Fire Nick Saban Now!

[AppinATL]

Totally missing the point. This is not comparing our situation to Alabama’s. This is very cleverly written parody. Pointing out how idiotic a portion of our fan base behaves.

Ehh, not really that clever. Just picking at really low hanging fruit with a really dumb parody comparison. I guess if you consider fans who hold the program to high standards as idiots then we should just accept mediocrity with a smile. That is quite the loser attitude. I guess if that is what floats y'all's boats you are free to feel that way.

It’s not about mediocrity at all. It’s about accepting that it is what it is and trying to understand what WE as fans, alumni and donors can do to assist with helping right the ship, rather than ranting about firing coaches and getting offended when those that choose to complain are asked to put skin in the game. Having high standards for some thing that you have no control over isn’t a winning attitude. Being unhappy about the record isn’t a winning attitude. Understanding why it is what it is isn’t accepting, nor is it a loser’s mentality.

Your just whining and complaining about stuff you can’t control. It’s a bad look.

So what's your recommendation/solution? Donate more? To hang in there and hope a head coach who doesn't have the experience to show he can turn things around can turn things around?

BTW, I called this original post Sarcastic as I knew the point.

However from my perspective, I want SC to succeed. Always have and always will want that. But he is going to have to be willing to take an honest look in the mirror and make the adjustments needed across the board. I am not prescribing what those actions are as I don’t have all the facts from inside the program nor am I claiming to be some expert. I do know what I see and I see chronic reoccurring issues over the last few years that should not be ignored or we will get worse. I would reach out to some folks outside the bubble that could be trusted for a perspective I.e. Dabo or similar. I would really find out how successful programs are being run. This is a start.

And this post right here is totally fine. We don’t have to be happy about whats gone on this season. I, too believe SC needs to take a long look at his performance and his assistant’s performance this year. The lack of creativity in play calling, the waste of the talent in our RB and Receiver rooms, etc.

Its the over the top tantrums calling for people to be fired posts titled “App Football= POOP” and on that are not helping. It makes the fan base look bad and uneducated. It certainty can’t help the players that may read this to say nothing of the potential damage to recruiting.

Its a low rent trailer trash look and ghat’s not the image we would want to project.

[appdaze]

Ehh, not really that clever. Just picking at really low hanging fruit with a really dumb parody comparison. I guess if you consider fans who hold the program to high standards as idiots then we should just accept mediocrity with a smile. That is quite the loser attitude. I guess if that is what floats y'all's boats you are free to feel that way.

It’s not about mediocrity at all. It’s about accepting that it is what it is and trying to understand what WE as fans, alumni and donors can do to assist with helping right the ship, rather than ranting about firing coaches and getting offended when those that choose to complain are asked to put skin in the game. Having high standards for some thing that you have no control over isn’t a winning attitude. Being unhappy about the record isn’t a winning attitude. Understanding why it is what it is isn’t accepting, nor is it a loser’s mentality.

Your just whining and complaining about stuff you can’t control. It’s a bad look.

So what's your recommendation/solution? Donate more? To hang in there and hope a head coach who doesn't have the experience to show he can turn things around can turn things around?

BTW, I called this original post Sarcastic as I knew the point.

However from my perspective, I want SC to succeed. Always have and always will want that. But he is going to have to be willing to take an honest look in the mirror and make the adjustments needed across the board. I am not prescribing what those actions are as I don’t have all the facts from inside the program nor am I claiming to be some expert. I do know what I see and I see chronic reoccurring issues over the last few years that should not be ignored or we will get worse. I would reach out to some folks outside the bubble that could be trusted for a perspective I.e. Dabo or similar. I would really find out how successful programs are being run. This is a start.

And this post right here is totally fine. We don’t have to be happy about whats gone on this season. I, too believe SC needs to take a long look at his performance and his assistant’s performance this year. The lack of creativity in play calling, the waste of the talent in our RB and Receiver rooms, etc.

Its the over the top tantrums calling for people to be fired posts titled “App Football= POOP” and on that are not helping. It makes the fan base look bad and uneducated. It certainty can’t help the players that may read this to say nothing of the potential damage to recruiting.

