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[311neers]

My only hope is that it is injuries. ECU beat Coastal 38 to 0. JMU is going to beat us by 50.

If you watch the tape. Every play the quarterback rolled out he had grass in front of him. No defensive back came up to respect the run...therefore the defensive back was in coverage on the receivers. This is a horrible offense. Throwing the ball against 8 defensive backs to 5 receivers is LOW odds....and it showed. No defensive end has to contain the edge because we are only going one way....left or right....zero misdirection. It is just sad to watch. If you dont have the horses to run over someone you have to design plays that get people open. Ends are crashing hard and ears pinned back with am empty backfield. Just sad. Either our players are REALLY bad or the coach is lazy in play design or both. DLO ran a completly different offense at SC. That quarterback ran nonstop.

That's the sad thing.
They were dropping 7-8 every play, still getting pressure and stopping the run...
Where are the bulls up front?
Kinda impressive we were able to pass the ball with the pressure they got with 7-8 in coverage most of the night in a soft tampa 2 shell.

[rbarthle17]

Logan's has no clue what it means to be an App State football coach! Players have no clue what it means to be an App State player or Alumni! Period

A lot of people wanted someone outside the ASU ecosystem to be the coach. This is what you get doing that. Satterfield leaving, while totally understandable, was indeed the first nail in the coffin that is being built around us. We have not been the same since.

[t4pizza]

I will agree that our OL is a weakness based on injuries and lack of depth. Our DL wasn't doing much better prior to the 3 players being kicked off and now still does not get pressure. We lack depth, and probably talent, in the trenches. That being said, with the exception of the Boise game, I really feel that we are talented enough to have beaten every team that beat us. We haven't played that way, but we have shown that it is possible. If we don't sleepwalk through the first half last night, we win easily. Same goes with ODU, too little too late. With Coastal it was the opposite, fast start and nothing in the second half on offense and we all know how we handed Southern Miss the win. I look at us play and can't say it is a talent deficiencies as much as poor play, poor execution, lack of focus, undisciplined, questionable play calling and things of that nature. If we play focused, mistake free ball we don't lose those 4 games regardless of our apparent lack of talent. This type of play has been evident since early in the season and nothing has changed. Coaches have to make players play better and it isn't happening so far. Do we need better talent? Sure we do. Is our current talent so deficient that we can't win against peer Sun Belt teams? I don't think it is. I have yet to see a Sun Belt team beat us that I thought was a good team, but that is coming with our next game.

[spacemonkey]

These are the numbers for one of the South Carolina quarterback under DLO 2024 at S Carolina. I want that offense. See article about SC quaterback below.

Appeared in eight games making one start in his lone season with the Gamecocks… completed 23-of-32 passes (71.9 pct.) for 324 yards and one touchdown and ran 41 times for 227 yards and two scores… took over in the second half against LSU following an injury to LaNorris Sellers and made the start in the following week against Akron… completed 15-of-21 passes for 243 yards and two touchdowns, tying his career high, against the Zips… also rushed 16 times for a career high 133 yards and a TD against Akron… his 133-yard effort is the sixth-highest single-game rushing total by a quarterback in school history… he became the first Gamecock QB to pass and throw for 100 yards in a game since Lorenzo Nunez in 2015… added a rushing touchdown late in the Wofford contest.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I don’t get using the word rebuild unless it’s meant to say rebuild a program. Under the current landscape there is no team rebuild. I see the portal as more of a pecking order. The best teams with money will get the best free agent players available then the next tier of power level schools then the better G5’s. We are now relegated to average or even below average G5. If all we are getting is FCS level talent for all intents and purposes we are a glorified FCS school again. How many players who were recruited and signed out of high school over the last 3 years are actually on the roster and playing? If it’s going to be a complete overhaul with 40 new guys every season it’s pointless.

[rbarthle17]

Hopefully we can get back to playing respectable ball next year and maybe every few years we can catch lightning in a bottle.

This perfectly summarizes what every G5 program is going to have as its ultimate goal. Anyone worth a damn will be in the portal the second the season is over. We will have to start over each year. The good news is it's a very attainable goal.

[Rekdiver]

I’m not a fan of our offensive play sets, nor going for 2 after our 1st, nor the cushion our DBs give wideouts,
But the fans were there. Decent crowd considering.

[spacemonkey]

These are the stats of the other S carolina quarterback for 2024. Run the quarterback.


Passing statistics
Completions/Attempts: 196 of 299
Passing Yards: 2,534
Touchdowns: 18
Interceptions: 7
Completion Percentage: 65.6%
Yards Per Attempt: 8.5
Passer Rating: 151.9
Longest Completion: 60 yards
Rushing statistics
Rushing Yards: 674
Rushing Touchdowns: 7
Attempts: 166
Yards Per Carry: 4.1
Longest Run: 75 yards
Other 2024 stats
Games Played: 12
Total Offense Yards: 3,208 (2,534 pass + 674 rush)
Sacks: 33

[Saint3333]

Swann can not run, we don't have that option with him in the game.

We are playing the hand dealt (some we dealt ourselves, some inherited). Let's just say we aren't holding pocket jacks or better, hell we aren't holding consecutive suited cards, more like a 7-10 unsuited and the flop is 2, 4, J at this point in the season.

[appbio91]

I am on the ledge guys, need to be talked back. I can’t see how we ever get back to sustainable greatness. It’s just going to be one off luck of the draw from here on out. It just doesn’t feel the same anymore for me. I love the name on the jersey and the place but no connection to the team. Hell I recognized the traitor’s name last night more than some of our own players. Shit!!

