Jerry Moore will not return

[bcoach]

Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board.

Remember...it's all coincidence that our fortunes turned around upon his arrival.

I understand what is being said but you really can't say he had anything to do with winning games. He carried through enhancements and looks like a good job but he also didn't start it. He was handed a plan that was already put in place and did a good job of supervising. If I am correct though it still isn't paid for. We just have to be honest someone else built most of his resume.

[JCline0429]

Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board.

Remember...it's all coincidence that our fortunes turned around upon his arrival.

I understand what is being said but you really can't say he had anything to do with winning games. He carried through enhancements and looks like a good job but he also didn't start it. He was handed a plan that was already put in place and did a good job of supervising. If I am correct though it still isn't paid for. We just have to be honest someone else built most of his resume.

You're right it isn't paid for yet and the ambitious fund raising campaign left a debt that is on the backs of the students.

[GreatAppSt]

I have sure wished we still had negative reputation capabilities around here these last couple of days. It could have let us know where the real pulse of this issue lies within the membership.

[appgrad]

I understand what is being said but you really can't say he had anything to do with winning games. He carried through enhancements and looks like a good job but he also didn't start it. He was handed a plan that was already put in place and did a good job of supervising. If I am correct though it still isn't paid for. We just have to be honest someone else built most of his resume.

Find me a shovel of dirt that was turned over before he got here. There were pictures and blueprints on paper - that looked vastly different than what we ended up with and didn't include building our 2nd baseball stadium 6 years because the first one was so poorly planned out. They also didn't include an indoor practice facility for the football team.

I'll refresh your memory - the current plan was unveiled Nov. 12th, 2005, with Cobb and Peacock in charge - http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?D ... ID=1542529

Just because you see renderings on a website doesn't mean the work is actually going to get done. That was the problem with the previous Athletic leadership. A lot of talk, and little action. Both the original "new" baseball stadium and Holmes Center opened a year or 2 later than scheduled.

I do think he helped us win games - not through coaching - but through giving our coaches the resources they needed to win. Again - what changed in 2005? What was the variable? Cobb was.

[AppinVA]

I understand what is being said but you really can't say he had anything to do with winning games. He carried through enhancements and looks like a good job but he also didn't start it. He was handed a plan that was already put in place and did a good job of supervising. If I am correct though it still isn't paid for. We just have to be honest someone else built most of his resume.

Find me a shovel of dirt that was turned over before he got here. There were pictures and blueprints on paper - that looked vastly different than what we ended up with and didn't include building our 2nd baseball stadium 6 years because the first one was so poorly planned out. They also didn't include an indoor practice facility for the football team.

I'll refresh your memory - the current plan was unveiled Nov. 12th, 2005, with Cobb and Peacock in charge - http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?D ... ID=1542529

Just because you see renderings on a website doesn't mean the work is actually going to get done. That was the problem with the previous Athletic leadership. A lot of talk, and little action. Both the original "new" baseball stadium and Holmes Center opened a year or 2 later than scheduled.

I do think he helped us win games - not through coaching - but through giving our coaches the resources they needed to win. Again - what changed in 2005? What was the variable? Cobb was.

I couldn't say it any better, so I won't.

So, yeah. What appgrad said.

[App Band]

For me, it's not a matter of whether or not "it was time" for Coach Moore to go. It's not about moving up or over or whatever you want to call this pending move. It's the TIMING of this "falling ax" that bothers me so much. Contract or no contract -- "gentlemen's agreement" or whatever did or did not transpire between all parties involved at whatever time it did or did not take place---couldn't this have waited until the sting of that loss had eased off a bit? WHY punch the players and fans in the stomach with this devastating turn of events IMMEDIATELY after that heartbreaking game? Surely there was a better way to do this, not only out of respect for Coach but taking into consideration that these young men were still feeling a ton of hurt and devastation.

I believe that COMPASSION, SENSITIVITY and RESPECT should have been the strongest voices here.

[GlassOnion]

For me, it's not a matter of whether or not "it was time" for Coach Moore to go. It's not about moving up or over or whatever you want to call this pending move. It's the TIMING of this "falling ax" that bothers me so much. Contract or no contract -- "gentlemen's agreement" or whatever did or did not transpire between all parties involved at whatever time it did or did not take place---couldn't this have waited until the sting of that loss had eased off a bit? WHY punch the players and fans in the stomach with this devastating turn of events IMMEDIATELY after that heartbreaking game? Surely there was a better way to do this, not only out of respect for Coach but taking into consideration that these young men were still feeling a ton of hurt and devastation.

I believe that COMPASSION, SENSITIVITY and RESPECT should have been the strongest voices here.

What is this gut punch you speak of? I for one, saw a gleaming ray of hope.