Its a low rent trailer trash look and ghat’s not the image we would want to project.

I'm not really sure the ones criticizing the coaching staff are the idiots/trash/other pathetic titles. I'm pretty sure I just call them fans that care. Now the people on here like yourself who just keep calling people stupid, idiot, low-rent trailer trash, etc, should really take a loooooong look in the mirror. The personal attacks like that are pretty childish and don't exactly give any of you a great image. It's both pathetic and unfortunate that you guys keep doing that over and over and over in these threads. I honestly hope that one day y'all will grow up a bit and move past the grade school mess. You're no better than the dude who threw all his personal info on here and was trying to get people to meet him in real life, too, I guess, fight or something. It's just pitiful. Be a grown-up. Agree to disagree and chill.

[TheAppalachianState]

This is a totally stupid thread to compare our situation to Saban.

Saban lost 6 games in first year and then ONLY one season since with 3 losses. All other seasons were 2 or less losses thru 2021. This is over 15 years. That’s Fifteen years of coaching to reiterate. All at the highest level of college football, the SEC.

While at Bama:
185-27 record in 15 seasons
8 SEC championships
6 National Championships

You compare that to a HC with less than three years with each year progressively getting worse and we have not made it through the third year yet. What are you thinking?

My post is NOT to knock our HC but to call out how ridiculous your sarcastic comment is. Do not insult us with this nonsense comparing the two.

Valid

[Seattleapp]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

Are you kidding? Own your position. You never wanted Clark hired in the first place. Don’t play games now.

[Seattleapp]

It’s not about mediocrity at all. It’s about accepting that it is what it is and trying to understand what WE as fans, alumni and donors can do to assist with helping right the ship, rather than ranting about firing coaches and getting offended when those that choose to complain are asked to put skin in the game. Having high standards for some thing that you have no control over isn’t a winning attitude. Being unhappy about the record isn’t a winning attitude. Understanding why it is what it is isn’t accepting, nor is it a loser’s mentality.

Your just whining and complaining about stuff you can’t control. It’s a bad look.

So what's your recommendation/solution? Donate more? To hang in there and hope a head coach who doesn't have the experience to show he can turn things around can turn things around?

BTW, I called this original post Sarcastic as I knew the point.

However from my perspective, I want SC to succeed. Always have and always will want that. But he is going to have to be willing to take an honest look in the mirror and make the adjustments needed across the board. I am not prescribing what those actions are as I don’t have all the facts from inside the program nor am I claiming to be some expert. I do know what I see and I see chronic reoccurring issues over the last few years that should not be ignored or we will get worse. I would reach out to some folks outside the bubble that could be trusted for a perspective I.e. Dabo or similar. I would really find out how successful programs are being run. This is a start.

And this post right here is totally fine. We don’t have to be happy about whats gone on this season. I, too believe SC needs to take a long look at his performance and his assistant’s performance this year. The lack of creativity in play calling, the waste of the talent in our RB and Receiver rooms, etc.

Its the over the top tantrums calling for people to be fired posts titled “App Football= POOP” and on that are not helping. It makes the fan base look bad and uneducated. It certainty can’t help the players that may read this to say nothing of the potential damage to recruiting.

Its a low rent trailer trash look and ghat’s not the image we would want to project.

I'm not really sure the ones criticizing the coaching staff are the idiots/trash/other pathetic titles. I'm pretty sure I just call them fans that care. Now the people on here like yourself who just keep calling people stupid, idiot, low-rent trailer trash, etc, should really take a loooooong look in the mirror. The personal attacks like that are pretty childish and don't exactly give any of you a great image. It's both pathetic and unfortunate that you guys keep doing that over and over and over in these threads. I honestly hope that one day y'all will grow up a bit and move past the grade school mess. You're no better than the dude who threw all his personal info on here and was trying to get people to meet him in real life, too, I guess, fight or something. It's just pitiful. Be a grown-up. Agree to disagree and chill.

