be improvement on the field. A 1 or 2 win season will not allow him to retain his job. Anyone who expects 7 or 8 wins is crazy but 4-5 is not crazy. We should win 4 by default and I think Scott is going to get us 5, with 1 or 2 real close ones that we will walk away saying a field goal here and there and we would have had a shot to win 6 or 7. I

I think he wins 5 games and I'm perfectly happy with that. It shows improvement and not only that it sets us up to be bowl eligible in 2015. To me, 2015 is most important because it's the first time we are bowl eligible.

Well you last post was 2-3 wins now it is 1-2wins will the next be a forfeit - 1 win and he is out?

[bcoach]

Scott and staff have improved in every facet of their positions sans winning games in under 18 months on the job.

Recruiting has improved - the process at the FBS level is more intense and time consuming and they hit the ground running. I certainly did not expect the results they were able to achieve (beating peers for recruits) in year one.

Academics have improved - the football team GPA is higher

Community outreach has improved - love reading about what the student athletes are doing in this regard

This plus the move to the FBS has provided Scott and staff IMO four years to see what they can do. Way too early to even bring up a win number for a given year or it's time to move on.

Exactly. The number one or number 2 recruiting class in the Sun Belt, and someone mentions throwing him out if he doesn't win 5-6 games. Unreal.

I agree with everything you said except two minor tweaks.

1. The better recruits are going to happen no matter what once we moved up. We don't know if we are #1 or #2 in the Sun Belt in recruiting yet because no games are played. Don't put too much stock in a website where you don't know anything about those doing the rankings. Based on those very rankings you mention the following players were unrated, meaning no stars: Armanti Edwards, Brian Quick, Mark LeGree, Kerry Brown, DJ Smith, Jason Hunter, Marques Murrell, Corey Lynch, etc, etc. I could keep going but you get my point. Every single player we sign now will be rated 2 or 3 star, at the minimum, because we moved up. If we had been FBS back in 2004-2009 then all of those players I mentioned would have been 2 or 3 star.

2. If he had a winning season last year, then yes I would say he has at least 3 years in the Sun Belt to win but if we only win 2 or 3 games this year, Scott Satterfield will not be retained. There is no way you can justify that because while I love the improvements in other things and I like Scott a lot, you don't have back to back losing seasons in Boone, NC and return as head coach. I'm not saying he has to win 7 or 8 games but I think he has to win at least 5 to keep his job. Scott has been told there must be improvements on the field this year. If we are 2-10 and get blown out in 4-6 games then he will not be back. I don't think that will happen though. I would be completely shocked if that happened.

With those two points made, I want to be very clear I'm pulling for Scott and I don't think that will happen. I expect 5 wins this year and anything more will be just that much better. The sad thing is that getting out in the community, the good GPAs, going to class, etc. are all things that we should not praise because there is no excuse not to have that anyway. I really like what Scott has been doing off the field and I know he is a very good recruiter. What Scott has improved so far are things that should have never fallen off. Jerry Moore allowed those things to fall but he won games.

Two things to always keep in mind.

1. We could have all the corruption in the world going on but if we are winning 10 plus games a year and the NCAA is not coming down on us, then nobody is going to complain. Just look at programs like Alabama, South Carolina, etc as examples of what I just said.

2. We could be the best example of class and all else off the field but if we are winning just 2 or 3 games a year then the head coach will lose his job.

Those two things are just how the world works. I'm not saying it's fair and I do think there is something to be said for graduating players, running a clean program, and at least winning 5-6 games or more a year but App State is a winning program and losing is not acceptable to anyone.

The recruits we are getting, not all but most, seem to be much better than what we got in FCS. I would say we signed about 15-17 or so last year we would not have gotten if we had not moved up.

I think Scott wins 5 games this year and then 2015, like BigC said, is probably going to be the make or break for whether Scott is renewed or not. There is just no reasonable argument anyone can give me if our only wins this year were to be Campbell, Liberty, and Georgia State. That's not going to cut it and we all know that.

Coach Satt has one year under his belt, and has yet to have a season where he can coach for a postseason. His first season was a transition year coaching the previous coach's players, and his second year will be a transition year with the toughest schedule--maybe ever. No other App State coach has had to follow a legend while moving up in classification--different situations call for different actions. Of course, I see that you will discredit anything positive Coach Satt has done in his one year as a HC, so there's not much of a reason for discussion here.

