Blair

[mtnjax]

FWIW, Blair is still listed as a starter on the depth chart for Elon

[Kgfish]

I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students.

Well then you, sir, are ignorant to the dynamic of police work in the Boone area.

Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish.

Freedom is bad. Uncle Sam knows best. Heil Hitler.

Nice try at using the absurd. I've know a lot of ASU students who were not harassed by Boone or ASU Police their entire college stay. But they weren't being loud and obnoxious at 1 AM, staggering along the sidewalk, puking in people's yards or on public streets, driving with a "buzz" on, running stop signs or weaving as they drive.

You young un's can make fun of the old days all you want but back then punishment had a sting to it and it was taken seriously. Today they get a slap on the wrist and a warning they better be good little boys and girls. Meanwhile jails and homeless shelters are filled with people who benefited from our ever increasing lackadaisical judicial system. A lot of people today no longer have a healthy fear of the law or police. God forbid that a teacher or school administrator hurt little Johnny's feelings by disciplining him to try and get him on the right track.

And I suppose it's hard to stagger along the sidewalk, puke in people's yard or on public streets, drive with a "buzz" on, run stop signs or weave as you drive when you're busy walking up hill both ways barefoot in the snow. I'm not some wiper snapper college age guy that you're used to lecturing, but I am young enough to empathize with 18-22 year olds instead of writing them off as subhuman crazies, unworthy of rights as Americans and adults.

The vast majority of the kids that get busted in Boone aren't behaving in the exaggerated manner in which you've been characterizing. Most of them are good kids that decided to innocently try the devil's prune juice and aren't hurting anybody.

.04 is .04

You started off with a few absurdities and the harassment bit. Then kicked it up a notch with the Hitler line. But instead of going for the trifecta with the human rights deal you swung for the fences and went for the grand slam by adding in the American citizens comment. If that wasn't enough you then made a play for bonus point by tossing in another absurd comparison (subhuman crazies). For the life of me I don't know what to expect next but can't wait to see what the next characterization you pull out of your Saul Lewinski play book.

BTW, I don't know what a wiper snapper is - must be something for car windshield - but you are definitely a young-un as far as I'm concerned. If for no other reason than your constant whining and bitching about the police. If the Boone and ASU authorities are as oppressive as you make them out to be how does the university get a single student to hang around for more than 15 days? My gosh, if a guy can't even swerve his way over to McDonalds without being pulled over and accused of drinking and driving I'd be outta there in a New York City minute. Why continue living in a police state where conditions for the common folk are miserable and civil rights are denied on a daily basis?. I'm really having a hard time understanding why you chose to live in that social abyss run by old white guys who are only out to deny everyone under 30 the right to play loud music, party until late in the night and then drive home with a buzz on.

[Appalachman]

Blair is on the depth chart, but also on the injury report. Upper body - head competence issue?

[Gonzo]

I do not think for one minute they are out to get anyone or make examples of students.

Well then you, sir, are ignorant to the dynamic of police work in the Boone area.

Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish.

Freedom is bad. Uncle Sam knows best. Heil Hitler.

Nice try at using the absurd. I've know a lot of ASU students who were not harassed by Boone or ASU Police their entire college stay. But they weren't being loud and obnoxious at 1 AM, staggering along the sidewalk, puking in people's yards or on public streets, driving with a "buzz" on, running stop signs or weaving as they drive.

You young un's can make fun of the old days all you want but back then punishment had a sting to it and it was taken seriously. Today they get a slap on the wrist and a warning they better be good little boys and girls. Meanwhile jails and homeless shelters are filled with people who benefited from our ever increasing lackadaisical judicial system. A lot of people today no longer have a healthy fear of the law or police. God forbid that a teacher or school administrator hurt little Johnny's feelings by disciplining him to try and get him on the right track.

And I suppose it's hard to stagger along the sidewalk, puke in people's yard or on public streets, drive with a "buzz" on, run stop signs or weave as you drive when you're busy walking up hill both ways barefoot in the snow. I'm not some wiper snapper college age guy that you're used to lecturing, but I am young enough to empathize with 18-22 year olds instead of writing them off as subhuman crazies, unworthy of rights as Americans and adults.

