Jerry Moore will not return

[bcoach]

I understand what is being said but you really can't say he had anything to do with winning games. He carried through enhancements and looks like a good job but he also didn't start it. He was handed a plan that was already put in place and did a good job of supervising. If I am correct though it still isn't paid for. We just have to be honest someone else built most of his resume.

Find me a shovel of dirt that was turned over before he got here. There were pictures and blueprints on paper - that looked vastly different than what we ended up with and didn't include building our 2nd baseball stadium 6 years because the first one was so poorly planned out. They also didn't include an indoor practice facility for the football team.

I'll refresh your memory - the current plan was unveiled Nov. 12th, 2005, with Cobb and Peacock in charge - http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?D ... ID=1542529

Just because you see renderings on a website doesn't mean the work is actually going to get done. That was the problem with the previous Athletic leadership. A lot of talk, and little action. Both the original "new" baseball stadium and Holmes Center opened a year or 2 later than scheduled.

I do think he helped us win games - not through coaching - but through giving our coaches the resources they needed to win. Again - what changed in 2005? What was the variable? Cobb was.

I said he did manage it through no argument. He didn't start it, he didn't have the vision but he did a good job seeing it through. Past AD would not have done as good a job. No argument but it was all started way before him. That's all. As far as winning games when did we winn our firts Nat Champ and when did we open the new expansion? What did we have when those players were recruited? Sorry but if you want to give him credit for on the field you have to start a little after the first championship and come all the way up to now. I don't think you want that argument.

[MountainMan]

Keith Jarrett's article today says theyve requested the communications between Cobb, Moore and Peacock using the Freedom of Information Act.

I had hoped this would not happen. Don't know how much of this will be subject to FIA, but no one will "win" as a result of this, and the loser is likely to be ASU.

[sonsofyosef]

You left out one important piece he is 73 years old. At some point no matter how bad it hurts you just have to move on. This one more year one more year talk by Moore make it sound like he thought he should get one year contracts until he decided to go. How does that playout in a recruits living room. "Well im in a one year contract dont know if Ill coach your kid past his redshirt year.....oh yeah come to Boone." I would have much preferred him to ask for a 3-4 year extension. That would show he is really still in it.

I see your point. But recruits' parents (who are often part of the decision-making process) might well be put off by the appearance that Coach Moore is being put out to pasture because of his age (Coach is a year older than Raquel Welch BTW), especially if they are roughly 10 years younger (Peacock's age).

[appgrad]

Just going to guess we aren't recruiting a lot of 17 and 18 year olds with 63 year old parents. I know people are having kids later, but generally not that late.

I do agree that Moore's "Just one more year" thing had the hints of being Favre'ish in its indecision...how many "just one more years" were we going to get?

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

For me, it's not a matter of whether or not "it was time" for Coach Moore to go. It's not about moving up or over or whatever you want to call this pending move. It's the TIMING of this "falling ax" that bothers me so much. Contract or no contract -- "gentlemen's agreement" or whatever did or did not transpire between all parties involved at whatever time it did or did not take place---couldn't this have waited until the sting of that loss had eased off a bit? WHY punch the players and fans in the stomach with this devastating turn of events IMMEDIATELY after that heartbreaking game? Surely there was a better way to do this, not only out of respect for Coach but taking into consideration that these young men were still feeling a ton of hurt and devastation.

I believe that COMPASSION, SENSITIVITY and RESPECT should have been the strongest voices here.

I completely agree... Had Cobb handled this with better class, timing, and communication we wouldn't be having this conversation right now...

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

ex-effing-actly! nail meat head of hammer. this is the crux of the problem...the body isn't even cold and we're already asking for the family to pay the funeral home!

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

Actually, Id have to say it has more to do with the "Cobb should be ashamed, Jerry Moore walks on water" folks that have started squeezing out of the wormholes lately and bashing Cobb and Peacock's ethics as their first post anywhere.

do you kick puppies in your spare time???

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

Onion, I hope you're not talking about me. I've been an MMB member a long time and have always defended both Moore AND Cobb until this disagreement.

Cobb golden gleam just hasn't been too shiny in a while...

No no. Not you. Im talking about the people whose first post is ripping Cobb and Peacock personally, or that you never heard from until now type thing.

Whether anyone agrees with the decision or not, Cobb and Peacock are not bad men, and Im tired of the personal crap directed at them. Jerry Moore's son and all that went with it was an even bigger scandal imo, and Cobb actually helped to diffuse the situation, and in return he gets attacked.

jerry moore and chris moore are two different issues imop...but now you mention nepotism and what have you, wasn't there an issue with the ad's wife and the soccer team? i never said negative stuff about cobb...in fact, i even sent cobb an atta-boy for the satterfield hiring. we're all biased to some extent but i can admit when a guy does a good job too.

[APPSTATE-H3]

FIRE COBB

[APPSTATE-H3]

FIRE COBB

[ASUPATCH]

FIRE COBB

Well thought out post with some deep meaningful analysis. You bring up alot a great points here I didn't yet think of. I think I need to change my stance after reading such a thought filled arguement.

[wataugan03]

[/quote]I do think he helped us win games - not through coaching - but through giving our coaches the resources they needed to win. Again - what changed in 2005? What was the variable? Cobb was.[/quote]

What changed was that from 2000-2004 the football staff recruited the right group of players and developed those players well. Moore made some good hires to the staff and also moved some of the guys on his staff to positions where they flourished like Satterfield and Elliot. What else changed? The stars aligned and we drew the right opponents and caught some decent luck, which is often the difference between the national champion and some of the other top contenders.

