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Unread post by appvette » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:58 am

oldfart wrote:Great win, Im genuinely happy that you hillbillies finally seem to be getting it together. I'm actually glad we got our game out of the way early. I don't know if I'd want to play yall now. That said,good job, but yall have to take care of ULL in a couple of weeks for us. All we hear from those swamp dwellers is that we haven't played anyone... Hello? We didn't hand pick the teams we got to play. Anyway, we now get to play for the title or a share of it and it would be greatly appreciated if yall could do us a solid and beat ULL. Keep up the good work and we'll see you in Boone next year, hopefully the winner of that contest will take the SunBelt. Good luck, never forget we still hate yall. Oldfart out :D
I say we should intentionally lose to ULL to avoid the outright Stink conf championship.

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Unread post by rbarthle17 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:00 am

I have been preaching patience from the start. However, I did also say after the Liberty game I thought we had seen the last winning football we would see all year. That is clearly wrong so I take my crow for that. Very much enjoying this run, but still not worried about what happens in 2014. It all starts this offseason for what really matters.

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Unread post by BeauFoster » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:07 am

appvette wrote: I suggest you do NOT go visit appfan.com. It is full of knee jerk, "I won't be happy till we win the SEC" people
I quit visiting appfan about 3 years ago. The commenters on that site are like monkeys throwing crap all over the place, but less organized. Too bad, the content was decent as I remember.
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Unread post by ASUPATCH » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:20 am

I will take a small Appetizer sized serving of crow. We have 3 FBS wins with a combined record of 6-23(two of those wins are beating eachother). Yes ULM was the best of the wins and played TAMU close, a TAMU team that played Auburn well but I remind you that they had just got drubbed 59-0 by Bama the week before. But they also narrowly escaped Idaho and Troy at home. We went in the game as a 3.5 point favorite. So I am glad we finally won a close one. I will temper my expectation until we see what we have against Ark St and ULL. I don't need to see wins but a vast improvement on how we played Michigan as I feel they are comparably as good as the Wolverines this year. Still hold Satterfield responsible for putting to much trust in our FG/PAT unit for too long. Essentially cost us two games. To his credit he didnt take the foot off the pedal against ULM, Lamb just choked on a couple balls and short armed them. So in my eyes that was a vast improvement.

Overall a good win but not the big statement game many are making it out to be. Sunbelt wise ULM has beat Idaho and Troy.......thats it folks.
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Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:31 am

App1990 wrote:The swings in rhetoric is amazing. Lose to Liberty. The world is ending. Beat some bad teams. The world is perfect. Let's get real. First, I never suggested firing Satt. I think he has been far from solid, but also I think he deserves time. But if we want to be honest with ourselves, the jury is still out on this year and our trajectory.

Yes, ULM is a better win than GSU and Troy, which isn't saying much because both GSU and Troy are simply horrid. Both would likely be at the bottom of the SoCon (GSU is 0-2 against he SoCon since joining the Sun Belt, and Troy lost to Abilene Christian this year). I point that out because ULM had a hard time beating Troy and the equally horrid Idaho. They did play TAMU tough, which certainly deserves consideration, but that was more TAMU who suspended their QB for this game and kept things simple for the new QB. Simply put, ULM is not a great team. A middle of the pack Sun Belt team. A notch above the horrid GSU, Troy, Idaho and NMSU. The win only shows we are in that range ourselves, which we already knew from our previous two wins. And the wins do not show that we have improved because there is no way of knowing whether we look better because we are better or because the competition was so much worse. Yes, Liberty could beat GSU, Troy, Idaho and NMSU.

Of course the schedule is the schedule, but of course strength of schedule matters. Heck, the experts had us favored, so ULM wasn't a great team and the win isn't a statement of any kind. So, let's not get ahead of ourselves on either side of the debate. The jury is still out. A win against either ULL or Ark St, or even a close loss, will be a reason to believe we are getting better. I hope so, and partly I expect we will show well. But even if we pull that off, taking the momentum to next year is not a given. As this past year showed.

