Foot Shooting

[appst89]

If the call is targeting only, then the penalty is wiped out and the play stands if the video review shows no targeting.

If the call is personal foul with targeting, then the personal foul penalty will stand and the yardage will be enforced even if the targeting is reversed by the review.

[proasu89]

There was a reason Andy only gave Barney 1 bullet. We had a whole dadgum pocket full yesterday.

[T-Dog]

Ref didn't describe it well, but it was a personal foul plus targeting originally. The targeting was overturned, but personal foul remained, which was the right call IMO. A stupid, needless hit by Stout that wiped away a touchdown.

[APPRIDE]

And quite honestly the QB did turn his head to see the hit coming. It was a bad call. The QB had his bell rung earlier but they never checked him for a concussion. If you saw the game you saw their QB moving his neck around after a hit.

This. I posted in the game chat that if you watch the slo mo replay the block was shoulder to shoulder but the awkwardness of it caused the qb's helmet to whiplash into Stouts helmet which then caused the qb to get knocked out which was because he was still woozy from the Flory hit on the previous play...probably why he threw the int.

If the qb is running towards the play, how is Stout, who is reacting as a competive player is inclined to act, supposed to know:
A. it's the QB?
B. he's too far away to make a play?

The block was clean, shoulder to shoulder, the QB saw it coming as he turned his head to see Stout before the block.
When the qb was knocked out I was like THAT hit knocked him out? That's why I am of the opinion it was really the play before that hurt him to the point that the Stout block was too much too soon after the play before

[AppSt94]

I agree, the hit itself didn't cause him to get knocked out.

[APPRIDE]

No I am not suggesting that our players on our sideline should have rushed the field. Not by any measure is that acceptable. However, once the UMass player got up from being shoved out of bounds, he and several of his teammates surrounded Franklin. The QB even initiated a helmet to helmet contact while getting in Franklin's face. Understandably their players are upset, especially after having their teammate carted off the field. But they were the aggressors after the hit, which wasn't terribly vicious, but the right call.

key words highlighted above...he was in bounds when hit. Franklin knocked him out of bounds. What was Franklin supposed to do? let him just go by?
This is why I say we should tackle to the ground in that situation instead of the blasting of the runner into the stratosphere which will draw the politically correct flag every time.

But the play was clean, did not see the qb headed out of bounds on his own...he was trying to run the sideline for as many yards as he could get...

[WVAPPeer]

And quite honestly the QB did turn his head to see the hit coming. It was a bad call. The QB had his bell rung earlier but they never checked him for a concussion. If you saw the game you saw their QB moving his neck around after a hit.

This. I posted in the game chat that if you watch the slo mo replay the block was shoulder to shoulder but the awkwardness of it caused the qb's helmet to whiplash into Stouts helmet which then caused the qb to get knocked out which was because he was still woozy from the Flory hit on the previous play...probably why he threw the int.

If the qb is running towards the play, how is Stout, who is reacting as a competive player is inclined to act, supposed to know:
A. it's the QB?
B. he's too far away to make a play?

The block was clean, shoulder to shoulder, the QB saw it coming as he turned his head to see Stout before the block.
When the qb was knocked out I was like THAT hit knocked him out? That's why I am of the opinion it was really the play before that hurt him to the point that the Stout block was too much too soon after the play before

My wife said the exact same thing - that he was moving his head back and forth prior to the play we are discussing - I didn't notice it but she said it to me a couple of times ---
And I again have to disagree - this time with Tdog, I believe, I wish Stout had let him go but it wasn't a stupid play - it's football and as I and several others have stated, the QB saw Stout coming, he ducked his shoulder, Stout hit him shoulder to shoulder and it wasn't a clip

[T-Dog]

I'm watching the game right now. The Franklin hit was out of bounds as the runner stepped out. The runner gave himself up.

I'm tired off these stupid penalties.

[bcoach]

I'm watching the game right now. The Franklin hit was out of bounds as the runner stepped out. The runner gave himself up.

I'm tired off these stupid penalties.

The coaches and much of this board are not, so we are just going to have to get used to it.

[APPRIDE]

I'm watching the game right now. The Franklin hit was out of bounds as the runner stepped out. The runner gave himself up.

I'm tired off these stupid penalties.

Whoops, my fat finger thanked you! But I do respect your opinion t-dog...could you create a clip or gif of the push to post here somehow? When I watched the replay I did not see it as the QB clearly giving himself up or clearly heading out of bounds, maybe I'm wrong and I did not record the game to see the play again.

[AppSt94]

No I am not suggesting that our players on our sideline should have rushed the field. Not by any measure is that acceptable. However, once the UMass player got up from being shoved out of bounds, he and several of his teammates surrounded Franklin. The QB even initiated a helmet to helmet contact while getting in Franklin's face. Understandably their players are upset, especially after having their teammate carted off the field. But they were the aggressors after the hit, which wasn't terribly vicious, but the right call.

key words highlighted above...he was in bounds when hit. Franklin knocked him out of bounds. What was Franklin supposed to do? let him just go by?
This is why I say we should tackle to the ground in that situation instead of the blasting of the runner into the stratosphere which will draw the politically correct flag every time.

But the play was clean, did not see the qb headed out of bounds on his own...he was trying to run the sideline for as many yards as he could get...

As T-DOG stated, he wasn't in bounds. He had given himself up and was a half a step out of bounds, but it was a push not a hit and he was still full speed and it's hard to stop on a dime. Stil. The right call though. The Stout call was BS.

[T-Dog]

[T-Dog]

[AppSt94]

Im still waiting to see how Stout's hit caused him to lay motionless for 10 minutes.

[WVAPPeer]

I think it was the way his head hit the ground...

[APPRIDE]

OK, thanks for posting that video T-dog...I see where at the last second the QB tucks the ball and slows up a step. I am wrong there. Not sure he was out of bounds though until the actual hit? Again, I wish we would wrap up and tackle there.

[AppinATL]

Im still waiting to see how Stout's hit caused him to lay motionless for 10 minutes.

and I am still waiting to see how that's a penalty in any shape or form.

[APPRIDE]

Ok, again, thanks for posting the video T-dog...

On this one, I think many viewers are not able to see what REALLY happened. (It is the JFK docs release party weekend, lol)

During the game in chat and on the sunbelt board, many were complaining about the video resolution...very grainy, low res...

But I watched the game on my iPad mini and the resolution was crystal clear on the small screen. During the slo mo on my iPad you could clearly see the two helmets collide into each other as the qb's head whip lashes into Stouts as a result of the shoulder block. In the video t-dog posted above, the resolution is so bad you can't see that split second event happening...so to answer the question asked below t-dogs post, imo it was not the ground causing the blackout it was the 2 helmets colliding which cannot be seen in the low res video above...

[appfanz]

The bottom line is that in all of our games this year, except for Georgia, won or lost, we had the opportunity to win by 2-3 touchdowns but didn’t because of the stupid mistakes.

[T-Dog]

Now that I've seen it, I'm more made about the jet sweep call on 3rd and 2 to win the game than any of the penalties. I know we run it up the middle on 3rd/4th and short a lot, but it was working late in the game.