In 2009 if an important player hadn't run over his foot with a lawnmower, maybe we beat ECU and get a high enough seed to avoid playing a huge Montana team in the frigid cold. Or maybe in 2009 if Quick had caught that pass or if we had ran another play we would've won the game and the final, or maybe if Montana had fallen in front of us. We can all repeat the little bits of better fortune that might have given us that title, but we forget the bits of luck that helped us in 05-07. Cobb didn't have anything to do with the stars aligning and he didn't have anything to do with the foundation that was laid in the prior years.

Let's evaluate Cobb on the things we know he's done or at least played a role in. There's been the good: implementation of facility expansion and positive changes to the original plan, women's basketball coach hiring, baseball coach hiring, better game-day atmosphere, increased budget, preparation for move to FBS. And the bad: Mark Harrill and everything that's happened with men's basketball, increased debt and student athletic fees, inability so far to find a viable FBS conference.

[APPSTATE-H3]

He did come from State and you see what they are going through there. The only difference is their delusional fans wanted to get rid of their coach. Of course we have some delusional fans as well. Cobb was nothing before he came to APP and we see how we'll he has done at bringing our basketball team up to par. Lets just hope that he dose not destroy what Moore has spent building up.

[sonsofyosef]

I do think he helped us win games - not through coaching - but through giving our coaches the resources they needed to win. Again - what changed in 2005? What was the variable? Cobb was.[/quote]

What changed was that from 2000-2004 the football staff recruited the right group of players and developed those players well. Moore made some good hires to the staff and also moved some of the guys on his staff to positions where they flourished like Satterfield and Elliot. What else changed? The stars aligned and we drew the right opponents and caught some decent luck, which is often the difference between the national champion and some of the other top contenders.

In 2009 if an important player hadn't run over his foot with a lawnmower, maybe we beat ECU and get a high enough seed to avoid playing a huge Montana team in the frigid cold. Or maybe in 2009 if Quick had caught that pass or if we had ran another play we would've won the game and the final, or maybe if Montana had fallen in front of us. We can all repeat the little bits of better fortune that might have given us that title, but we forget the bits of luck that helped us in 05-07. Cobb didn't have anything to do with the stars aligning and he didn't have anything to do with the foundation that was laid in the prior years.

Let's evaluate Cobb on the things we know he's done or at least played a role in. There's been the good: implementation of facility expansion and positive changes to the original plan, women's basketball coach hiring, baseball coach hiring, better game-day atmosphere, increased budget, preparation for move to FBS. And the bad: Mark Harrill and everything that's happened with men's basketball, increased debt and student athletic fees, inability so far to find a viable FBS conference.[/quote]

Chris Pollard took over as baseball coach in the year 1 BC (Before Cobb) on July 20, 2004.

[PhillyApp1]

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

Actually, Id have to say it has more to do with the "Cobb should be ashamed, Jerry Moore walks on water" folks that have started squeezing out of the wormholes lately and bashing Cobb and Peacock's ethics as their first post anywhere.

do you kick puppies in your spare time???

I do ...your a p***** !....quit baiting a-hole library deck tailgater

[PhillyApp1]

Onion, I hope you're not talking about me. I've been an MMB member a long time and have always defended both Moore AND Cobb until this disagreement.

Cobb golden gleam just hasn't been too shiny in a while...

No no. Not you. Im talking about the people whose first post is ripping Cobb and Peacock personally, or that you never heard from until now type thing.

Whether anyone agrees with the decision or not, Cobb and Peacock are not bad men, and Im tired of the personal crap directed at them. Jerry Moore's son and all that went with it was an even bigger scandal imo, and Cobb actually helped to diffuse the situation, and in return he gets attacked.

jerry moore and chris moore are two different issues imop...but now you mention nepotism and what have you, wasn't there an issue with the ad's wife and the soccer team? i never said negative stuff about cobb...in fact, i even sent cobb an atta-boy for the satterfield hiring. we're all biased to some extent but i can admit when a guy does a good job too.

Baiter !! JM and CM are the same issue Nepotism is one of many issues besides the boss decides when employees terms end....JM had a good offer to leave with $$$ and dignity and decided his personal want was moore important than the APP Football fans thus causing this UGLY baiting by you my PBR drinking, bush trimming, Moore lover

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

Seems to me like a lot of "Fire Moore" folks have come out of the woodshed lately to gloat about it... It's Sad really...

Actually, Id have to say it has more to do with the "Cobb should be ashamed, Jerry Moore walks on water" folks that have started squeezing out of the wormholes lately and bashing Cobb and Peacock's ethics as their first post anywhere.

do you kick puppies in your spare time???

I do ...your a pussy !....quit baiting a-hole library deck tailgater

it's "you're and not "your"...didn't they teach you anything at parochial school besides flirting with the old nuns?

[PhillyApp1]

PBR...bring it on.......JM need to see the light that was given to him last year.....JM's need to coach like Joe-Pa is hurting the fans he built .... AND TO BE VERY CLEAR JEERY MOORE IS A GOOD MAN BUT A MAN NON THE LESS. HE IS NO BETTER THAN I AM (OR YOU PBR. that was hard to write)

Move on like your socialist leader in DC

How is this for baiting

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

baiting??? i'm not baiting...now baiting would be me saying something like i heard philly app is really a steelers and yankees fan. thats just the rumor mind you...

[PhillyApp1]

baiting??? i'm not baiting...now baiting would be me saying something like i heard philly app is really a steelers and yankees fan. thats just the rumor mind you...

There you go again being half right///i do like the Steelers when they don't play the IGGLES

Try some LOVE for MOORE and NO HATE for CC
Its a friggin business...move on

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

and ron jaworski wears ladies under garments from time to time...and that song 'philadelphia freedom' sucks!