I like both you and appatl as posters. And I suspect you both fall on the same side of the coin more often than not. Don’t let the irrational haters on this board splinter the shared positions you both have. It’s their venom that pits the rational folks against one another that drives me crazy. You two are both sound fans now at each other. Don’t take the bait

[AppStFan1]

This is inexcusable ... It is the 1st week of November and Bama is no longer eligible for College Football Playoff. I'm tired of seeing the regression of this program. From not winning a Championship last year to not even competing for a championship this year. We have REGRESSED!
The secondary can't cover anyone, after Tennessee throw all over us, now LSU has marched up and down the field and nothing we could do to stop it. The DC needs to go ...
Are you ok with not being in the CFP talk now?!? Cause I'm not. We have the best talent in all of college football and can't even make the playoff. This is all on the coaches.
Oh, and what's up with all these Aflac commercials??? Shouldn't he be focused on making the CFP instead of feeding his greedy pockets with advertising?
Change needs to be made & now or we will never be relevant again.

I should know what's best, I watch a lot of football and stayed at a Holliday Inn last night.

Fire Saban!

It is stupid to fire Clark quite this early as I think we need to see how he looks in 2023 but to compare Saban with Clark is crazy. If Clark had 5 Sun Belt titles, 2 NY6 appearances, and 8 bowl wins then he would have the impressive record to overlook one down year. I think the folks who are against Clark fear that he took a title team and has had them drop down to an average team who is just fighting to be bowl eligible. You are basically comparing a GOAT to a first time head coach in his 3rd season.

[BambooRdApp]

CoachRob - you have had a good day. I have had a good day laughing at many of the posts....and posts that got deleted...fun times...

[Stonewall]

Nick isn't 1-2 against Coastal Carolina .

[appgrad95&97]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

Are you kidding? Own your position. You never wanted Clark hired in the first place. Don’t play games now.

I did own my position. I didn't like the hire, but I have never called for a firing.

[appgrad95&97]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

Some have said, not in this thread, that Clark may not be or is not the right man for the job. That is a passive/aggressive way of calling for him to be fired.

A few called him a lazy hire, not qualified, no offensive lineman has been successful, too much of a players coach, etc.

I have definitely called it lazy hire. I was not sure he was prepared for the job. I stand by that. I also have said that I was pulling for him and that i hope he would grow into the job. Personally, i have not called for his firing or anyone on his staff. But I see no indication I was wrong in 2019, and I don't think he's growing as a coach.

Literally work owned, Seattle.

[TheAppalachianState]

I’m with the OP! Fire Saban and give an extension to our real savior of the season, Dale Jones!

[AppSt94]

This is a totally stupid thread to compare our situation to Saban.

Saban lost 6 games in first year and then ONLY one season since with 3 losses. All other seasons were 2 or less losses thru 2021. This is over 15 years. That’s Fifteen years of coaching to reiterate. All at the highest level of college football, the SEC.

While at Bama:
185-27 record in 15 seasons
8 SEC championships
6 National Championships

You compare that to a HC with less than three years with each year progressively getting worse and we have not made it through the third year yet. What are you thinking?

My post is NOT to knock our HC but to call out how ridiculous your sarcastic comment is. Do not insult us with this nonsense comparing the two.

Totally missing the point. This is not comparing our situation to Alabama’s. This is very cleverly written parody. Pointing out how idiotic a portion of our fan base behaves.

Ehh, not really that clever. Just picking at really low hanging fruit with a really dumb parody comparison. I guess if you consider fans who hold the program to high standards as idiots then we should just accept mediocrity with a smile. That is quite the loser attitude. I guess if that is what floats y'all's boats you are free to feel that way.

It’s not about mediocrity at all. It’s about accepting that it is what it is and trying to understand what WE as fans, alumni and donors can do to assist with helping right the ship, rather than ranting about firing coaches and getting offended when those that choose to complain are asked to put skin in the game. Having high standards for some thing that you have no control over isn’t a winning attitude. Being unhappy about the record isn’t a winning attitude. Understanding why it is what it is isn’t accepting, nor is it a loser’s mentality.

Your just whining and complaining about stuff you can’t control. It’s a bad look.

So what's your recommendation/solution? Donate more? To hang in there and hope a head coach who doesn't have the experience to show he can turn things around can turn things around?

My solution is to actually take a step back from the ledge and take a deep dive into what is actually going on.