The story from Saturday is that, despite coming off two wins and having awesome weather, and attendance was beyond disappointing. I've been at every home game, and it has been well below announced attendance figures--even half. It is the worst (actual) attendance in a decade, and the Thanksgiving weekend game will not help. Winning will help, but I worry that the people that were brought in with the transformative events (national championships and UM win) may not be drawn back with a few more wins. Need to get the AD office set so this and other things can be addressed quickly and effectively.

I'm a little ambivalent about this post. Factually, I agree with almost everything you say. (The exception being that I think it's beyond obvious that we have improved - by a lot - since earlier in the season.) But your tone is so negative that it seems like you are trying to be pessimistic, whereas I am definitely feeling optimistic about the program's direction.

I guess it comes down to this - yes, we are currently a middle-of-the-pack Sun Belt team. So what does one make of this?

-You could say "The bottom of this league is terrible, so we haven't shown we can beat good teams, and just look what Georgia Southern is doing."

-Or you could say, "In our first FBS season, with a starting 22 that includes only 2 seniors and 14 freshmen and sophomores, we're already in the middle of the pack in our new league, and we've dramatically improved since just a month ago. And by the way, we were coming off a 4-8 FCS season, and a team actually improving its record from its last FCS year to its first FBS year is virtually unheard of." This is the view I take at the moment.

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Unread post by appbio91 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:39 am

ASUPATCH wrote:I will take a small Appetizer sized serving of crow. We have 3 FBS wins with a combined record of 6-23(two of those wins are beating eachother). Yes ULM was the best of the wins and played TAMU close, a TAMU team that played Auburn well but I remind you that they had just got drubbed 59-0 by Bama the week before. But they also narrowly escaped Idaho and Troy at home. We went in the game as a 3.5 point favorite. So I am glad we finally won a close one. I will temper my expectation until we see what we have against Ark St and ULL. I don't need to see wins but a vast improvement on how we played Michigan as I feel they are comparably as good as the Wolverines this year.

Overall a good win but not the big statement game many are making it out to be. Sunbelt wise ULM has beat Idaho and Troy.......thats it folks.
I think it was a statement win for a team that three weeks ago was looking like a 1 or 2 win team. We are what we are right now.

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Unread post by App91 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:40 am

AtlAppMan wrote:App91 you are a piece of work. Based on your comments, clearly you have not paid attention to what has been happening to our football program for the last 5 yrs. You must live in an alternate reality from most of us.
Oh, please elaborate on my alternate universe. To say I have not been paying attention is an absolute joke. Maybe too much.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:42 am

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App1990 wrote:The swings in rhetoric is amazing. Lose to Liberty. The world is ending. Beat some bad teams. The world is perfect. Let's get real. First, I never suggested firing Satt. I think he has been far from solid, but also I think he deserves time. But if we want to be honest with ourselves, the jury is still out on this year and our trajectory.

Yes, ULM is a better win than GSU and Troy, which isn't saying much because both GSU and Troy are simply horrid. Both would likely be at the bottom of the SoCon (GSU is 0-2 against he SoCon since joining the Sun Belt, and Troy lost to Abilene Christian this year). I point that out because ULM had a hard time beating Troy and the equally horrid Idaho. They did play TAMU tough, which certainly deserves consideration, but that was more TAMU who suspended their QB for this game and kept things simple for the new QB. Simply put, ULM is not a great team. A middle of the pack Sun Belt team. A notch above the horrid GSU, Troy, Idaho and NMSU. The win only shows we are in that range ourselves, which we already knew from our previous two wins. And the wins do not show that we have improved because there is no way of knowing whether we look better because we are better or because the competition was so much worse. Yes, Liberty could beat GSU, Troy, Idaho and NMSU.