Not true at all. I'm one of those who loves what Scott has done so far, outside of the bad record last year. This will be the toughest schedule ever simply because it has Michigan and the top 3 or 4 in the Sun Belt are pretty good but our 4 or 5 worst opponents match a normal year for us. Any fan who is 100% behind a coach who has three or four straight losing seasons at App State though is just seeing things with black and gold colored glasses. I'm in the middle of both because I'm pulling for Scott but I don't care who the coach is, I just want to win and prove to haters in FCS that we are not going to be a bottom dweller with this move up.

I know this is a different situation but you know there are money donors who will not tolerate a 1 or 2 win season. Like I said, I know this will be a tough season but the future looks good and I don't expect all this debate will matter because he will win 4 or 5 games.

Well now 2 seasons turned into 3-4 seasons. Why don't we all get off this Scott is gone crap when the season hasn't even started. One other thing if major donors should be calling the shots then let the students decide what we should do as they are the major donors.

[EastHallApp]

To recap:

To me, if Scott doesn't win at least 5-6 games this year he should definitely be gone.

OK, has to win at least 5, or maybe 6 – check.

I'm not saying I would let him go if he doesn't win more than 5 games ... I am one of those who says he should only go if he wins just 3 games.

Right, AS2014 isn’t saying he’d let SS go if he doesn’t win more than 5. He’s just saying “he should definitely be gone.” Completely different.

if we only win 2 or 3 games this year, Scott Satterfield will not be retained.

Well maybe 4 wins would be enough after all.

There is no way you can justify that because while I love the improvements in other things and I like Scott a lot, you don't have back to back losing seasons in Boone, NC and return as head coach.

On second thought, forget 4 wins, and while we’re at it, 5 wins is for suckers. 6-6 is the minimum for SS to keep his job. But that’s not what AS2014 wants, that’s just the reality of what will happen. Real talk, people!

I'm not saying he has to win 7 or 8 games but I think he has to win at least 5 to keep his job

OK, OK, things got a little heated there, and that last quote probably jumped the gun a bit. Win 5 and you’re OK.

I'm not saying I'll want him out and I'm not saying he should go but yes like someone else said, there will be many wanting him gone.

Right, he’s not saying he’d want SS out, or that he should go, just that “many” will want him gone. For instance, those people who say if he wins fewer than 5 “he should definitely be gone,” or “there is no way you can justify that.” THOSE are the people who would want SS fired.

I meant he had two years, no matter what, and as long as we don't appear to get worse in terms of coaching, he will get a third. I don't think 2016 is guaranteed and while I think 2015 is going to happen for Scott, I don't think that a 2-10 season will not get him to 2015.

Exactly. SS will definitely be back for 2015, unless he isn’t.

I'm not sure why we are arguing about it though because it would take awful coaching for us not to win at least 3 or 4 games.

Yeah, who started this dumb argument anyway?!

[firemoose]

Little hint AppState2014. Whoever your source is for your "information" you badly need a new one.

[ASUMountaineer]

Coach Satt has one year under his belt, and has yet to have a season where he can coach for a postseason. His first season was a transition year coaching the previous coach's players, and his second year will be a transition year with the toughest schedule--maybe ever. No other App State coach has had to follow a legend while moving up in classification--different situations call for different actions. Of course, I see that you will discredit anything positive Coach Satt has done in his one year as a HC, so there's not much of a reason for discussion here.

Not true at all. I'm one of those who loves what Scott has done so far, outside of the bad record last year. This will be the toughest schedule ever simply because it has Michigan and the top 3 or 4 in the Sun Belt are pretty good but our 4 or 5 worst opponents match a normal year for us. Any fan who is 100% behind a coach who has three or four straight losing seasons at App State though is just seeing things with black and gold colored glasses. I'm in the middle of both because I'm pulling for Scott but I don't care who the coach is, I just want to win and prove to haters in FCS that we are not going to be a bottom dweller with this move up.

I know this is a different situation but you know there are money donors who will not tolerate a 1 or 2 win season. Like I said, I know this will be a tough season but the future looks good and I don't expect all this debate will matter because he will win 4 or 5 games.

No need to jump around, who said anything about 3-4 straight losing seasons? Don't change up the stance now.

[ASUMountaineer]

EastHallApp = /thread.

