TX St discussion

[hapapp]

If you make that 4th and 1, you set the tone for the rest of the game. They just went down the field and came away empty. You impose your will by going for it and making it, it tells the other team that you are going to be the aggressor all night and see if they wilt. It didn’t work.

You’re going to kill the other teams spirit in the first five minutes? STOP, this isn’t going to happen.

Turnovers are momentum plays, we offered our opponent one of those on our side of the field. Punt the ball and give your defense more opportunities to stop them.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take, have we lost all sense of situational football decisions.

I should have known better than debate someone who is incapable of acknowledging that any opinion not of his own creation is wrong. Have a great day.

Two way street.

[Mjohn1988]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

This is such a BS response. Some of you guys think you must be a complete cheer leader or your not a fan. I’m not for participation trophies. If guys aren’t getting it done its ok if the coach says so. Those guys all ready know their not getting it done. Ever heard the saying, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem? The guys on this team should be able to stand up to some criticism. But the truth is I was really criticizing the coach for putting them in a bad situation.

It’s you are, or, you’re. Also, it’s they are or they’re.

How do you like the public criticism of your lack of knowledge of the English language?

No one is saying that Clark isn’t critical of individual performances. But those comments take place in his office or in film study. Not for the public.

Actually my problem with spelling is something I’m aware of. I didn’t slow down long enough to go back and look for the mistakes I know I make. That’s my problem and I own it. It’s fine and even helpful that you pointed it out.

[AppSt94]

If you make that 4th and 1, you set the tone for the rest of the game. They just went down the field and came away empty. You impose your will by going for it and making it, it tells the other team that you are going to be the aggressor all night and see if they wilt. It didn’t work.

You’re going to kill the other teams spirit in the first five minutes? STOP, this isn’t going to happen.

Turnovers are momentum plays, we offered our opponent one of those on our side of the field. Punt the ball and give your defense more opportunities to stop them.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take, have we lost all sense of situational football decisions.

I should have known better than debate someone who is incapable of acknowledging that any opinion not of his own creation is wrong. Have a great day.

Two way street.

That’s fair.

[bigdaddyg]

I can appreciate when a coach takes the blame for losses- its part of the gig. But it's not always as easy as "we will make the adjustments". If that all it takes from one game to another we would have fixed stuff after the JMU meltdown prior to Texas State. When you don't wrap guys up and the tackling effort is to attempt to bump into the opponent or shove him down that's effort. When you repeatedly get stupid drive killing 15 yard penalties that's attitude and mental mistakes that aren't corrected in practice. Sometimes it's put a dude on the sideline and let the next man up make the right plays.

[AppSt94]

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

This is such a BS response. Some of you guys think you must be a complete cheer leader or your not a fan. I’m not for participation trophies. If guys aren’t getting it done its ok if the coach says so. Those guys all ready know their not getting it done. Ever heard the saying, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem? The guys on this team should be able to stand up to some criticism. But the truth is I was really criticizing the coach for putting them in a bad situation.

It’s you are, or, you’re. Also, it’s they are or they’re.

How do you like the public criticism of your lack of knowledge of the English language?

No one is saying that Clark isn’t critical of individual performances. But those comments take place in his office or in film study. Not for the public.

Actually my problem with spelling is something I’m aware of. I didn’t slow down long enough to go back and look for the mistakes I know I make. That’s my problem and I own it. It’s fine and even helpful that you pointed it out.

And you are an adult. These are still kids that Clark has to manage in terms of their mental state and level of respect.

[AppSt94]

I can appreciate when a coach takes the blame for losses- its part of the gig. But it's not always as easy as "we will make the adjustments". If that all it takes from one game to another we would have fixed stuff after the JMU meltdown prior to Texas State. When you don't wrap guys up and the tackling effort is to attempt to bump into the opponent or shove him down that's effort. When you repeatedly get stupid drive killing 15 yard penalties that's attitude and mental mistakes that aren't corrected in practice. Sometimes it's put a dude on the sideline and let the next man up make the right plays.