[vegattk]

For me, it's not a matter of whether or not "it was time" for Coach Moore to go. It's not about moving up or over or whatever you want to call this pending move. It's the TIMING of this "falling ax" that bothers me so much. Contract or no contract -- "gentlemen's agreement" or whatever did or did not transpire between all parties involved at whatever time it did or did not take place---couldn't this have waited until the sting of that loss had eased off a bit? WHY punch the players and fans in the stomach with this devastating turn of events IMMEDIATELY after that heartbreaking game? Surely there was a better way to do this, not only out of respect for Coach but taking into consideration that these young men were still feeling a ton of hurt and devastation.

I believe that COMPASSION, SENSITIVITY and RESPECT should have been the strongest voices here.

I completely agree... Had Cobb handled this with better class, timing, and communication we wouldn't be having this conversation right now...

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

[GlassOnion]

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

Actually, Id have to say it has more to do with the "Cobb should be ashamed, Jerry Moore walks on water" folks that have started squeezing out of the wormholes lately and bashing Cobb and Peacock's ethics as their first post anywhere.

[appgrad]

What communication didn't he have? What time could he have done this to make sure the St. Jerry crowd would be okay with it?

Utlimately - as long as Jerry Moore holds to his "I wanted to coach one more year" statement, none of them ever would've been satisfied with how it was handled.

We are in the middle of recruiting season - this decision needed to be made ASAP so we could have a new Head Coach in place ASAP. It may not be comfortable, but it's how it needed to be.

[vegattk]

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

Actually, Id have to say it has more to do with the "Cobb should be ashamed, Jerry Moore walks on water" folks that have started squeezing out of the wormholes lately and bashing Cobb and Peacock's ethics as their first post anywhere.

Onion, I hope you're not talking about me. I've been an MMB member a long time and have always defended both Moore AND Cobb until this disagreement.

Cobb golden gleam just hasn't been too shiny in a while...

[GlassOnion]

Onion, I hope you're not talking about me. I've been an MMB member a long time and have always defended both Moore AND Cobb until this disagreement.

Cobb golden gleam just hasn't been too shiny in a while...

No no. Not you. Im talking about the people whose first post is ripping Cobb and Peacock personally, or that you never heard from until now type thing.

Whether anyone agrees with the decision or not, Cobb and Peacock are not bad men, and Im tired of the personal crap directed at them. Jerry Moore's son and all that went with it was an even bigger scandal imo, and Cobb actually helped to diffuse the situation, and in return he gets attacked.

[vegattk]

Onion, I hope you're not talking about me. I've been an MMB member a long time and have always defended both Moore AND Cobb until this disagreement.

Cobb golden gleam just hasn't been too shiny in a while...

No no. Not you. Im talking about the people whose first post is ripping Cobb and Peacock personally, or that you never heard from until now type thing.

Whether anyone agrees with the decision or not, Cobb and Peacock are not bad men, and Im tired of the personal crap directed at them. Jerry Moore's son and all that went with it was an even bigger scandal imo, and Cobb actually helped to diffuse the situation, and in return he gets attacked.

People shouldn't attack Cobb personally... but I think his communication skills behind all of this are severely lacking. I think we can all agree that Moore had "heard/known" about this from the start of the season and either had a senior moment or simply changed his mind at the last minute (after all, if you love your job it's hard to walk away from it).

The problem isn't why... but how...

To do it on Sunday morning, the day after the App world experienced that THUMP of the football being blocked wasn't a good idea..

[appgrad]

I think it had to be done as soon as could be done - we probably have to have the vacancy posted for 7 days, and we have recruiting commitments hanging in the balance. If we knew this change was going to be made, we needed to be able to have the new coach in place ASAP.

[AppinVA]

Onion, I hope you're not talking about me. I've been an MMB member a long time and have always defended both Moore AND Cobb until this disagreement.

Cobb golden gleam just hasn't been too shiny in a while...

No no. Not you. Im talking about the people whose first post is ripping Cobb and Peacock personally, or that you never heard from until now type thing.

Whether anyone agrees with the decision or not, Cobb and Peacock are not bad men, and Im tired of the personal crap directed at them. Jerry Moore's son and all that went with it was an even bigger scandal imo, and Cobb actually helped to diffuse the situation, and in return he gets attacked.

People shouldn't attack Cobb personally... but I think his communication skills behind all of this are severely lacking. I think we can all agree that Moore had "heard/known" about this from the start of the season and either had a senior moment or simply changed his mind at the last minute (after all, if you love your job it's hard to walk away from it).

The problem isn't why... but how...

To do it on Sunday morning, the day after the App world experienced that THUMP of the football being blocked wasn't a good idea..

Moore didn't forget. He wanted one more year and thought his best shot at getting it would be to win it in the court of public opinion. Maybe he thought that was his best play, and if Cobb chose to let it sit a few days, maybe it would've been. He called Cobb's bluff, and it turned out Cobb had an inside straight.

