Possible transfer situations

[AppStateNews]

This response here is what others are talking about. “Actual knowledge” is so condescending and unnecessary. It’s a message board, not journalism.

Guess you don't see that "some" word. That means some, not all. How is that condescending? Not my fault if you read too much into it. As you say, it's a message board, not journalism. I can only type. You take that as you will.

But again, there are ways to express concern without being a negative Nancy about everything. It's not the expression of concern that makes some (again, not all) a "moron." It's the inability to understand there is more than one solution.

Okay, please, and I do mean please, explain Clark's extension.

It's simple. He was offered a P5 job. He never even flirted with it, but the extension was to keep other offers away. The extension also lowered our buy out. The BOT was only on board with the extension if it lowered our buy out. I can't remember exact details or dollar amounts though.

Also, he fixed a lot of academic issues. A lot of stars didn't feel the need to be students. Clark wasn't about that. Other off field issues were also addressed (minor things).

He (and Watts) also made tremendous headway on balancing the classes. This season is doing even more work in that regard. Between Drink's inability to recruit and the super senior years, the classes were extremely out of whack. Successful G5 programs can't compete with unbalanced classes (although, that's a little different now with the transfer portal).

That's extremely fair and I appreciate your insight. But do you get the I am worried that we will go 7-5(6) and we keep going like this because we made a bowl game?

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

[appgrad95&97]

Guess you don't see that "some" word. That means some, not all. How is that condescending? Not my fault if you read too much into it. As you say, it's a message board, not journalism. I can only type. You take that as you will.

But again, there are ways to express concern without being a negative Nancy about everything. It's not the expression of concern that makes some (again, not all) a "moron." It's the inability to understand there is more than one solution.

Okay, please, and I do mean please, explain Clark's extension.

It's simple. He was offered a P5 job. He never even flirted with it, but the extension was to keep other offers away. The extension also lowered our buy out. The BOT was only on board with the extension if it lowered our buy out. I can't remember exact details or dollar amounts though.

Also, he fixed a lot of academic issues. A lot of stars didn't feel the need to be students. Clark wasn't about that. Other off field issues were also addressed (minor things).

He (and Watts) also made tremendous headway on balancing the classes. This season is doing even more work in that regard. Between Drink's inability to recruit and the super senior years, the classes were extremely out of whack. Successful G5 programs can't compete with unbalanced classes (although, that's a little different now with the transfer portal).

That's extremely fair and I appreciate your insight. But do you get the I am worried that we will go 7-5(6) and we keep going like this because we made a bowl game?

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

You obviously know what you're talking about and I appreciate your insight. But this is where you loose me: a 2000 Ford makes a bowl game. Freaking UConn did. Drink was here one year. Its time to stop making excuses. Its not like he was here as long as Jason Capel. So Drink did a poor job recruiting for a year, let academics and character go for a year, three years later man, three years later, and 2023 should be the rebuilding year.

[ASUFan4863]

Everything got kicked down the road with COVID and transfer portal. A season like this was bound to happen. We still beat A&M and suffered 5 one-score defeats in a season like that.

[kornegaylw]

Everything got kicked down the road with COVID and transfer portal. A season like this was bound to happen. We still beat A&M and suffered 5 one-score defeats in a season like that.

Careful...that type of glass half full thinking will get certain people on this board very upset...

[AppStateNews]

Okay, please, and I do mean please, explain Clark's extension.

It's simple. He was offered a P5 job. He never even flirted with it, but the extension was to keep other offers away. The extension also lowered our buy out. The BOT was only on board with the extension if it lowered our buy out. I can't remember exact details or dollar amounts though.

Also, he fixed a lot of academic issues. A lot of stars didn't feel the need to be students. Clark wasn't about that. Other off field issues were also addressed (minor things).

He (and Watts) also made tremendous headway on balancing the classes. This season is doing even more work in that regard. Between Drink's inability to recruit and the super senior years, the classes were extremely out of whack. Successful G5 programs can't compete with unbalanced classes (although, that's a little different now with the transfer portal).

That's extremely fair and I appreciate your insight. But do you get the I am worried that we will go 7-5(6) and we keep going like this because we made a bowl game?