The vast majority of the kids that get busted in Boone aren't behaving in the exaggerated manner in which you've been characterizing. Most of them are good kids that decided to innocently try the devil's prune juice and aren't hurting anybody.

.04 is .04

You started off with a few absurdities and the harassment bit. Then kicked it up a notch with the Hitler line. But instead of going for the trifecta with the human rights deal you swung for the fences and went for the grand slam by adding in the American citizens comment. If that wasn't enough you then made a play for bonus point by tossing in another absurd comparison (subhuman crazies). For the life of me I don't know what to expect next but can't wait to see what the next characterization you pull out of your Saul Lewinski play book.

BTW, I don't know what a wiper snapper is - must be something for car windshield - but you are definitely a young-un as far as I'm concerned. If for no other reason than your constant whining and bitching about the police. If the Boone and ASU authorities are as oppressive as you make them out to be how does the university get a single student to hang around for more than 15 days? My gosh, if a guy can't even swerve his way over to McDonalds without being pulled over and accused of drinking and driving I'd be outta there in a New York City minute. Why continue living in a police state where conditions for the common folk are miserable and civil rights are denied on a daily basis?. I'm really having a hard time understanding why you chose to live in that social abyss run by old white guys who are only out to deny everyone under 30 the right to play loud music, party until late in the night and then drive home with a buzz on.

My goodness can the fallacies flow from your fingertips when your dial-up connection is strong.

Let's be clear with the way this dialogue has progressed. You have taken a single person's .04 BAC and applied a universal characterization of "being loud and obnoxious at 1 AM, staggering along the sidewalk, puking in people's yards or on public streets, driving with a "buzz" on, running stop signs or weaving as they drive" to App students in general. It is very clear how you feel about App students. "Subhuman crazies that are not worthy of rights" is a fitting summary of your skewed perceptions.

"Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish" was a gem, further characterizing your moral-highgroundist approach. Apparently their liberty itself is offensive to you. I regret my hyperbolic nazi comment for the sake of my rhetoric in the topic at bar, but a despicable statement like that seemed at the time to warrant such language.

I have not directly stated nor implied that Boone is a police state. I understand law enforcement to be a necessary agency to any organized society. What I do not believe, however, is that the badge and the gun somehow suspends human nature or that things like profiling (be it racial, age-based or otherwise), selective enforcement ect don't go on and that every single person ever issued a citation is a menace to society.

Your absurd perspective speaks for itself and the fact that I may fall decades of existence short of your requisite age for rational thought does not disqualify my opinion.

Swerving to McDonalds? Bitching about the oppressive police state? Everyone under 30 playing loud music, partying until late in the night and then driving home with a buzz on? You'd think you'd steer clear of the logical fallacy if you truly were some wise old man as you claim. Maybe you're the one that needs to grow up.

[T-Dog]

Blair is on the depth chart, but also on the injury report. Upper body - head competence issue?

I thought the same thing at first, but it's a legit injury.

And now we continue with this episode of "As The Cabin Turns". Pass the popcorn Robert.

[firemoose]

Lose internet for a while and come back to this. Someone threw the mainline switch on this thread and this train is heading up a dead end track at full speed. Might be time to move this one to the P and CE folder. Sad state when the cautionary tale of mistakes and hopefully learning a lesson from them turns into talk of the Third Reich.

I'll take some of that popcorn T-Dog.

[AppGrad1]

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F

[Gonzo]

Didn't mean to contribute to such a far-gone tangent. It is hard to ignore such wild generalizations about the students of the school for which we are all here to discuss not to mention how unsettlingly submissive some Americans can be. Consider it dropped on my end.

Was Blair healthy enough and clear to play before the drinking incident occurred? If not it will be interesting to see if his disciplinary benchings will begin before or when he gets medically cleared to play.

[firemoose]

Didn't mean to contribute to such a far-gone tangent. It is hard to ignore such wild generalizations about the students of the school for which we are all here to discuss not to mention how unsettlingly submissive some Americans can be. Consider it dropped on my end.