Of course the schedule is the schedule, but of course strength of schedule matters. Heck, the experts had us favored, so ULM wasn't a great team and the win isn't a statement of any kind. So, let's not get ahead of ourselves on either side of the debate. The jury is still out. A win against either ULL or Ark St, or even a close loss, will be a reason to believe we are getting better. I hope so, and partly I expect we will show well. But even if we pull that off, taking the momentum to next year is not a given. As this past year showed.

The story from Saturday is that, despite coming off two wins and having awesome weather, and attendance was beyond disappointing. I've been at every home game, and it has been well below announced attendance figures--even half. It is the worst (actual) attendance in a decade, and the Thanksgiving weekend game will not help. Winning will help, but I worry that the people that were brought in with the transformative events (national championships and UM win) may not be drawn back with a few more wins. Need to get the AD office set so this and other things can be addressed quickly and effectively.

I'm a little ambivalent about this post. Factually, I agree with almost everything you say. (The exception being that I think it's beyond obvious that we have improved - by a lot - since earlier in the season.) But your tone is so negative that it seems like you are trying to be pessimistic, whereas I am definitely feeling optimistic about the program's direction.

I guess it comes down to this - yes, we are currently a middle-of-the-pack Sun Belt team. So what does one make of this?

-You could say "The bottom of this league is terrible, so we haven't shown we can beat good teams, and just look what Georgia Southern is doing."

-Or you could say, "In our first FBS season, with a starting 22 that includes only 2 seniors and 14 freshmen and sophomores, we're already in the middle of the pack in our new league, and we've dramatically improved since just a month ago. And by the way, we were coming off a 4-8 FCS season, and a team actually improving its record from its last FCS year to its first FBS year is virtually unheard of." This is the view I take at the moment.
Kudos to GS but who have they played in conference that is better than what we have played to this point? The only common opponent thus far that they beat and we lost to is South Alabama. They played Texas State that is 3-2 and every other win is to the bottom feeders.

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Unread post by ASUPATCH » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:45 am

appbio91 wrote:
ASUPATCH wrote:I will take a small Appetizer sized serving of crow. We have 3 FBS wins with a combined record of 6-23(two of those wins are beating eachother). Yes ULM was the best of the wins and played TAMU close, a TAMU team that played Auburn well but I remind you that they had just got drubbed 59-0 by Bama the week before. But they also narrowly escaped Idaho and Troy at home. We went in the game as a 3.5 point favorite. So I am glad we finally won a close one. I will temper my expectation until we see what we have against Ark St and ULL. I don't need to see wins but a vast improvement on how we played Michigan as I feel they are comparably as good as the Wolverines this year.

Overall a good win but not the big statement game many are making it out to be. Sunbelt wise ULM has beat Idaho and Troy.......thats it folks.
I think it was a statement win for a team that three weeks ago was looking like a 1 or 2 win team. We are what we are right now.
In my mind for a win to be a statement you need to be an underdog and if your not you need to crush the spread. I am very happy with the win I am just of the opinion it wasn't the statement game many think it was. We will have that opportunity the next couple weeks. I feel a close loss to ULL or Ark St would be more impressive than the ULM win.
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:50 am

People that were calling for Satterfield's head 4-5 weeks ago and wanted him fired if they didn't see improvement at the end of this season are now belittling the last three wins. Yes Troy and GA St. are bad, but we beat them by more than anyone their schedules like good team should. Then we grit out a win against the program with the best defense in the conference in a game in which we were clearly inferior on special teams and lost in turnover margin.

Bottom line is this team is getting better and only 5 seniors saw the field on Saturday (one starter).

We are signing up for great schedules the next three years, verbals from high level recruits, and improving on the field. On yeah the players are going to class, helping out in the community, and discipline issues are being handled appropriately.

