Boise Discussion - 7:30pm

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

It’s really not but it takes a reasonable level of intelligence and football knowledge. How is it weird to call a 5-7 team not good?

Boise State is a better team than A&M in 2022. That isn’t a weird take.

I’m also not patting ourselves on the back? We weren’t good enough tonight, but that doesn’t mean we are a terrible team yet. Are we that far beyond decency, common sense and intelligence that we can’t have reasonable takes anymore?

Again no one was expecting a win but to get beat by 40 by this Boise team is unacceptable. We didn’t lose lines this to sec schools when we were FCs. You are arguing to argue which is typical for this board.

But we did…
2014: L to Michigan 52-14
2013: L to UGA 45-6
2011: L to VT 66-13
2010: L to UF 48-10

I am not arguing to argue. I am arguing to hopefully have reasonable discussions on football performance. I’ve not called it acceptable one time. I’m just trying my best to explain it, other than calling for firings and degrading the players or staff. I can’t help it if people struggle with facts or having reasonable discussions.

We never played against Virginia Tech

We've played VT at least 2 times since about 1985

Fake News

[Yosef84]

Our program historically has been built blue collar. We have grabbed talent the big programs overlooked, developed them over the years by strength and fundamentals. It depended on longevity of players and coaching staff. At the moment the culture of college football is not conducive to the way our program has been successful. There are few players in division one who care to stay put if they are talented and believe they can be in a bigger program, and now they get paid to give it a shot. The players we do get are also travelers with no loyalty and do not know the culture of our program. We have new coaching staff and the ability to build the program takes time. The result is a team with a few players who have talent but no depth and fundamentals are missing. We don't tackle well and the offense is far away from the run hard and block well program we have had.

NIL has disrupted our model somewhat

I think more than "somewhat". I've had this discussion with my wife for the past few years. I believe that the model that kept App successful historically is the specific model that has been disrupted by NIL + transfer portal. We have always relied on developing those diamonds in the rough. The new model doesn't reward that because, as soon as they shine, someone else grabs them. I honestly don't know the answer. It seems we are more athletic than last year but our execution is killing us. Never seen App consistently turn the ball over like we do. I still think it's coach-able and we can improve but so far, it hasn't happened. I really hope Kohl and Keith can get healthy so we have options.

[bcoach]

It’s really not but it takes a reasonable level of intelligence and football knowledge. How is it weird to call a 5-7 team not good?

Boise State is a better team than A&M in 2022. That isn’t a weird take.

I’m also not patting ourselves on the back? We weren’t good enough tonight, but that doesn’t mean we are a terrible team yet. Are we that far beyond decency, common sense and intelligence that we can’t have reasonable takes anymore?

Again no one was expecting a win but to get beat by 40 by this Boise team is unacceptable. We didn’t lose lines this to sec schools when we were FCs. You are arguing to argue which is typical for this board.

But we did…
2014: L to Michigan 52-14
2013: L to UGA 45-6
2011: L to VT 66-13
2010: L to UF 48-10

I am not arguing to argue. I am arguing to hopefully have reasonable discussions on football performance. I’ve not called it acceptable one time. I’m just trying my best to explain it, other than calling for firings and degrading the players or staff. I can’t help it if people struggle with facts or having reasonable discussions.

We never played against Virginia Tech

We've played VT at least 2 times since about 1985

That is not true. We have never played VT

[pop5app]

Well, seems to me, in order to try and understand where we are; we should face how and why we are where we are. 2019 we were at the top. I know it’s not popular to say but we were still good for a couple more years. However, as players graduated or left the team (for any reason) we did not recruit good enough to replace real players. It was a slow steady decline. In fact I would say we had an “FCS” recruiting mentality. As a result we now have a roster of journeymen and FCS players trying to play FBS football. Sideline enthusiasm looks like a pro sideline. Nobody is enthusiastic about APP STATE, it’s simply business. In the scheme of things and under the wild, wild west “rules”, we don’t have the dollars to compete. It’s sad but I believe the old college football days are over. I for one don’t like the new way. I’m trying to hold off the apathy but I feel I’m losing.

[Saint3333]

Are we really arguing that it’s ok to lose by 5 touchdowns to a peer school?

I certainly remember Satterfields first 2 seasons. I remember losing to Liberty when they sucked.

It’s very strange to read these comments that anybody who thinks we are in a bad spot is uneducated about football. Yes, correct, we’re turning over a lot, but I think anybody who isn’t upset is massively underestimating that this is our new normal. Maybe I’m uneducated though.