Was Blair healthy enough and clear to play before the drinking incident occurred? If not it will be interesting to see if his disciplinary benchings will begin before or when he gets medically cleared to play.

I've been looking back through posts on here, MI and 247 to see if I can find a reference to the injury. I know we lost the feed for most of the A&T game but I don't remember DJ or Brownie mentioning him being injured on the 5th quarter show or on SEQ. Could have been a practice injury unless anyone can find a reference to it elsewhere.

Anyone who attended the game remember if he wasn't playing or left during the second half?

EDIT: Just a little additional. Brian had an article up on MI (9/12) talking to Coach Jones and they mentioned how well Blair had played and getting our young guys to his level. No mention of an injury. And Mike on 247 has an article from Tuesday afternoon about his status after the arrest. Statement from SID. No mention of him being injured. Looking more like a practice injury.

[WVAPPeer]

I will say this in support of fellow old-heads and maybe as a bit of information to the young guns --- We grew up in high school/college years when our cities were burning, our leaders were assassinated, college students were being shot down on campus by our National Guard, a futile war was waging, friends dying in a far-away land and we as students knew that if we flunked out of college one day later we would be on our way to Vietnam - I'm sure some on here served in the military during that time (you are great veterans) ---

2 points I would like to make ---
1. there is not enough money that could be paid that would entice me to become a police officer - as in any profession there a few bad with a multitude of good - but they in so many cases are "damned if they do - damned if they don't" - they risk their lives every day and they need to be treated with the honor and respect they deserve!!!
2. an old adage - one that has been used over many generations - but here goes again ---
SOME OF YOU YOUNG GUYS WOULDN'T HAVE LASTED A DAY IN OUR TIME !!!
The Dude Abides!!!

[Kgfish]

My goodness can the fallacies flow from your fingertips when your dial-up connection is strong.

Let's be clear with the way this dialogue has progressed. You have taken a single person's .04 BAC and applied a universal characterization of "being loud and obnoxious at 1 AM, staggering along the sidewalk, puking in people's yards or on public streets, driving with a "buzz" on, running stop signs or weaving as they drive" to App students in general. It is very clear how you feel about App students. "Subhuman crazies that are not worthy of rights" is a fitting summary of your skewed perceptions.

"Society is doing young people a huge disservice by allowing them to do as they wish" was a gem, further characterizing your moral-highgroundist approach. Apparently their liberty itself is offensive to you. I regret my hyperbolic nazi comment for the sake of my rhetoric in the topic at bar, but a despicable statement like that seemed at the time to warrant such language.

I have not directly stated nor implied that Boone is a police state. I understand law enforcement to be a necessary agency to any organized society. What I do not believe, however, is that the badge and the gun somehow suspends human nature or that things like profiling (be it racial, age-based or otherwise), selective enforcement ect don't go on and that every single person ever issued a citation is a menace to society.

Your absurd perspective speaks for itself and the fact that I may fall decades of existence short of your requisite age for rational thought does not disqualify my opinion.

Swerving to McDonalds? Bitching about the oppressive police state? Everyone under 30 playing loud music, partying until late in the night and then driving home with a buzz on? You'd think you'd steer clear of the logical fallacy if you truly were some wise old man as you claim. Maybe you're the one that needs to grow up.

My responses in this thread are directed at those, past and present, where you complain incessantly about law enforcement in Boone. Each time the issue arises of someone landing in trouble due to consumption of alcohol, you use the occasion as a bully pulpit to rant against the Boone and ASU Police. You did it with the Rizor & Price situations and now with Blair. You started down this road with that ridiculous rant about how the noise ordinance in Boone is putting a damper on the downtown bar scene. It is quite obvious the he lawmakers, police and people who want a somewhat civilized community are the problem in Boone, not those who might actually drink to access or get out of control.

