Moving on to Marshall

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by MrCraig » Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:35 am

AppWyo wrote:
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Hoping the crowd is better for Marsh than USM. A lot of empty seats after half even from students. I’m sure homecoming had something to do with it.

Think that may have been the first time I’ve almost seen 2 App fans get in a fight in the stands as well. Though the younger one being plastered was the main culprit.
Homecoming always is a hard game to win. So much other stuff is going on besides the game, it is easy to get distracted.

Something I had not considered until now is that hitting the portal is not as easy as it might seem. I imagine some players hit the portal, not because they are not getting playing time, but because they feel that they can get a better NIL deal elsewhere. Appalachian does not have the kind of NIL money that some schools do. Also, I do not think you really want that kind of player or coach on your team.
There was a statistic going around last off season; I can’t remember it exactly. It was something like over 40% of players who enter the portal never come out. They just never get picked up by another team and drop out of football entirely.

I’ve said before, the portal doesn’t change THAT much about football. It just makes it easier for players to switch schools, and they don’t have to sit a year. The big schools with lots of money have almost always gotten the bigger recruits, and that has stayed the same. The money stuff is just above the table now.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:25 am

Let's go 1-0 this week and beat Jan's sister...Marsha, Marsha, Marsha..

Would be nice to see the black Yosef helmets this weekend.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by RaleighApp27609 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:40 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:45 pm
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puke

Nope, that's the old APP
Now we win by 10 and give them a 2 pt conversion
What was the reasoning for not doing the PAT on the last TD yesterday?
Do you understand how football scores work, TD, FG, 2 point conversion, PAT, safety, and what happens if a failed 2 point conversion goes the other way in college football?

Thanks for the insightful and non-rude response. Last I checked App was up two scores at the time of the TD. For Southern Miss to even tie after App's last TD with eight seconds left multiple very unlikely events would have to occur. If you feel safe throwing a pass for the final TD, why back away from a PAT?
The pass was to corner of end zone. Little or no chance for interception. If PAT blocked and returned, there was a chance that it could be returned for 2 point return. That the would have put them within 8. Onside kick...then a crazy miracle TD with 2 point conversion... would tie game...
By not doing the PAT, made it's thematically impossible for SMU to win...
I figured that list of what-ifs was why we didn't do the PAT. Don't recall seeing that in a game before.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:49 am

RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:40 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:45 pm
RaleighApp27609 wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:38 pm
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Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:08 pm
RaleighApp27609 wrote:
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What was the reasoning for not doing the PAT on the last TD yesterday?
Do you understand how football scores work, TD, FG, 2 point conversion, PAT, safety, and what happens if a failed 2 point conversion goes the other way in college football?

Thanks for the insightful and non-rude response. Last I checked App was up two scores at the time of the TD. For Southern Miss to even tie after App's last TD with eight seconds left multiple very unlikely events would have to occur. If you feel safe throwing a pass for the final TD, why back away from a PAT?
The pass was to corner of end zone. Little or no chance for interception. If PAT blocked and returned, there was a chance that it could be returned for 2 point return. That the would have put them within 8. Onside kick...then a crazy miracle TD with 2 point conversion... would tie game...
By not doing the PAT, made it's thematically impossible for SMU to win...
I figured that list of what-ifs was why we didn't do the PAT. Don't recall seeing that in a game before.
Agreed. Have not seen the 4th down pass in Q4 with so little time left...as well as the kneel down in the PAT. It was refreshing to see.
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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by 311neers » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:57 am

Castle was suited up for USM and moving around well on the sidelines. Celebrating and all, looks to be healthy. Not sure if he saw PT on Special teams or not though.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by RadioNeer98 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:07 am

With 4 games left we have to win at least 2 of them to be bowl eligible (6-6 BIG LETDOWN). Defense has to be better no if ands or buts about it. Saturday night is a MUST WIN. If we win we only got to pull out 1 win in the last 3 but a loss to Marshall and boy oh boy....... IDK where we get 2 W's in the last 3. This Saturday night could easily decide the future of the coaching staff (If its not already been decided).

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by YesAppCan » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:17 am

311neers wrote:
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Castle was suited up for USM and moving around well on the sidelines. Celebrating and all, looks to be healthy. Not sure if he saw PT on Special teams or not though.
That's great to hear. Shawn Clark mentioned that they want to play him in 4 games to preserve red-shirt.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:33 am

311neers wrote:
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Castle was suited up for USM and moving around well on the sidelines. Celebrating and all, looks to be healthy. Not sure if he saw PT on Special teams or not though.
Burger was suited up as well. If healthy, good to have him back as the backup... which I hope we do not need
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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by Longrifle28 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:08 am

This is the fourth game in a row we are favored, although it is very close. We are 1 and 2 the last three weeks and we were favored by all 3 ranking systems that I check.