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

You obviously know what you're talking about and I appreciate your insight. But this is where you loose me: a 2000 Ford makes a bowl game. Freaking UConn did. Drink was here one year. Its time to stop making excuses. Its not like he was here as long as Jason Capel. So Drink did a poor job recruiting for a year, let academics and character go for a year, three years later man, three years later, and 2023 should be the rebuilding year.

What if said 2000 Ford didn't have any wheels or a key? And there wasn't any money to get the wheels and key?

If it was during normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But, this also happened during the middle of a pandemic. Sure, all other programs had to deal with the pandemic. How many other programs literally cut their assistant coach salary pool in half to stay afloat during the pandemic? Less than 10...

Bottom line -- there is far more than meets the eye here. This has been manifesting since 2017ish. If it weren't for the super senior allowance, we would have seen this in 2021 -- maybe 2020. And it's all snowballed into a bigger issue in 2022 because it was covered up by the two years of super seniors.

[appgrad95&97]

It's simple. He was offered a P5 job. He never even flirted with it, but the extension was to keep other offers away. The extension also lowered our buy out. The BOT was only on board with the extension if it lowered our buy out. I can't remember exact details or dollar amounts though.

Also, he fixed a lot of academic issues. A lot of stars didn't feel the need to be students. Clark wasn't about that. Other off field issues were also addressed (minor things).

He (and Watts) also made tremendous headway on balancing the classes. This season is doing even more work in that regard. Between Drink's inability to recruit and the super senior years, the classes were extremely out of whack. Successful G5 programs can't compete with unbalanced classes (although, that's a little different now with the transfer portal).

That's extremely fair and I appreciate your insight. But do you get the I am worried that we will go 7-5(6) and we keep going like this because we made a bowl game?

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

You obviously know what you're talking about and I appreciate your insight. But this is where you loose me: a 2000 Ford makes a bowl game. Freaking UConn did. Drink was here one year. Its time to stop making excuses. Its not like he was here as long as Jason Capel. So Drink did a poor job recruiting for a year, let academics and character go for a year, three years later man, three years later, and 2023 should be the rebuilding year.

What if said 2000 Ford didn't have any wheels or a key? And there wasn't any money to get the wheels and key?

If it was during normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But, this also happened during the middle of a pandemic. Sure, all other programs had to deal with the pandemic. How many other programs literally cut their assistant coach salary pool in half to stay afloat during the pandemic? Less than 10...

Bottom line -- there is far more than meets the eye here. This has been manifesting since 2017ish. If it weren't for the super senior allowance, we would have seen this in 2021 -- maybe 2020. And it's all snowballed into a bigger issue in 2022 because it was covered up by the two years of super seniors.

So we're going to be an average Sunbelt school for a while. That's exactly how it feels to me. I get the financial issues here, but they are not new. Thank you very much for your time. I really mean that.

[311neers]

That's extremely fair and I appreciate your insight. But do you get the I am worried that we will go 7-5(6) and we keep going like this because we made a bowl game?

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

You obviously know what you're talking about and I appreciate your insight. But this is where you loose me: a 2000 Ford makes a bowl game. Freaking UConn did. Drink was here one year. Its time to stop making excuses. Its not like he was here as long as Jason Capel. So Drink did a poor job recruiting for a year, let academics and character go for a year, three years later man, three years later, and 2023 should be the rebuilding year.

What if said 2000 Ford didn't have any wheels or a key? And there wasn't any money to get the wheels and key?

If it was during normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But, this also happened during the middle of a pandemic. Sure, all other programs had to deal with the pandemic. How many other programs literally cut their assistant coach salary pool in half to stay afloat during the pandemic? Less than 10...

Bottom line -- there is far more than meets the eye here. This has been manifesting since 2017ish. If it weren't for the super senior allowance, we would have seen this in 2021 -- maybe 2020. And it's all snowballed into a bigger issue in 2022 because it was covered up by the two years of super seniors.

So we're going to be an average Sunbelt school for a while. That's exactly how it feels to me. I get the financial issues here, but they are not new. Thank you very much for your time. I really mean that.