I only used the absurd because you excel in it. I also only used the word "young" because this thread IS referencing college age young people. It is painfully obvious there is a segment of society, if left completely unbridled to their desires, will make decisions that are not in their best interest or that of the community at large. As loathe as you are with law enforcement in Boone they are there to protect the citizens and as hard as it may be for you to realize certain laws are in place to keep people from their own stupid decisions.

Give Blair a whack on the knuckles and tell him to be a good boy. In the eyes of some that is probably too severe of a punishment for even a young man showing a bad trend.

I am done with this and apologize for helping derail the topic. You sir have the final say.

[Maddog1956]

I will say this in support of fellow old-heads and maybe as a bit of information to the young guns --- We grew up in high school/college years when our cities were burning, our leaders were assassinated, college students were being shot down on campus by our National Guard, a futile war was waging, friends dying in a far-away land and we as students knew that if we flunked out of college one day later we would be on our way to Vietnam - I'm sure some on here served in the military during that time (you are great veterans) ---

2 points I would like to make ---
1. there is not enough money that could be paid that would entice me to become a police officer - as in any profession there a few bad with a multitude of good - but they in so many cases are "damned if they do - damned if they don't" - they risk their lives every day and they need to be treated with the honor and respect they deserve!!!
2. an old adage - one that has been used over many generations - but here goes again ---
SOME OF YOU YOUNG GUYS WOULDN'T HAVE LASTED A DAY IN OUR TIME !!!
The Dude Abides!!!

If you know anyone that has been in one of the unending wars in over the last 13 years, I don't think you'd said they would last a day in our times. Military duty in many ways is the worst it's ever been. Our time was really an easy one by most measures. One of the great economics, and social change, but it really mostly affected "someone" else. For example, It took years for people to even care about vietnam, even with it shown on TV every night.

As a guy in his 50's it's just disappointing to see how a generation with such promise, turned into such a mean, racist, selfish, pitiful and petty group with less compassion than most of our parents. That's right, I said it, we have actually regressed from where our parents generation grew to be in respect and compassion for others and love of this country. (Most of the patriots I meet today is someone that tells you how screwed up this country is, ever if they have never been anywhere else) Old war hero's and conservatives like Bob Dole are ignored in our congress, what a shame!

I learned that that race was just sometime people was born with and kids were going to make mistakes and people weren't perfect and differences were to be respected and by helping other we help yourself, from my southern borned, uneducated dad (t-sgt b4 and during WWII that sent plenty of young men off to die) and my mother that followed him around the country during the war, who saw that people are people, good, bad, etc but just people.

Sorry to be preachy, but to see what that generation had accomplish being dismantled because our generation feel "someone is getting something for free, or someone other than me is getting a break, etc", is more a statement on our lack of feeling accomplished than any statement of today's youth.

I barely missed Vietnam (don't know if I would have went or not) when I went in the Army instead of college, and when I got out and went to APP, I felt the kids didn't know anything, but guess what I didn't either, I was a kid too. That is what makes me ask is there anything positive we can do before we hang up kids by their toes and say how deserving they are. If we're going to hold scholarships up to them and make statements like "they owe us" withhold money from Yosef and don't watch those brats carry the ball around.

And lastly, I'm not anti-cops, but are they really on a "safety mission" stopping kids and handing out tickets on stadium drive, right before they park their car? It seems a little like "easy picking" myself. Maybe if they were patrolling the "dark spots", walkways, and streams, they would actually cut back on attacks, rape, drownings, etc.

Sorry WV, this isn't all aimed at you, I just got on a roll.

[WVAPPeer]

I agree with you and I wasn't speaking of the military when making comparisons, only college students - Yes I am extremely disappointed in some of our generation, even more so than some of the 20-30 year olds of today - these young adults just for the most part just don't have an understanding of how things have evolved since the 50's, 60's, 70s (our daughter and s-n-l are in their early 30s) - I saw the African-American director of THE BUTLER on an interview and he said his own son came to him after seeing the movie and asked - "Dad, did that stuff (racial) really happen or did you make it up for the movie?"

