Dowell Loggains

[Bootsy]

Sadly, Hersey’s is not nearly the quality BBQ product it once was.

[goapps93]

Sadly, Hersey’s is not nearly the quality BBQ product it once was.

I have found that to be true about most of the BBQ I used to love. A lot is not as good as I remember. I’m not sure if it’s me or the BBQ. Maybe some of both.

[DenverOfTheEast]

MY #1 GOAL IS TO FIND OUT DEEP DOWN OFF THE RECORD WHAT SHAWN ELLOITT THINKS OF HIM AND THIS HIRE FOR HIS ALMA MATER.

that will tell us all we need to know.

So doing my research -- Apparently they aren't sad to see DLO go.

#1 His staff hires will paint a BIG picture of the future. I want to see how many experienced South Carolina coaches come to Boone, NOT GA's and analyst types.

[diehardapp18]

Why does our fanbase care so much about barbecue man

[Saint3333]

MY #1 GOAL IS TO FIND OUT DEEP DOWN OFF THE RECORD WHAT SHAWN ELLOITT THINKS OF HIM AND THIS HIRE FOR HIS ALMA MATER.

that will tell us all we need to know.

So doing my research -- Apparently they aren't sad to see DLO go.

#1 His staff hires will paint a BIG picture of the future. I want to see how many experienced South Carolina coaches come to Boone, NOT GA's and analyst types.

No one moves laterally from an SEC school to a G5 program, that standard is ill-placed. If we hire a position coach from the SEC an DC or OC that will also be met with angst. I'd love to see your criteria for a successful hire by position. Otherwise I believe I can predict the future and you'll cut down every assistant hired.

i.e. - OC - former OC experience necessary from an FCS or higher program.

[BallantyneApp]

MY #1 GOAL IS TO FIND OUT DEEP DOWN OFF THE RECORD WHAT SHAWN ELLOITT THINKS OF HIM AND THIS HIRE FOR HIS ALMA MATER.

that will tell us all we need to know.

So doing my research -- Apparently they aren't sad to see DLO go.

#1 His staff hires will paint a BIG picture of the future. I want to see how many experienced South Carolina coaches come to Boone, NOT GA's and analyst types.

Who’s the “they”?

[ASUFan4863]

It’s the classic, they aren’t with us anymore so why be for them logic. Most of the transfers who have left, our thoughts have been “replaceable” or “oh well they underperformed”. That same logic can be applied to South Carolina fans and Loggains. I don’t really care what their opinion is to be honest.

[AppStFan1]

MY #1 GOAL IS TO FIND OUT DEEP DOWN OFF THE RECORD WHAT SHAWN ELLOITT THINKS OF HIM AND THIS HIRE FOR HIS ALMA MATER.

that will tell us all we need to know.

So doing my research -- Apparently they aren't sad to see DLO go.

#1 His staff hires will paint a BIG picture of the future. I want to see how many experienced South Carolina coaches come to Boone, NOT GA's and analyst types.

Your first sentence could be completely made up. You need to give this guy a chance instead of trying to create a narrative. I know several South Carolina people who are actually sad he left and wish him well. Beamer wanted to keep him and they were very happy with how Sellers progressed and how the offense improved over the year.

[AppStFan1]

It’s the classic, they aren’t with us anymore so why be for them logic. Most of the transfers who have left, our thoughts have been “replaceable” or “oh well they underperformed”. That same logic can be applied to South Carolina fans and Loggains. I don’t really care what their opinion is to be honest.

This is true. Not everyone who leaves is someone that hurts to lose but there are always some that leave a gap to replace. I don't know any informed SC fans who are glad he is gone. They were all happy with what he did with Sellers an the offense as the year progressed.

[AppSt94]

MY #1 GOAL IS TO FIND OUT DEEP DOWN OFF THE RECORD WHAT SHAWN ELLOITT THINKS OF HIM AND THIS HIRE FOR HIS ALMA MATER.

that will tell us all we need to know.

So doing my research -- Apparently they aren't sad to see DLO go.

#1 His staff hires will paint a BIG picture of the future. I want to see how many experienced South Carolina coaches come to Boone, NOT GA's and analyst types.

If you focus on the negative, that’s what you will see.

[ASU843]

DOTE is looking for anything negative he can find. Thats his style. There are a few others spewing their poison on here.

[CharlotteApp05]

Read my posts on the other threads.....

DOTE comes across very harsh on here, even toxic sometimes, but he had a very close relationship with Clark and I understand it now a little better.

There is generally a lot of passion behind his posts...He definitely went off the deep end after Wyoming last year, but most of the time at least some of what he says has validity. You just have to find it.

[AppStFan1]

DOTE is looking for anything negative he can find. Thats his style. There are a few others spewing their poison on here.

I was not sure what to expect with Shawn but the players wanted him and I like Shawn so I was supportive. He was sticking up for Shawn after 4 years and I think he and others who did not want a change owe it the new coach and App State to give him a chance. A lot of us felt a change was needed but I notice some people don't care about success unless it is done the exact way they want it to.

[AppStFan1]

Read my posts on the other threads.....

DOTE comes across very harsh on here, even toxic sometimes, but he had a very close relationship with Clark and I understand it now a little better.

There is generally a lot of passion behind his posts...He definitely went off the deep end after Wyoming last year, but most of the time at least some of what he says has validity. You just have to find it.

His comments about DL right now are pointless and don't matter because there is no fact to it. If there are issues that DL has I will join him in being critical. He does have a point in some of what he says for sure. The two things he has said that I found the most crazy are defending Laney and not admitting that Shawn was taking the program down hill in our on field product. I mean for goodness sakes Laney is the one who said many times that we could never be I-A and would always be a small time regional brand/program. There are some now who say we can't be a champion again or at least not be a SBC contender regularly and people never will with a negative attitude. I am one who says tell me the roadblocks and now let's find a way to get around them. Some people just want to settle and be a big fish in a small pond or have accept mediocrity.