Yep. And putting him on the sidelines demonstrates expectations and disappointment without public humiliation in a press conference.

[Stonewall]

If we make it, it was the right call.We didn't though so it wasn't.

[Saint3333]

If you make that 4th and 1, you set the tone for the rest of the game. They just went down the field and came away empty. You impose your will by going for it and making it, it tells the other team that you are going to be the aggressor all night and see if they wilt. It didn’t work.

You’re going to kill the other teams spirit in the first five minutes? STOP, this isn’t going to happen.

Turnovers are momentum plays, we offered our opponent one of those on our side of the field. Punt the ball and give your defense more opportunities to stop them.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take, have we lost all sense of situational football decisions.

I should have known better than debate someone who is incapable of acknowledging that any opinion not of his own creation is wrong. Have a great day.

Two way street.

That’s fair.

Mr Openminded,
Can you name one call Clark has made which was seen as 80% unconventional that you disagreed with? I agreed with his call to go for two vs NC at home dues or the circumstances of the offenses that day. I argued for it in the stands versus my group and at the tailgate with fans on both sides. Let’s hear an example where you disagreed with a call.

[Saint3333]

If we make it, it was the right call.We didn't though so it wasn't.

That is the lazy man’s answer.

[Mjohn1988]

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

This is such a BS response. Some of you guys think you must be a complete cheer leader or your not a fan. I’m not for participation trophies. If guys aren’t getting it done its ok if the coach says so. Those guys all ready know their not getting it done. Ever heard the saying, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem? The guys on this team should be able to stand up to some criticism. But the truth is I was really criticizing the coach for putting them in a bad situation.

It’s you are, or, you’re. Also, it’s they are or they’re.

How do you like the public criticism of your lack of knowledge of the English language?

No one is saying that Clark isn’t critical of individual performances. But those comments take place in his office or in film study. Not for the public.

Actually my problem with spelling is something I’m aware of. I didn’t slow down long enough to go back and look for the mistakes I know I make. That’s my problem and I own it. It’s fine and even helpful that you pointed it out.

And you are an adult. These are still kids that Clark has to manage in terms of their mental state and level of respect.

Ok, let’s try this one last time. Look back at my post, I have never advocated for any of our coaches to pick out and publicly embarrass a single player or a group. What I said was I can’t understand our head coach saying he has “complete confidence” in us making short yardage running plays or “complete confidence” in our D being able to hold up on a short field. Those are things we haven’t done well this year. Coach Clark could have simply not made that statement. He didn’t have to publicly criticize anybody. I stand by my original point that the 4th down try on our side of the field was a poor choice that didn’t play to our strengths.

[AppSt94]

You’re going to kill the other teams spirit in the first five minutes? STOP, this isn’t going to happen.

Turnovers are momentum plays, we offered our opponent one of those on our side of the field. Punt the ball and give your defense more opportunities to stop them.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take, have we lost all sense of situational football decisions.

I should have known better than debate someone who is incapable of acknowledging that any opinion not of his own creation is wrong. Have a great day.

Two way street.

That’s fair.

Mr Openminded,
Can you name one call Clark has made which was seen as 80% unconventional that you disagreed with? I agreed with his call to go for two vs NC at home dues or the circumstances of the offenses that day. I argued for it in the stands versus my group and at the tailgate with fans on both sides. Let’s hear an example where you disagreed with a call.

My honest answer is no, I don’t disagree with his calls in the moment for the following reasons: 1) I’m not in possession of the factors and variables that go into his decisions. 2) The analytics say that you go for 4th and 1 from well inside your own territory so it was the right call. 3) He knows his team better than any of us on this board. 4) The results of the play are generally dictated by execution, not the call.

I am a fan. I’m just not a fanatic. I look at everything through analytics and void of emotion. I don’t spend time in hindsight.

And yes, you are correct in your argument that we should have gone for two. It was the right call. But again, the play call was correct, it was executed poorly.