[AppState2014]

Haha I was just looking at his posts, he said himself that at minimum satt needed a "couple years". He's had a change of heart since may it seems

I said a couple years and last year was year one. I'm not saying I'll want him out and I'm not saying he should go but yes like someone else said, there will be many wanting him gone. I meant he had two years, no matter what, and as long as we don't appear to get worse in terms of coaching, he will get a third. I don't think 2016 is guaranteed and while I think 2015 is going to happen for Scott, I don't think that a 2-10 season will not get him to 2015. I'm not sure why we are arguing about it though because it would take awful coaching for us not to win at least 3 or 4 games.

In regards to the 30k comment hopefully we are back near that this year and attendance doesn't start off where it finished last season.

Others have said it on here and I think anyone who has a friend in the athletic department knows that the fact is Scott was told there has to be improvement on the field. A 1 or 2 win season will not allow him to retain his job. Anyone who expects 7 or 8 wins is crazy but 4-5 is not crazy. We should win 4 by default and I think Scott is going to get us 5, with 1 or 2 real close ones that we will walk away saying a field goal here and there and we would have had a shot to win 6 or 7. I

I think he wins 5 games and I'm perfectly happy with that. It shows improvement and not only that it sets us up to be bowl eligible in 2015. To me, 2015 is most important because it's the first time we are bowl eligible.

Well you last post was 2-3 wins now it is 1-2wins will the next be a forfeit - 1 win and he is out?

Was just saying 1-2 to show worst case. I'll clarify. The rumors going around Boone from people in the athletic department are that if he wins 1-3 games and we are blown out heavily that he will be gone. I don't think that happens though.

Do you honestly think we won't win at least 4 or 5 games? We have what should be two gimme games and there is no reason to believe that Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Idaho are all games we can't win.

[AppState2014]

Coach Satt has one year under his belt, and has yet to have a season where he can coach for a postseason. His first season was a transition year coaching the previous coach's players, and his second year will be a transition year with the toughest schedule--maybe ever. No other App State coach has had to follow a legend while moving up in classification--different situations call for different actions. Of course, I see that you will discredit anything positive Coach Satt has done in his one year as a HC, so there's not much of a reason for discussion here.

Not true at all. I'm one of those who loves what Scott has done so far, outside of the bad record last year. This will be the toughest schedule ever simply because it has Michigan and the top 3 or 4 in the Sun Belt are pretty good but our 4 or 5 worst opponents match a normal year for us. Any fan who is 100% behind a coach who has three or four straight losing seasons at App State though is just seeing things with black and gold colored glasses. I'm in the middle of both because I'm pulling for Scott but I don't care who the coach is, I just want to win and prove to haters in FCS that we are not going to be a bottom dweller with this move up.

I know this is a different situation but you know there are money donors who will not tolerate a 1 or 2 win season. Like I said, I know this will be a tough season but the future looks good and I don't expect all this debate will matter because he will win 4 or 5 games.

No need to jump around, who said anything about 3-4 straight losing seasons? Don't change up the stance now.

Nobody. I just brought it up as an example. I certainly hope it doesn't happen and I don't think it will.

My point entirely is that our administration isn't going to put up with losing and our fans won't either. We are getting better players and there is no reason why we shouldn't or couldn't at least be competitive and in the top 4-5 of the Sun Belt standings by 2016. If our head coach isn't producing those results then he will find himself out of the door. I'm not projecting that to happen.

From reading this board there are some people who sound like they are against Scott no matter what and it sounds like some of you are going to stand up for him no matter what. I'm just saying that there is no way Charlie Cobb is going to go through 3 or 4 straight losing seasons for anyone. I'm pulling for Scott for sure because he is our head coach. The only way I will ever be against him is if he is coaching for one of our opponents and I hope that is never the case.

[BeauFoster]

Nobody. I just brought it up as an example. I certainly hope it doesn't happen and I don't think it will.

My point entirely is that our administration isn't going to put up with losing and our fans won't either. We are getting better players and there is no reason why we shouldn't or couldn't at least be competitive and in the top 4-5 of the Sun Belt standings by 2016. If our head coach isn't producing those results then he will find himself out of the door. I'm not projecting that to happen.