If you aren't excited about the direction of this program you're holding a grudge and putting your wants and needs above the programs. Great things are happening.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:52 am

ASUPATCH wrote:
appbio91 wrote:
ASUPATCH wrote:I will take a small Appetizer sized serving of crow. We have 3 FBS wins with a combined record of 6-23(two of those wins are beating eachother). Yes ULM was the best of the wins and played TAMU close, a TAMU team that played Auburn well but I remind you that they had just got drubbed 59-0 by Bama the week before. But they also narrowly escaped Idaho and Troy at home. We went in the game as a 3.5 point favorite. So I am glad we finally won a close one. I will temper my expectation until we see what we have against Ark St and ULL. I don't need to see wins but a vast improvement on how we played Michigan as I feel they are comparably as good as the Wolverines this year.

Overall a good win but not the big statement game many are making it out to be. Sunbelt wise ULM has beat Idaho and Troy.......thats it folks.
I think it was a statement win for a team that three weeks ago was looking like a 1 or 2 win team. We are what we are right now.
In my mind for a win to be a statement you need to be an underdog and if your not you need to crush the spread. I am very happy with the win I am just of the opinion it wasn't the statement game many think it was. We will have that opportunity the next couple weeks. I feel a close loss to ULL or Ark St would be more impressive than the ULM win.
You are entitled to your opinion and I can see where your coming from with your reasoning. Another way to look at was the fact that ULM is a bigger, faster and more experienced team and we performed well against. We also came back from multiple deficits and put together a game winning drive in the last few minutes of the game. So while I understand that it might not be a statement win on the scoreboard, you have to agree that it was a statement win for the character of this young team.

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Unread post by firemoose » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:14 am

clayton wrote:But, it will be a very important offseason. Because, Satterfield has proven that he is a good in-season coach. But, something's off about whatever he does with the team in the winter, spring, and summer because his teams come out flat in the first month of the season. He's got to change that.
Think any of this could be related to our off season S & C program? Guess we'll see next year once the team gets it's first full dose of Coach Mike and his winter/spring/summer programs. Just have a gut feeling it will be better than the previous S & C coach produced.

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Unread post by appbio91 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:19 am

One thing I saw Saturday that I had called for was more emotion from coaches. I saw coaches meeting kids on the sidelines smacking them on the head and cheering on great plays. I think I even saw Scott uncross his arms a time or two :D

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Unread post by MAD Doctor » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:28 am

I never called for Satt's firing, but will admit that I was very frustrated after the homecoming loss to gulp Liberty. This, on the heels of our FCS "kick our arse tour" which saw A&T and our former Smallcon rivals party on our field like it was New Year's Eve, and then this year's So.Miss debacle. I really don't recall all the "I told you so'ers" saying "Gosh, that was a great game, the coaches must have worked overtime to keep us in the game against such a high quality Big South powerhouse as Liberty."
I'd think as fans, we all have the right to overreact occasionally, and while I didn't agree with the more radical posts, I have no problem with their expressed opinions. After all, I don't hear for any calls for apologies from those who wanted a certain basketball coach fired last year.
As for our current winning streak, I echo the sentiment that you play who is on your schedule, and a win is a win. For example, look at the Pittsburgh Steelers right now. They routed Indy and Baltimore and lost to Tampa Bay and the 1-8 Jets. At the end of the day, it is as Bill Parcells says, "You are what your record says your are." The good thing about us now is that we are heading in the right direction and our record will soon tell a different story.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:36 am

Saint3333 wrote:People that were calling for Satterfield's head 4-5 weeks ago and wanted him fired if they didn't see improvement at the end of this season are now belittling the last three wins. Yes Troy and GA St. are bad, but we beat them by more than anyone their schedules like good team should. Then we grit out a win against the program with the best defense in the conference in a game in which we were clearly inferior on special teams and lost in turnover margin.

Bottom line is this team is getting better and only 5 seniors saw the field on Saturday (one starter).

We are signing up for great schedules the next three years, verbals from high level recruits, and improving on the field. On yeah the players are going to class, helping out in the community, and discipline issues are being handled appropriately.