[AppSt94]

This is such a BS response. Some of you guys think you must be a complete cheer leader or your not a fan. I’m not for participation trophies. If guys aren’t getting it done its ok if the coach says so. Those guys all ready know their not getting it done. Ever heard the saying, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem? The guys on this team should be able to stand up to some criticism. But the truth is I was really criticizing the coach for putting them in a bad situation.

It’s you are, or, you’re. Also, it’s they are or they’re.

How do you like the public criticism of your lack of knowledge of the English language?

No one is saying that Clark isn’t critical of individual performances. But those comments take place in his office or in film study. Not for the public.

Actually my problem with spelling is something I’m aware of. I didn’t slow down long enough to go back and look for the mistakes I know I make. That’s my problem and I own it. It’s fine and even helpful that you pointed it out.

And you are an adult. These are still kids that Clark has to manage in terms of their mental state and level of respect.

Ok, let’s try this one last time. Look back at my post, I have never advocated for any of our coaches to pick out and publicly embarrass a single player or a group. What I said was I can’t understand our head coach saying he has “complete confidence” in us making short yardage running plays or “complete confidence” in our D being able to hold up on a short field. Those are things we haven’t done well this year. Coach Clark could have simply not made that statement. He didn’t have to publicly criticize anybody. I stand by my original point that the 4th down try on our side of the field was a poor choice that didn’t play to our strengths.

Fair enough. You don’t have to be satisfied with what Coach says or doesn’t say. It is what it is. I’ll no longer question your right to shout your displeasures into the void that is this message board. You want better, go ask him to give you more.

[appst89]

I’ll no longer question your right to shout your displeasures into the void that is this message board.

This is not directed at you 94, but it's a perfect segue into a rant that's been building for a while, so thanks for providing the launching point.

What else is a message board for?

Everyone who posts here is probably a little more avid than most fans. This is a place where they can shout, vent, cheer. celebrate, or grieve, and should be able to do so without being made fun of or called out or accused of being less than someone else because of their views.

This board has a long history of people who were happy to tell everyone they were a better fan than you and were happy to tell you how to spend your money whether you wanted their advice or not. Thankfully, most of those folks left years ago. It seems that we have a lot of that creeping back in lately. App State is something we are all passionate about or we wouldn't be here. Just cut each other some slack and don't be so eager to jump all over someone because they don't see it the same way you do.

[BeauFoster]

I’ll no longer question your right to shout your displeasures into the void that is this message board.

This is not directed at you 94, but it's a perfect segue into a rant that's been building for a while, so thanks for providing the launching point.

What else is a message board for?

Everyone who posts here is probably a little more avid than most fans. This is a place where they can shout, vent, cheer. celebrate, or grieve, and should be able to do so without being made fun of or called out or accused of being less than someone else because of their views.

This board has a long history of people who were happy to tell everyone they were a better fan than you and were happy to tell you how to spend your money whether you wanted their advice or not. Thankfully, most of those folks left years ago. It seems that we have a lot of that creeping back in lately. App State is something we are all passionate about or we wouldn't be here. Just cut each other some slack and don't be so eager to jump all over someone because they don't see it the same way you do.

Funny, I just had this same convo earlier today with someone else.

[bcoach]

Actually this is all meaningless. There is not a single person on this board that any coach or player needs to answer to. We are all just a bunch of folks who love APP football. We are also a bunch of folks who think we have all the answers and we really don't. We just want to win and have become VERY used to doing so. We don't want to face the facts and I get that. We don't have the personal that we have been saying that we do and we have a coach who is new to the job both on AND OFF the field. Both of those situations will improve. Just look at the situation. We have the results of some very bad decisions on the part of the NCAA due to covid. We have some recruiting that has not been up to what we are used to. We have NIL which is a problem that is going to grow and we have this transfer portal crap. That is a whole lot of changes in the last few years. What we really need to do is just take a breath. I continually see on here that DG walks on water. If that is the case then let him handle it. With all the sniping that guys are doing at each other it is starting to sound like dems and repubs instead of members of the same loyal fanbase.