From reading this board there are some people who sound like they are against Scott no matter what and it sounds like some of you are going to stand up for him no matter what. I'm just saying that there is no way Charlie Cobb is going to go through 3 or 4 straight losing seasons for anyone. I'm pulling for Scott for sure because he is our head coach. The only way I will ever be against him is if he is coaching for one of our opponents and I hope that is never the case.

You don't understand football much, do you? We've got better players, all of whom are so young they haven't seen the college field yet, but they should win against equally, yet more experienced competition. Got it.

[Yosef10]

We could not win a single game this year and satterfield would be back. There are no rumors going around boone saying SS will be gone if he wins 1-3 games. It's clear you don't really know what you're talking about as you keep sayin "many will be calling for his job" including many on this message board, yet you're the only person I see in support of firing SS for any reason after the 2014 season. As I said earlier, please, just stop.

[bcoach]

Nobody. I just brought it up as an example. I certainly hope it doesn't happen and I don't think it will.

My point entirely is that our administration isn't going to put up with losing and our fans won't either. We are getting better players and there is no reason why we shouldn't or couldn't at least be competitive and in the top 4-5 of the Sun Belt standings by 2016. If our head coach isn't producing those results then he will find himself out of the door. I'm not projecting that to happen.

From reading this board there are some people who sound like they are against Scott no matter what and it sounds like some of you are going to stand up for him no matter what. I'm just saying that there is no way Charlie Cobb is going to go through 3 or 4 straight losing seasons for anyone. I'm pulling for Scott for sure because he is our head coach. The only way I will ever be against him is if he is coaching for one of our opponents and I hope that is never the case.

You don't understand football much, do you? We've got better players, all of whom are so young they haven't seen the college field yet, but they should win against equally, yet more experienced competition. Got it.

We also have better competition.

[Gonzo]

Easthall: We're not worthy. We're not worthy.

[bcoach]

Easthall: We're not worthy. We're not worthy.

I am surprised you haven't jumped in sooner. this 2014 guy is a real trip.

[firemoose]

Was just saying 1-2 to show worst case. I'll clarify. The rumors going around Boone from people in the athletic department are that if he wins 1-3 games and we are blown out heavily that he will be gone. I don't think that happens though.

Do you honestly think we won't win at least 4 or 5 games? We have what should be two gimme games and there is no reason to believe that Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Idaho are all games we can't win.

There are two statements in bold there. IF it was coming from "people in the athletic department" then it's not "rumors going around Boone". It's not a rumor if people from the athletic department say it and if it's a rumor then state that instead of saying it like you know it's a fact.

I don't post anything on this board unless I can confirm it through at least two, and if it's bigger, three independent sources. I don't know you but I think most people on this board know I have very good sources. I don't rely on rumor. I don't have to.

[firemoose]

Easthall: We're not worthy. We're not worthy.

I am surprised you haven't jumped in sooner. this 2014 guy is a real trip.

Yep...this one is fun.

[Gonzo]

Easthall: We're not worthy. We're not worthy.

I am surprised you haven't jumped in sooner. this 2014 guy is a real trip.

I chimed in early and tried to give the guy the benefit of the doubt as a new poster/fan. Then he kept on talking.

[WVAPPeer]

We could not win a single game this year and satterfield would be back. There are no rumors going around boone saying SS will be gone if he wins 1-3 games. It's clear you don't really know what you're talking about as you keep sayin "many will be calling for his job" including many on this message board, yet you're the only person I see in support of firing SS for any reason after the 2014 season. As I said earlier, please, just stop.

Exactly !!! And I will repeat ---
"We could not win a single game this year and Satterfield would be back."

[firemoose]

We could not win a single game this year and satterfield would be back. There are no rumors going around boone saying SS will be gone if he wins 1-3 games. It's clear you don't really know what you're talking about as you keep sayin "many will be calling for his job" including many on this message board, yet you're the only person I see in support of firing SS for any reason after the 2014 season. As I said earlier, please, just stop.

Exactly !!! And I will repeat ---
"We could not win a single game this year and Satterfield would be back."

Anyone who knows anything knows Scott has said all along that his target was 2015. He wouldn't have shirted as many as he did last year and will be again this year if it wasn't. FBS football is all about building a foundation. You have to build a strong one that will continue to feed on itself every year in order to have even a chance at success. Even that's not a guarantee (what in life is except the standard answer of death and taxes) but if you don't build it then success will NOT come.