Had JM been more cryptic in the postgame press conference, things would've likely been handled more cleanly. All he had to say was: "Look, we just lost in the most painful way we can. I'm not in a position to think about next year at the moment. Honestly, the only thing I'm thinking about right now, is getting back to the locker room to console my men. I will say this is not the way you would want to go out."

Leave it at that, and his exit is gracious, or maybe there's a chance, albeit a slim one, that he can squeeze out one more year. However, when he said "I haven’t thought about anything but coming back,” Moore said. “I know I’d like to coach next year. I know I’d like to coach one more year. I think at this point in my career I have to take it one year at a time. I don’t want anything except that I want this program back. I’ve still got an energy level that I look forward to recruiting, and a work ethic. I don’t put any less hours in today than I did 15 or 20 years ago, and I think my intensity around players is still there," Cobb saw it as something he had to get out in front of. I think he overreacted, since JM was headed to New York, and nobody up there really gives two shakes about ASU, but he no longer felt he could trust JM to hold to the agreement.

[GlassOnion]

This isnt going away anytime soon. Keith Jarrett's article today says theyve requested the communications between Cobb, Moore and Peacock using the Freedom of Information Act. Guess we'll probably see why exactly Cobb wanted JM to step down. This has more potential to hurt JM's image than Cobbs I think. I'd imagine Cobb came to the meeting with reasons why JM should step down.

[sonsofyosef]

OK, Coach Moore has said that he doesn’t know the reasoning behind the decision (to end his tenure as head coach), and that he is bothered by that.

Just what do you all think the reasoning IS?

The rumor that Coach is anti-FBS (I do not recall a public statement of his to that effect)?
The fact that in the past he hired less-than-competent assistant coaches, including his son?
Simply the fact that he hired his son and that doing that looked like nepotism?
The perception by Peacock and Cobb that he is in mental decline?

Oh yeah, I have seen some ask "why the timing...why did Peacock and Cobb need to do this on the morning after a tough loss". Others have answered, "because of recruiting, you need to have a new head coach in place as soon as possible"
Hypothetically, then, if we had won the Illinois State game, which was a very real possibility, what then would Cobb have done? Extended further, what if we had kept winning all the way to Frisco?

[appgrad]

OK, Coach Moore has said that he doesn’t know the reasoning behind the decision (to end his tenure as head coach), and that he is bothered by that.

Just what do you all think the reasoning IS?

The rumor that Coach is anti-FBS (I do not recall a public statement of his to that effect)?
The fact that in the past he hired less-than-competent assistant coaches, including his son?
Simply the fact that he hired his son and that doing that looked like nepotism?
The perception by Peacock and Cobb that he is in mental decline? RT

Oh yeah, I have seen some ask "why the timing...why did Peacock and Cobb need to do this on the morning after a tough loss". Others have answered, "because of recruiting, you need to have a new head coach in place as soon as possible"
Hypothetically, then, if we had won the Illinois State game, which was a very real possibility, what then
would Cobb have done? Extended further, what if we had kept winning all the way to Frisco?

We didn't, and we weren't going to. This team had maybe one win in it and would then go up to EWU and lose. Did you watch the same team I did all year?

[ASUPATCH]

You left out one important piece he is 73 years old. At some point no matter how bad it hurts you just have to move on. This one more year one more year talk by Moore make it sound like he thought he should get one year contracts until he decided to go. How does that playout in a recruits living room. "Well im in a one year contract dont know if Ill coach your kid past his redshirt year.....oh yeah come to Boone." I would have much preferred him to ask for a 3-4 year extension. That would show he is really still in it.

[JCline0429]

OK, Coach Moore has said that he doesn’t know the reasoning behind the decision (to end his tenure as head coach), and that he is bothered by that.

Just what do you all think the reasoning IS?

The rumor that Coach is anti-FBS (I do not recall a public statement of his to that effect)?
The fact that in the past he hired less-than-competent assistant coaches, including his son?
Simply the fact that he hired his son and that doing that looked like nepotism?
The perception by Peacock and Cobb that he is in mental decline? RT

Oh yeah, I have seen some ask "why the timing...why did Peacock and Cobb need to do this on the morning after a tough loss". Others have answered, "because of recruiting, you need to have a new head coach in place as soon as possible"
Hypothetically, then, if we had won the Illinois State game, which was a very real possibility, what then
would Cobb have done? Extended further, what if we had kept winning all the way to Frisco?

We didn't, and we weren't going to. This team had maybe one win in it and would then go up to EWU and lose. Did you watch the same team I did all year?

I doubt we could have made it to Frisco. but we showed signs of beating Ilinois State if our defense had not given up the one play TD. In fact, we would have. We got off to a slow start in part to being off for a couple weeks. This was not the same team from the beginning of the year.