[spacemonkey]

I just want an offense that is "Fun to watch". I hope half way through the first half Loggains comes out to midfield with a 24 point lead, holds his hands high in the air and says "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED". After running, RPO, A flea flicker, a reverse, and a bootleg for a touchdown.

[spacemonkey]

That would be a 28 point lead at half. Sorry!!!!!

[AppSt94]

Read my posts on the other threads.....

DOTE comes across very harsh on here, even toxic sometimes, but he had a very close relationship with Clark and I understand it now a little better.

There is generally a lot of passion behind his posts...He definitely went off the deep end after Wyoming last year, but most of the time at least some of what he says has validity. You just have to find it.

His comments about DL right now are pointless and don't matter because there is no fact to it. If there are issues that DL has I will join him in being critical. He does have a point in some of what he says for sure. The two things he has said that I found the most crazy are defending Laney and not admitting that Shawn was taking the program down hill in our on field product. I mean for goodness sakes Laney is the one who said many times that we could never be I-A and would always be a small time regional brand/program. There are some now who say we can't be a champion again or at least not be a SBC contender regularly and people never will with a negative attitude. I am one who says tell me the roadblocks and now let's find a way to get around them. Some people just want to settle and be a big fish in a small pond or have accept mediocrity.

The comment about being a contender on a regular basis isn’t negative. It’s a real possibility in today’s landscape. The only thing that seems consistent is the roster turnover every year. It’s hard to expect consistency year in and year out any more with 40% + turnover. I’m rooting for CDL and he has my support. But my concerns for the trajectory of this program and its ability to stay at or near the top are still the same ones that I had for the last staff. We will see.

[appfanjj]

That would be a 28 point lead at half. Sorry!!!!!

Could be 24.

[AppStFan1]

Read my posts on the other threads.....

DOTE comes across very harsh on here, even toxic sometimes, but he had a very close relationship with Clark and I understand it now a little better.

There is generally a lot of passion behind his posts...He definitely went off the deep end after Wyoming last year, but most of the time at least some of what he says has validity. You just have to find it.

His comments about DL right now are pointless and don't matter because there is no fact to it. If there are issues that DL has I will join him in being critical. He does have a point in some of what he says for sure. The two things he has said that I found the most crazy are defending Laney and not admitting that Shawn was taking the program down hill in our on field product. I mean for goodness sakes Laney is the one who said many times that we could never be I-A and would always be a small time regional brand/program. There are some now who say we can't be a champion again or at least not be a SBC contender regularly and people never will with a negative attitude. I am one who says tell me the roadblocks and now let's find a way to get around them. Some people just want to settle and be a big fish in a small pond or have accept mediocrity.

The comment about being a contender on a regular basis isn’t negative. It’s a real possibility in today’s landscape. The only thing that seems consistent is the roster turnover every year. It’s hard to expect consistency year in and year out any more with 40% + turnover. I’m rooting for CDL and he has my support. But my concerns for the trajectory of this program and its ability to stay at or near the top are still the same ones that I had for the last staff. We will see.

It has always been really hard to do but there are schools who will do it in this environment. Those schools are the ones who make good hires, fully embrace the changes, and do a good job of evaluating players even more if they don't have huge money. Schools like UNC will just throw money at problems but that is no guarantee and will just have mad boosters who will feel their money is wasted. I don't think any of us expect to win the SBC every single year but you just don't want to see a gradual decline in the product. There will be better seasons than others but you just don't want to feel like you have gone from a contender to a bottom of the basement team with no real sign of getting better either.

[AppSt94]

Read my posts on the other threads.....

DOTE comes across very harsh on here, even toxic sometimes, but he had a very close relationship with Clark and I understand it now a little better.

There is generally a lot of passion behind his posts...He definitely went off the deep end after Wyoming last year, but most of the time at least some of what he says has validity. You just have to find it.

His comments about DL right now are pointless and don't matter because there is no fact to it. If there are issues that DL has I will join him in being critical. He does have a point in some of what he says for sure. The two things he has said that I found the most crazy are defending Laney and not admitting that Shawn was taking the program down hill in our on field product. I mean for goodness sakes Laney is the one who said many times that we could never be I-A and would always be a small time regional brand/program. There are some now who say we can't be a champion again or at least not be a SBC contender regularly and people never will with a negative attitude. I am one who says tell me the roadblocks and now let's find a way to get around them. Some people just want to settle and be a big fish in a small pond or have accept mediocrity.

The comment about being a contender on a regular basis isn’t negative. It’s a real possibility in today’s landscape. The only thing that seems consistent is the roster turnover every year. It’s hard to expect consistency year in and year out any more with 40% + turnover. I’m rooting for CDL and he has my support. But my concerns for the trajectory of this program and its ability to stay at or near the top are still the same ones that I had for the last staff. We will see.

It has always been really hard to do but there are schools who will do it in this environment. Those schools are the ones who make good hires, fully embrace the changes, and do a good job of evaluating players even more if they don't have huge money. Schools like UNC will just throw money at problems but that is no guarantee and will just have mad boosters who will feel their money is wasted. I don't think any of us expect to win the SBC every single year but you just don't want to see a gradual decline in the product. There will be better seasons than others but you just don't want to feel like you have gone from a contender to a bottom of the basement team with no real sign of getting better either.

Let’s circle back to this in say 4 or 5 years and see what it looks like. I’m not looking to be right, just interested to see what the overall winning percentages of the top 10 or so G5s look like.

As to the last comment, I understand the sentiment but not meeting “expectations” isn’t the same as the basement.