I also disagree that Boise is a peer team. We are peer teams with other average programs like Marshall, Coastal and JMU. Boise has been a step above us. When people recite the “most winningiest programs” stat, they leave out what has happened in the recent seasons. We were on equal footing in 2018/2019. Boise had a small blip but is now a playoff contender annually. We had a blip and have not recovered yet.

Dude we shouldn’t be losing by this much to another g5 school period

Boise is closer to a P4 Big 10 school than they are to us. They went toe to toe with Oregon and Penn state last season for the record. Everyone’s expectation were skewed because they had a terrible week 1 against a very good USF team, who is also closer to a P4 SEC school than us (as evident by them beating Florida).

Not in terms of funding they aren’t.

We are a depleted team with no depth. We started at a deficient position before this seasons portal and it got worse.

We need another cycle to get depth and hold onto 4-5 more key players than last year.

That will be difficult of course.

[Yosef1986]

Very difficult game to watch. However, my humble view is that we are a better team than the last few years. Our defense is better. We seem to have fight. We just need to clean up the turnovers and penalties. The pick 6's are killing us. We also have players on the team that do not give up. I am in the boat with giving all time to come together. I believed this was a wild card year - meaning 55 new players and a new staff - no telling what would happen. Our coach appears to be invested and continues to coach on the sidelines. He also has been very engaged from my view. Also, we have made a living so to speak by doing more with less than others schools. The the TP and NIL - this is no longer possible. We just need to figure out how to maneuver in the new college football.

[Saint3333]

Those slogans are cute but not realistic in every battle. Multiple things can be true. We can fight, which we did, and also be overmatched, which we were. Boise flipped a switch that we are not capable of and finished the game on a 23-0 run. They are a great team. We are not. It’s not rocket science.

If this is where we are going as a fan base count me out.

We beat a top budget SEC team just two seasons ago. And we are saying we can’t compete with Boise?

Geez. Are you actually this dense or just arguing? The conversation had nothing to do with budget but okay.

In this moment of time, September 2025, Boise State is a much better football team than we are. That doesn’t mean we cannot compete with them or should run away from the challenge. We competed with them for 3 quarters and got our ass kicked in the final 20 minutes. I don’t see the controversy here.

In September 2022, Texas A&M was not a good football team. We competed and beat them. However, we too were also not a good football team in 2022 but we were better that day.

Calling a team a great team is not calling our team trash. It’s calling them a great team.

I disagree that theyre a great team.

They got demolished by USF.

They won’t win 10 games.

We won’t win 5

I’ll come back to this after the play Notre dame. Noted for future discussion.

Line is ND -16.5. I assume you’re taking Boise bigly.

[Saint3333]

Quite a few defense played well until posts.

Disagree the only time we stopped them their QB missed open targets or WRs dropped obvious catches. Our secondary is good at run support terrible in medium to deep coverage, have been all year. Unless we face QBs and OLs like UNCC they will struggle.

[ASUFan4863]

Are we really arguing that it’s ok to lose by 5 touchdowns to a peer school?

I certainly remember Satterfields first 2 seasons. I remember losing to Liberty when they sucked.

It’s very strange to read these comments that anybody who thinks we are in a bad spot is uneducated about football. Yes, correct, we’re turning over a lot, but I think anybody who isn’t upset is massively underestimating that this is our new normal. Maybe I’m uneducated though.

I also disagree that Boise is a peer team. We are peer teams with other average programs like Marshall, Coastal and JMU. Boise has been a step above us. When people recite the “most winningiest programs” stat, they leave out what has happened in the recent seasons. We were on equal footing in 2018/2019. Boise had a small blip but is now a playoff contender annually. We had a blip and have not recovered yet.

Dude we shouldn’t be losing by this much to another g5 school period

Boise is closer to a P4 Big 10 school than they are to us. They went toe to toe with Oregon and Penn state last season for the record. Everyone’s expectation were skewed because they had a terrible week 1 against a very good USF team, who is also closer to a P4 SEC school than us (as evident by them beating Florida).

Not in terms of funding they aren’t.

We are a depleted team with no depth. We started at a deficient position before this seasons portal and it got worse.

We need another cycle to get depth and hold onto 4-5 more key players than last year.

That will be difficult of course.

I meant in terms of talent and depth. They build their team through recruiting and not the portal. We don’t have a choice but to use the portal. I am excited to see what a full staff can do with a full cycle to recruit.

[RaleighApp27609]

From sports-reference.com. Swann, you are ranked in something.

[ASUFan4863]

If this is where we are going as a fan base count me out.

We beat a top budget SEC team just two seasons ago. And we are saying we can’t compete with Boise?

Geez. Are you actually this dense or just arguing? The conversation had nothing to do with budget but okay.