If you aren't excited about the direction of this program you're holding a grudge and putting your wants and needs above the programs. Great things are happening.
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Unread post by App91 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:46 am

Saint3333 wrote:People that were calling for Satterfield's head 4-5 weeks ago and wanted him fired if they didn't see improvement at the end of this season are now belittling the last three wins. Yes Troy and GA St. are bad, but we beat them by more than anyone their schedules like good team should. Then we grit out a win against the program with the best defense in the conference in a game in which we were clearly inferior on special teams and lost in turnover margin.

Bottom line is this team is getting better and only 5 seniors saw the field on Saturday (one starter).

We are signing up for great schedules the next three years, verbals from high level recruits, and improving on the field. On yeah the players are going to class, helping out in the community, and discipline issues are being handled appropriately.

If you aren't excited about the direction of this program you're holding a grudge and putting your wants and needs above the programs. Great things are happening.
Saint, I think this is a pretty flippant statement. There is no denying who those last 3 are. I do not participate in groupthink. The last 3 wins are huge, considering and for only, where we were prior. Had the "people who were calling for Satt's head" seen this kind of one the field product, coaching style, changes, etc. then i venture to saty that NO ONE would have been calling for the head. I enjoy how some of those try to minimize and shout down other opinions, but there is NO denying that this is not the same product as those times and there is a myriad of reasons, not just youth growing. That may not even be the biggest reason for the change.

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AtlAppMan wrote:App91 you are a piece of work. Based on your comments, clearly you have not paid attention to what has been happening to our football program for the last 5 yrs. You must live in an alternate reality from most of us.
Oh, please elaborate on my alternate universe. To say I have not been paying attention is an absolute joke. Maybe too much.
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appvette wrote:
oldfart wrote:Great win, Im genuinely happy that you hillbillies finally seem to be getting it together. I'm actually glad we got our game out of the way early. I don't know if I'd want to play yall now. That said,good job, but yall have to take care of ULL in a couple of weeks for us. All we hear from those swamp dwellers is that we haven't played anyone... Hello? We didn't hand pick the teams we got to play. Anyway, we now get to play for the title or a share of it and it would be greatly appreciated if yall could do us a solid and beat ULL. Keep up the good work and we'll see you in Boone next year, hopefully the winner of that contest will take the SunBelt. Good luck, never forget we still hate yall. Oldfart out :D
I say we should intentionally lose to ULL to avoid the outright Stink conf championship.


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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:58 pm

App91 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:People that were calling for Satterfield's head 4-5 weeks ago and wanted him fired if they didn't see improvement at the end of this season are now belittling the last three wins. Yes Troy and GA St. are bad, but we beat them by more than anyone their schedules like good team should. Then we grit out a win against the program with the best defense in the conference in a game in which we were clearly inferior on special teams and lost in turnover margin.

Bottom line is this team is getting better and only 5 seniors saw the field on Saturday (one starter).

We are signing up for great schedules the next three years, verbals from high level recruits, and improving on the field. On yeah the players are going to class, helping out in the community, and discipline issues are being handled appropriately.

If you aren't excited about the direction of this program you're holding a grudge and putting your wants and needs above the programs. Great things are happening.
Saint, I think this is a pretty flippant statement. There is no denying who those last 3 are. I do not participate in groupthink. The last 3 wins are huge, considering and for only, where we were prior. Had the "people who were calling for Satt's head" seen this kind of one the field product, coaching style, changes, etc. then i venture to saty that NO ONE would have been calling for the head. I enjoy how some of those try to minimize and shout down other opinions, but there is NO denying that this is not the same product as those times and there is a myriad of reasons, not just youth growing. That may not even be the biggest reason for the change.
Yeah, the apology thread is a little over the top. Unfortunately, not nearly as over the top as calling for a first-time HC's job after 16 games.

Who is responsible for the improved product since the Liberty game?
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