I guess the main point I was attempting to make was that "back in the day" college students were being shot by the NG, kicked out of school which meant immediately being drafted, saw unbridled hatred across the country, etc. - just not a lot of sympathy for those referring to the Boone and ASU cops as "fascists, Nazis, etc." for doing their job ---

[Maddog1956]

I agree with you and I wasn't speaking of the military when making comparisons, only college students - Yes I am extremely disappointed in some of our generation, even more so than some of the 20-30 year olds of today - these young adults just for the most part just don't have an understanding of how things have evolved since the 50's, 60's, 70s (our daughter and s-n-l are in their early 30s) - I saw the African-American director of THE BUTLER on an interview and he said his own son came to him after seeing the movie and asked - "Dad, did that stuff (racial) really happen or did you make it up for the movie?"

I guess the main point I was attempting to make was that "back in the day" college students were being shot by the NG, kicked out of school which meant immediately being drafted, saw unbridled hatred across the country, etc. - just not a lot of sympathy for those referring to the Boone and ASU cops as "fascists, Nazis, etc." for doing their job ---

I agree!

[AppState89]

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

Agreed, a couple of beers isn't the end of the world. Personally, I feel if someone is old enough to fight and die for their county they are old enough to have a beer. Just don't get behind the wheel when you do. By the way, I had a few this past weekend myself.

True, but under NC law....if you are under 21 you can't even blow a .00000000000001!!! Under 21 you can't drink and drive at all or it's a DWI.....

[Dmanuhone]

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

Agreed, a couple of beers isn't the end of the world. Personally, I feel if someone is old enough to fight and die for their county they are old enough to have a beer. Just don't get behind the wheel when you do. By the way, I had a few this past weekend myself.

True, but under NC law....if you are under 21 you can't even blow a .00000000000001!!! Under 21 you can't drink and drive at all or it's a DWI.....

Only DWI if blow .8 or above or obviously trashed. Otherwise it is underage consumption while driving. Does have the same penalties as DWI though.

[Rekdiver]

We all make choices. This was Blairs fault and with all the news surrounding Price it was a stupid choice. Not the police and not the coaches. I'm over it. Punish him with community service and mandatory random tests and a two game suspension.

[AppState89]

.04 give me a break, did they check him for poppy seeds too!

Agreed, a couple of beers isn't the end of the world. Personally, I feel if someone is old enough to fight and die for their county they are old enough to have a beer. Just don't get behind the wheel when you do. By the way, I had a few this past weekend myself.

True, but under NC law....if you are under 21 you can't even blow a .00000000000001!!! Under 21 you can't drink and drive at all or it's a DWI.....

Only DWI if blow .8 or above or obviously trashed. Otherwise it is underage consumption while driving. Does have the same penalties as DWI though.

True....that's what it is call, but the penalties are the same as the DWI. I should have posted that part. I usually call it a mini DWI.

[asu1978]

Is drinking & driving wrong- YES!!!.As a student in the mid 70's,when the drinking age for beer & wine was 18,the big thought for so many of my friends & students in general was-Do I Have Enough Money To Go To BR (The Cheesehouse or Big Dollar)to stock up.The ABC store in BR was at that time the 4th highest grossing store in the state.With Meth & other drugs such a problem,it's hard for me to condemn these students for what we were able to do legally.With shows like Mad Men having actors with drinks in their hands at work,and beer ads everywhere,18 to 20 year old legal adults have some hard decisions to make.

[WataugaMan]

Is drinking & driving wrong- YES!!!.As a student in the mid 70's,when the drinking age for beer & wine was 18,the big thought for so many of my friends & students in general was-Do I Have Enough Money To Go To BR (The Cheesehouse or Big Dollar)to stock up.The ABC store in BR was at that time the 4th highest grossing store in the state.With Meth & other drugs such a problem,it's hard for me to condemn these students for what we were able to do legally.With shows like Mad Men having actors with drinks in their hands at work,and beer ads everywhere,18 to 20 year old legal adults have some hard decisions to make.

PBs, Library Club, Antlers, Clyde's, etc. were the places to be on Friday and Saturday night (after the game of course). Anyway I agree, it's hard to condemn these kids for doing precisely the same thing I did.