In this moment of time, September 2025, Boise State is a much better football team than we are. That doesn’t mean we cannot compete with them or should run away from the challenge. We competed with them for 3 quarters and got our ass kicked in the final 20 minutes. I don’t see the controversy here.

In September 2022, Texas A&M was not a good football team. We competed and beat them. However, we too were also not a good football team in 2022 but we were better that day.

Calling a team a great team is not calling our team trash. It’s calling them a great team.

I disagree that theyre a great team.

They got demolished by USF.

They won’t win 10 games.

We won’t win 5

I’ll come back to this after the play Notre dame. Noted for future discussion.

Line is ND -16.5. I assume you’re taking Boise bigly.

I’m not a bettor so no on that. My point is that Notre Dame is a great team as well and Boise will play them much closer than we played Boise. I’m just trying to highlight the talent discrepancies we face right now.

[Bootsy]

Honestly, was anyone here really surprised that App lost this game? Let's hearken back to the summertime and recall that nearly everyone on this board penciled this game in as a loss...me included.

But it doesn't make us feel any better, does it?

[Saint3333]

Geez. Are you actually this dense or just arguing? The conversation had nothing to do with budget but okay.

In this moment of time, September 2025, Boise State is a much better football team than we are. That doesn’t mean we cannot compete with them or should run away from the challenge. We competed with them for 3 quarters and got our ass kicked in the final 20 minutes. I don’t see the controversy here.

In September 2022, Texas A&M was not a good football team. We competed and beat them. However, we too were also not a good football team in 2022 but we were better that day.

Calling a team a great team is not calling our team trash. It’s calling them a great team.

I disagree that theyre a great team.

They got demolished by USF.

They won’t win 10 games.

We won’t win 5

I’ll come back to this after the play Notre dame. Noted for future discussion.

Line is ND -16.5. I assume you’re taking Boise bigly.

I’m not a bettor so no on that. My point is that Notre Dame is a great team as well and Boise will play them much closer than we played Boise. I’m just trying to highlight the talent discrepancies we face right now.

Really going out a limb there, Boise will stay with 30 of a team.

[311neers]

From sports-reference.com. Swann, you are ranked in something.

Joey on here too!

[Black Saturday]

Again no one was expecting a win but to get beat by 40 by this Boise team is unacceptable. We didn’t lose lines this to sec schools when we were FCs. You are arguing to argue which is typical for this board.

But we did…
2014: L to Michigan 52-14
2013: L to UGA 45-6
2011: L to VT 66-13
2010: L to UF 48-10

I am not arguing to argue. I am arguing to hopefully have reasonable discussions on football performance. I’ve not called it acceptable one time. I’m just trying my best to explain it, other than calling for firings and degrading the players or staff. I can’t help it if people struggle with facts or having reasonable discussions.

We never played against Virginia Tech

We've played VT at least 2 times since about 1985

That is not true. We have never played VT

We played them in 1981ish when i was in school and the year after we beat Michigan if I'm not missing something encoded in the post.

Correct in 1981

https://hokiesports.com/boxscore/5058

[Mjohn1988]

Just going to say this, Loggins wasn’t handed much. If I thought we could fight through a couple of bad years to get to the other side that would be ok but I just can’t wrap my arms around how we rebuild in this environment. I really hope I’m wrong.

[ASUFan4863]

Just going to say this, Loggins wasn’t handed much. If I thought we could fight through a couple of bad years to get to the other side that would be ok but I just can’t wrap my arms around how we rebuild in this environment. I really hope I’m wrong.

I understand it is tough to lose that way. Recruiting is the key to success in college football. We can’t measure that this season. We can see that Loggains got some good players in a short period of time, which gives me hope he can put together a better team with more time than he had this offseason.

[ASUTodd]

I think Coach can get it done... I have to keep reminding myself that this is his first rodeo as a head coach. I also think that if Kohl was not hurt we might not be as down because he would be playing. After the UNCC game I thought we turned a corner but we hadnt yet. I know we will get back to where we were I'm just impatient. So my expectations for the rest of the year are now tempered.

[appgrad95&97]

I hate to say this, I really do. But the culture at App State sucks. Wasn't it after we got boat raced by South Alabama that the Chairman of the BoT took time to basically said no one remembers wins and losses? That was my "what the eff is going on here" moment.

[AppSt94]

We aren’t a good football team. It’s that simple. Will we improve throughout the season? Hopefully.

From what I've observed thus far we're a very bad team, hopefully we'll see improvement starting next week. Thus far I've seen no improvement at all, as a matter of fact we regress more each week if that's possible.

I can’t disagree with you assessment. The “correctable” mistakes have appeared to become habits.