[rbarthle17]

I am on the ledge guys, need to be talked back. I can’t see how we ever get back to sustainable greatness. It’s just going to be one off luck of the draw from here on out. It just doesn’t feel the same anymore for me. I love the name on the jersey and the place but no connection to the team. Hell I recognized the traitor’s name last night more than some of our own players. Shit!!

You have assessed the situation accurately. Not just for us though, this is the reality for everyone outside of the top 30 programs in the nation that can throw Monopoly money around.

You need to redefine what "sustainable greatness" means to you. To me now that will be above 500 seasons every year, and the occasional year we catch lightning in a bottle and make a run at the G5 playoff spot.

When (not if) those top 30 break off and go their own way, we can reevaluate what that means when the landscape changes again.

[rbarthle17]

Swann can not run, we don't have that option with him in the game.

We are playing the hand dealt (some we dealt ourselves, some inherited). Let's just say we aren't holding pocket jacks or better, hell we aren't holding consecutive suited cards, more like a 7-10 unsuited and the flop is 2, 4, J at this point in the season.

So shoving all in is a bad idea?

[spacemonkey]

So here is a take. Isnt easier to teach a runner that cannot throw how to throw than it is to teach a thrower that cannot run how to run. One is a God given talent, the other cam be learned. Recruite 5 running quarterbacks and teach them how to throw.

[Saint3333]

Swann can not run, we don't have that option with him in the game.

We are playing the hand dealt (some we dealt ourselves, some inherited). Let's just say we aren't holding pocket jacks or better, hell we aren't holding consecutive suited cards, more like a 7-10 unsuited and the flop is 2, 4, J at this point in the season.

So shoving all in is a bad idea?

I'd say saving our chips for the next hand would be the play.

[Seattleapp]

I will agree that our OL is a weakness based on injuries and lack of depth. Our DL wasn't doing much better prior to the 3 players being kicked off and now still does not get pressure. We lack depth, and probably talent, in the trenches. That being said, with the exception of the Boise game, I really feel that we are talented enough to have beaten every team that beat us. We haven't played that way, but we have shown that it is possible. If we don't sleepwalk through the first half last night, we win easily. Same goes with ODU, too little too late. With Coastal it was the opposite, fast start and nothing in the second half on offense and we all know how we handed Southern Miss the win. I look at us play and can't say it is a talent deficiencies as much as poor play, poor execution, lack of focus, undisciplined, questionable play calling and things of that nature. If we play focused, mistake free ball we don't lose those 4 games regardless of our apparent lack of talent. This type of play has been evident since early in the season and nothing has changed. Coaches have to make players play better and it isn't happening so far. Do we need better talent? Sure we do. Is our current talent so deficient that we can't win against peer Sun Belt teams? I don't think it is. I have yet to see a Sun Belt team beat us that I thought was a good team, but that is coming with our next game.

Good post and while we are all in the business of giving this staff grace, we aren’t exactly playing murderers row. We may have a talent deficiency but we aren’t playing teams with great talent either. Southern is objectively a bad team and we couldn’t do anything.

[Saint3333]

So here is a take. Isnt easier to teach a runner that cannot throw how to throw than it is to teach a thrower that cannot run how to run. One is a God given talent, the other cam be learned. Recruite 5 running quarterbacks and teach them how to throw.

Hear me out, we switch to the triple option, for years it has been the way to counter a disparity in talent. Plus beating GS with it would be kinda neat.










This is sarcasm for those without radar.

[appbio91]

I am on the ledge guys, need to be talked back. I can’t see how we ever get back to sustainable greatness. It’s just going to be one off luck of the draw from here on out. It just doesn’t feel the same anymore for me. I love the name on the jersey and the place but no connection to the team. Hell I recognized the traitor’s name last night more than some of our own players. Shit!!

You have assessed the situation accurately. Not just for us though, this is the reality for everyone outside of the top 30 programs in the nation that can throw Monopoly money around.

You need to redefine what "sustainable greatness" means to you. To me now that will be above 500 seasons every year, and the occasional year we catch lightning in a bottle and make a run at the G5 playoff spot.

When (not if) those top 30 break off and go their own way, we can reevaluate what that means when the landscape changes again.

Appreciate the calibrated response. I will still be there and still contribute. We will survive.

[appfanjj]

Swann should never have thrown the ball on the last interception. Should have tucked it and run for a guaranteed first down and run toward the sideline to get out of bounds if possible.
We need to come up with a QB that can run when necessary to keep the D honest.
We don't have the type of QB that he coached at SC. He built an entire offense around Jenkins at SC and would do so here if we had that type of player. But we don't this year.
Hopefully, that will change.

[311neers]

Swann should never have thrown the ball on the last interception. Should have tucked it and run for a guaranteed first down and run toward the sideline to get out of bounds if possible.
We need to come up with a QB that can run when necessary to keep the D honest.
We don't have the type of QB that he coached at SC. He built an entire offense around Jenkins at SC and would do so here if we had that type of player. But we don't this year.
Hopefully, that will change.

Sellers* is one of the best athletes in CFB. Doubt we ever get a guy at that level.
I do agree that Swann needs to use his legs. Even Brice ran some, and Swann is a step quicker.

[Bootsy]

Swann should never have thrown the ball on the last interception. Should have tucked it and run for a guaranteed first down and run toward the sideline to get out of bounds if possible.
We need to come up with a QB that can run when necessary to keep the D honest.
We don't have the type of QB that he coached at SC. He built an entire offense around Jenkins at SC and would do so here if we had that type of player. But we don't this year.
Hopefully, that will change.

To your point, the talent of the offensive squad is a big part of how an OC schemes for a particular opponent. DL could do different (read: fancier) things at USC because he had better personnel.