Against common opponents we are 1-2 and they are 2-1. They managed to squeak by ODU 41-35. CCU beat the snot out of them.

Offensively we are better than them, defensively they are better than us (but not by much).

We should be able to throw on them, and should be able to run on them some also.

Again, this game will come down to defense. Will Fancher/Pennington and Ali have career days??? Will our linebackers and safeties be better somehow at run support and not biting on play action? If we see Pennington, I hope we see some pressure packages to give him something to have to think about.
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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by Black Saturday » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:14 am

Coastal was the beneficiary of 5 turnovers, although they may have won without those? Marshall isn't going to be an easy win if we win at all.
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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by kornegaylw » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:18 am

Anybody on this site that suggests coaching changes should also remember the financial and situational cost associated...~$2m to remove the coaches, another +~$2m for new ones and set back to development & recruiting. They should share their Yosef Club contribution confiramtion and ammount for the year as well just to show they are serious about the implications of their statements.

I'm so glad to see the team perservere and win yesterday. The youth & inexperience of this team combinded with a tortorous schedule this year has not been what you would hope for in a reset. Given that we are 2 plays from being 6-2 is commendable.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by yosef69 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:31 am

kornegaylw wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:18 am
Anybody on this site that suggests coaching changes should also remember the financial and situational cost associated...~$2m to remove the coaches, another +~$2m for new ones and set back to development & recruiting. They should share their Yosef Club contribution confiramtion and ammount for the year as well just to show they are serious about the implications of their statements.

I'm so glad to see the team perservere and win yesterday. The youth & inexperience of this team combinded with a tortorous schedule this year has not been what you would hope for in a reset. Given that we are 2 plays from being 6-2 is commendable.

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If we are two plays from 6-2 we are also 2 plays from 2-6. Consider it a wash.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:39 am

If there is a game for our dbs to play closer to line of scrimmage....this is it in my opinion. 14 seems better at the short passes...and suspect at longer throws. Take our chances iMHO

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by biggie » Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:56 am

Noel didn't feel right after his few carries.

Castle will play this week.


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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by kornegaylw » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:25 am

yosef69 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:31 am
kornegaylw wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:18 am
Anybody on this site that suggests coaching changes should also remember the financial and situational cost associated...~$2m to remove the coaches, another +~$2m for new ones and set back to development & recruiting. They should share their Yosef Club contribution confiramtion and ammount for the year as well just to show they are serious about the implications of their statements.

I'm so glad to see the team perservere and win yesterday. The youth & inexperience of this team combinded with a tortorous schedule this year has not been what you would hope for in a reset. Given that we are 2 plays from being 6-2 is commendable.

SUPPORT THIS TEAM!
If we are two plays from 6-2 we are also 2 plays from 2-6. Consider it a wash.
I've heard that argument about 1000 times and its the most weak response possible. Yes, we could be 2-6 but thats a glass half empty approach. This team isn't playing glass half empty football. If they were they wouldn't have come back and won on Saturday. They wouldn't have come back and beaten ULM. They wouldn't have battled back to have Coastal finished.

Given your response to my comment I imagine you're in the "Fire Clark" camp. What I'll say to you is go look at the schedule to date...Look at the travel required, competitions class year averge, how ULM, Coastal, ODU & SMU had bye's before they played us, how we lost Harringtion & McLeod, the youth and inexperience of this team, the improved conditioning and the in game adjustments observed...go look at all that and then tell me if you feel that "...they could just as well be 2-6..." is a fair statement.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by yosef69 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:28 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:39 am
If there is a game for our dbs to play closer to line of scrimmage....this is it in my opinion. 14 seems better at the short passes...and suspect at longer throws. Take our chances iMHO

Cannot speak to Pennington and strengths/weaknesses
Agree, we have to learn how to play press at some point. May as well do it against a weak passing attack.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by AppState2009 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:45 am

Marshall co-worker said it is a dumpster fire and coach has lost the locker room. That being said, I fully expect it to be a 1 possession game.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by biggie » Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:20 pm

Most of our recent opponents have looked horrible on offense until they meet our defense...

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by Pikapp79 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:55 pm

biggie wrote:
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Most of our recent opponents have looked horrible on offense until they meet our defense...
Amen! Our defense solves offensive problems.

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Re: Moving on to Marshall

Unread post by WASU 93 » Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:05 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:14 am
Coastal was the beneficiary of 5 turnovers, although they may have won without those? Marshall isn't going to be an easy win if we win at all.
Unless we create 4 or 5 turnovers

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