[Saint3333]

I should have known better than debate someone who is incapable of acknowledging that any opinion not of his own creation is wrong. Have a great day.

Two way street.

That’s fair.

Mr Openminded,
Can you name one call Clark has made which was seen as 80% unconventional that you disagreed with? I agreed with his call to go for two vs NC at home dues or the circumstances of the offenses that day. I argued for it in the stands versus my group and at the tailgate with fans on both sides. Let’s hear an example where you disagreed with a call.

My honest answer is no, I don’t disagree with his calls in the moment for the following reasons: 1) I’m not in possession of the factors and variables that go into his decisions. 2) The analytics say that you go for 4th and 1 from well inside your own territory so it was the right call. 3) He knows his team better than any of us on this board. 4) The results of the play are generally dictated by execution, not the call.

I am a fan. I’m just not a fanatic. I look at everything through analytics and void of emotion. I don’t spend time in hindsight.

And yes, you are correct in your argument that we should have gone for two. It was the right call. But again, the play call was correct, it was executed poorly.

The circular referencing and contradiction within your post here is impressive.

You are certainly spending time in hindsight posting this.

I'm struggling to follow your logic here. So you would never disagree with a call a coach makes, but you can agree it was the right call?

You won't disagree with the call and will only follow analytics leaving out emotion therefore the coach must use the same analytics you utilize? 90% of coaches (and I'm being generous here) would have punted that ball on the first drive on their own 40 going against a three score underdog. Where are these analytics that all these coaches are ignoring?

Execution does not make the decision "correct" or "incorrect", it is part of the equation. That is using hindsight to decide if the decision worked, very different.

This is a long way to say it was an unorthodox call to go for it.

[AppSt94]

Two way street.

That’s fair.

Mr Openminded,
Can you name one call Clark has made which was seen as 80% unconventional that you disagreed with? I agreed with his call to go for two vs NC at home dues or the circumstances of the offenses that day. I argued for it in the stands versus my group and at the tailgate with fans on both sides. Let’s hear an example where you disagreed with a call.

My honest answer is no, I don’t disagree with his calls in the moment for the following reasons: 1) I’m not in possession of the factors and variables that go into his decisions. 2) The analytics say that you go for 4th and 1 from well inside your own territory so it was the right call. 3) He knows his team better than any of us on this board. 4) The results of the play are generally dictated by execution, not the call.

I am a fan. I’m just not a fanatic. I look at everything through analytics and void of emotion. I don’t spend time in hindsight.

And yes, you are correct in your argument that we should have gone for two. It was the right call. But again, the play call was correct, it was executed poorly.

The circular referencing and contradiction within your post here is impressive.

You are certainly spending time in hindsight posting this.

I'm struggling to follow your logic here. So you would never disagree with a call a coach makes, but you can agree it was the right call?

You won't disagree with the call and will only follow analytics leaving out emotion therefore the coach must use the same analytics you utilize? 90% of coaches (and I'm being generous here) would have punted that ball on the first drive on their own 40 going against a three score underdog. Where are these analytics that all these coaches are ignoring?

Execution does not make the decision "correct" or "incorrect", it is part of the equation. That is using hindsight to decide if the decision worked, very different.

This is a long way to say it was an unorthodox call to go for it.

Agree to disagree.

[Saint3333]

Oh I know, you'd just contradict yourself again if you tried.

Thanks for putting down your shovel.

[AppSt94]

Oh I know, you'd just contradict yourself again if you tried.

Thanks for putting down your shovel.

I’m not conceding that you are right. Just conceding that I have better things to do than argue with you.

It was the correct call. If you don’t want to understand that then that’s on you. I don’t question the coaches calls because they know more than me. If I felt the need to ask why a certain call was made, I choose to go ask Shawn and or Lance directly, versus coming on a message board and say that they were wrong because it isn’t what I would do from my seat in the stands. Peace out.

[Black Saturday]

To open a new window and let some different air in.....Who is pulling for ULL tonight besides me? Seems blasphemous, but things change.