All the roster, covid, super senior stuff is all moot point If he doesn’t figure out how to coach late game situations and clock management. I don’t think we will be a middling sun belt team because our culture and tradition is too good, but it’s not out of the realm. I trust he has surrounded himself with people that will help him overcome his inefficiencies as a coach. This year will be pretty telling as they are mostly all of his recruits and coaches for the most part. No excuses here on out, just win!

[AppStateNews]

That's extremely fair and I appreciate your insight. But do you get the I am worried that we will go 7-5(6) and we keep going like this because we made a bowl game?

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

You obviously know what you're talking about and I appreciate your insight. But this is where you loose me: a 2000 Ford makes a bowl game. Freaking UConn did. Drink was here one year. Its time to stop making excuses. Its not like he was here as long as Jason Capel. So Drink did a poor job recruiting for a year, let academics and character go for a year, three years later man, three years later, and 2023 should be the rebuilding year.

What if said 2000 Ford didn't have any wheels or a key? And there wasn't any money to get the wheels and key?

If it was during normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But, this also happened during the middle of a pandemic. Sure, all other programs had to deal with the pandemic. How many other programs literally cut their assistant coach salary pool in half to stay afloat during the pandemic? Less than 10...

Bottom line -- there is far more than meets the eye here. This has been manifesting since 2017ish. If it weren't for the super senior allowance, we would have seen this in 2021 -- maybe 2020. And it's all snowballed into a bigger issue in 2022 because it was covered up by the two years of super seniors.

So we're going to be an average Sunbelt school for a while. That's exactly how it feels to me. I get the financial issues here, but they are not new. Thank you very much for your time. I really mean that.

This amount of financial issues are new. Not only did assistant salary pool get cut, recruiting budgets got cut, operation budget got cut, strength and conditioning budget got cut...

Going in to a season, the program knows they have $X and budget accordingly for recruiting, equipment, trainings, speakers, etc. Imagine doing your job and on Jan 1, your boss says "hey, you have $2 million dollars to do what you need this year. It's up to you to figure out where to spend it." And then on Jan 30, your boss says "yeah, that $2 mil you likely already have locked up in several places... You better make it $500k." Would that not impede on your ability to do the job you had planned on doing? I obviously don't know your profession, but I think it's safe to say that would really impact 99% of the work force. Also, again, these are fictitious numbers for easy math.

And no, we won't be an average sun Belt school for long. If we hit on a couple of these transfer portal guys and continue recruiting HS athletes like we currently are, I'd see us contending for the East again as early as next year. But, I also know it takes some luck on these transfer portal guys so it could take a little bit longer.

But, with the added funds the athletic department has thrown at Clark, I'd expect a turn around sooner than later. He's now able to hire his #1 choice instead of his 3rd option. And, he's able to recruit certain areas a lot harder now.

[WVAPPeer]

As per the extension - if he hadn't gotten an extension our opponents would have definitely used it against us in the recruiting battle - per something like, "Are you sure you really want to consider App, I mean their coach didn't even get an extension, could be a good bit of uncertainty there" ---

[mike87]

I definitely get the concern. Again, being concerned and talking about perceived issues is a good thing. We would be like UNC Concord and Coastal if we didn't have a passionate fan base that cares. My issue isn't about fans caring and discussing it. My issue is the constant negativity while discussing it. According to some, the only way we can fix what's happening is fire everyone, get all new players, and hire Nick Saban -- all things that won't happen (and yes, I know this is extreme..) There are other ways to fix the issues. Fortunately for us, Gillin and Everts know and see this.

Also, I'd wager a portion of the fire everybody crowd have never given a dollar to Yosef Club and have been free loading for years.

The thing is, Clark was given the keys to a Lamborghini with an engine on its last legs and the money to fix it being drained elsewhere. To most, all that was seen was a brand new Lamborghini. But looking under the hood showed a lot more issues and creativity and a lot more hard work was needed to start the repairs. Good news is Clark has been given a little more money to put towards finishing the repairs -- but it may take some time still.

You obviously know what you're talking about and I appreciate your insight. But this is where you loose me: a 2000 Ford makes a bowl game. Freaking UConn did. Drink was here one year. Its time to stop making excuses. Its not like he was here as long as Jason Capel. So Drink did a poor job recruiting for a year, let academics and character go for a year, three years later man, three years later, and 2023 should be the rebuilding year.