Defense: Clark inherited a loaded defense in 2020. 5 future NFL guys on that 2020 defense. But look past that and you will see that there was absolutely no depth on the backend or the DL. We have one CB on the roster that was recruited out of high school from 2018-2021. Some of that can be attributed to poor recruiting, some to bad luck, some to grades, and some to neglect. One factor that most people ignore that is an issue is that we haven’t had any consistency in secondary coaches for a few years. Where that comes into play is that each coach has certain attributes that they value over others so when a new coach takes over, he has to work with stuff that he isn’t comfortable with.

Offense: I think we can all agree that what we are seeing is a head scratcher. Too many pieces in place to not be good. Well there in lies the issue. It looks better on paper than it really is. Since Clark took over as HC, we haven’t had very good coaching on the OL. Cardwell was OK but OL isn’t in his wheelhouse. Enter Geep Wade who hasn’t panned out. In fact, Clark coached the OL the week of Ga St.

So while I understand the frustration, the experts on this board don’t know more about coaching football than Clark, and no one on this board know the ins and outs of this program as well as Clark does. Clark knows where the problems are and has plans to fix them. Some of those issues are being addressed by Gillin and Everts. Shawn has their support so why shouldn’t we?

No one cares about the fires that a CEO is dealing with when the stock price is good, they only question his ability to put them out when the stock is low. So my solution is to let Clark do his job. Let Gillin do his job and allow him to evaluate the job being done.

[BambooRdApp]

Yep, Saban is on his last days at Bama...I wonder who will be the interim coach.

[bigdaddyg]

This recent era of 18-25 year old college players is just different from the norm. We have our own 6th year QB. Schools have plugged holes with free agents. Ive said for years that amazingly our opponents actually recruit, practice and compete just as hard as we do. While I believe we have talent I also believe these blanket descriptions of our "loaded roster " gets overblown at times. What evidence exists that proves our roster is really any better than half of our opponents? Even back in the FCS glory days we still routinely lost our share of games. The overall level of the Sunbelt is markedly different than 5 years ago. Look at the difference at La now. They changed coaches and lost some players and have dropped a few notches. Let's win out and get a decent bowl game.

[Rekdiver]

Everything is relative….Good post Coach Rob.

[Cro-Magnon App]

Haters gonna hate. Whiners gonna whine. The powers-that-be that do the hiring and firing sure won’t be swayed one twit by comments on a message board.

Some folks just gonna criticize. Go criticize the English Dept., or the Music Dept., or the maintenance staff, or the ……..

But I, it’s always our sports teams and coaches.

[Yosef84]

Not a Saban fan, but I do respect what he has accomplished. He said it very accurately and didn't sugar coat anything. I think it's good to acknowledge that they other team was playing hard too instead of just "sometimes we beat ourselves too much" but I suppose it's not his job to motivate the other team or appease their fans. Personally, I like the way Clark handles his press conferences. Yes, there is a lot of coach speak, but that's true for almost any good coach (including Saban). It is always clear when he is upset or disappointed but he takes ownership. I have faith he is working, and will continue to work on the issues. That doesn't have to happen in the public eye.

I also think it's pretty funny that this thread was taken so seriously by a few. Pretty obviously intended for sarcasm.

[BambooRdApp]

Any news out of Tuscaloosa today? Saban going to be on the sideline this Saturday?

[AppSt94]

Any news out of Tuscaloosa today? Saban going to be on the sideline this Saturday?

Yes. But I hear security around him will be tight. I’m hearing that he will be wearing full body armor to protect him from pissed off hunters.

[Yosefus]

App State in not too many ways compares to Alabama. They are in an entirely different category than us. However, I did just watch a YouTube video Late Kick with Josh Pate. It was on Alabama the last 2 years. You could easily have substituted App State for Alabama in his commentary and not known the difference. Close games vs opponents. Losing to teams you shouldn't. No identity? How much have you enjoyed watching this team the last couple of years? Are changes coming? For sure Saban is not on the hot seat. Neither is Clark. But both will need to make changes for next season to be relevant.

I don't know how to copy and paste the video. Sorry folks.