What if said 2000 Ford didn't have any wheels or a key? And there wasn't any money to get the wheels and key?

If it was during normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But, this also happened during the middle of a pandemic. Sure, all other programs had to deal with the pandemic. How many other programs literally cut their assistant coach salary pool in half to stay afloat during the pandemic? Less than 10...

Bottom line -- there is far more than meets the eye here. This has been manifesting since 2017ish. If it weren't for the super senior allowance, we would have seen this in 2021 -- maybe 2020. And it's all snowballed into a bigger issue in 2022 because it was covered up by the two years of super seniors.

So we're going to be an average Sunbelt school for a while. That's exactly how it feels to me. I get the financial issues here, but they are not new. Thank you very much for your time. I really mean that.

This amount of financial issues are new. Not only did assistant salary pool get cut, recruiting budgets got cut, operation budget got cut, strength and conditioning budget got cut...

Going in to a season, the program knows they have $X and budget accordingly for recruiting, equipment, trainings, speakers, etc. Imagine doing your job and on Jan 1, your boss says "hey, you have $2 million dollars to do what you need this year. It's up to you to figure out where to spend it." And then on Jan 30, your boss says "yeah, that $2 mil you likely already have locked up in several places... You better make it $500k." Would that not impede on your ability to do the job you had planned on doing? I obviously don't know your profession, but I think it's safe to say that would really impact 99% of the work force. Also, again, these are fictitious numbers for easy math.

And no, we won't be an average sun Belt school for long. If we hit on a couple of these transfer portal guys and continue recruiting HS athletes like we currently are, I'd see us contending for the East again as early as next year. But, I also know it takes some luck on these transfer portal guys so it could take a little bit longer.

But, with the added funds the athletic department has thrown at Clark, I'd expect a turn around sooner than later. He's now able to hire his #1 choice instead of his 3rd option. And, he's able to recruit certain areas a lot harder now.

Nothing to worry about guys. I upped my pledge this year. We good

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

As per the extension - if he hadn't gotten an extension our opponents would have definitely used it against us in the recruiting battle - per something like, "Are you sure you really want to consider App, I mean their coach didn't even get an extension, could be a good bit of uncertainty there" ---

Seems like a bit of a stretch.

"Hey mom/dad what does that even mean?" - Your average 17-18 year old prospect.

Speaking about three coaches in less than 5 years and suggesting Clark might leave like his predecessors seems like a more realistic pitch, rather than trying to dumb down a contract extension.

He was closer to the beginning of his contract than he was the end of the contract when he got the extension. It's not like he was approaching the end of the contract and didn't get an extension, leaving into question what DG felt about his future.

[Saint3333]

The truth as usual is somewhere in the middle.

Sun isn’t shining, but we’re not that far from being in the title hunt either.

Huge off-season.

[yosef69]

Can someone explain to me how we have less money than our peers? Our fan support is better, my understanding is Yosef club funding is better than their equivalents, we get the same TV revenue, etc. how is LaLa and CCU able to spend more on their coaches than us?

[AppStateNews]

Can someone explain to me how we have less money than our peers? Our fan support is better, my understanding is Yosef club funding is better than their equivalents, we get the same TV revenue, etc. how is LaLa and CCU able to spend more on their coaches than us?

More institutional/state support is the biggest thing, but also student fees.

[WVAPPeer]

It's really not a stretch...think about how many coaches have gotten extensions while their record is just so-so.

[huskie3]

Ccu has a wealthy supporter, others have more corporate supporters

[Black Saturday]

Ccu has a wealthy supporter, others have more corporate supporters

We have been known as a teachers college.

[AppSt94]

Ccu has a wealthy supporter, others have more corporate supporters

CCU gets a healthy sum of cash from the CDC for testing out STD drugs.

[The Rock]

Ccu has a wealthy supporter, others have more corporate supporters

This. CCU has both Josh Norman funding facilities and Joe Moglia giving them as much as they need, they just don't have the fan support to enjoy this.

[appbanker]

Ccu has a wealthy supporter, others have more corporate supporters

This. CCU has both Josh Norman funding facilities and Joe Moglia giving them as much as they need, they just don't have the fan support to enjoy this.

Most of there facilities are supported by the Brooks family, who made their money with Hooters franchises