I've had it

bh2oson · Unread post by **bh2oson** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:53 pm

If you didn't have a chance to hear DJ's take after the game I though he made a lot of good points. He mentioned how Coach Moore's first year could have been a title team if Sparky had stayed and how it took a couple of years to get a conference championship for Coach Moore. I think it is way too early to give a final grade for Coach Satterfield.

Success in the affairs of life often serves to hide one’s abilities, whereas adversity frequently gives one an opportunity to discover them. – Horace

87ASUgrad · Unread post by **87ASUgrad** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:00 pm

hapapp wrote:Turnovers were obviously the key to our defeat today. When you lose by 17 but outgain the opposition by 140 yards you have to chalk it up to poor fundamental play.

Plus a lot of drops and mental mistakes too today.

TheMoody1 · Unread post by **TheMoody1** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:06 pm

YesAppCan wrote:Anyone know why we call that last time out?

To get in one more play. They need all the reps they can get.

asutrnr81 · Unread post by **asutrnr81** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:47 pm

Couple of observations: I was at the game.

A young LADY behind me NOT associated with any player!...asked early on why we do not use the TE.

The offense was creative and effective but putting the ball on the ground 8 times and losing 4 you can't win.

The defense gave up 2 touchdowns....I like those odds when your defense only gives up 2 TD's.

The kids on the offensive side are trying SOOOOOO hard to not make mistakes they force them upon themselves.

There is NO internal team leadership....they jogged onto the field, there was NO-ONE on the sideline trying to get the team or the crowd into the game. They are just trying so hare not to lose!

The only poor coaching I saw was after the McElfresh TD, we did not go for 2 to try to cut it to 16 points. That is inexcusable.

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:01 pm

goapps93 wrote:How quickly we forget that it was Scott who coached our offense to our 3 National Championships.

I could have coached Armanti Edwards......

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:01 pm

JCline0429 · Unread post by **JCline0429** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:03 pm

Mtneer wrote:The continued horrendous performance of this team, IMO, is extreme. I just get tired of all the excuses, particularly the bash Jerry Moore ones. Satterfield is the head coach. It's his job to get better effort out of this team. It's embarrassing.

Rep point.

GreatAppSt · Unread post by **GreatAppSt** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:24 pm

asutrnr81 wrote:
The only poor coaching I saw was after the McElfresh TD, we did not go for 2 to try to cut it to 16 points. That is inexcusable.

Exactly, after not going for the two then, why go for the onside kick?

Not going for two kept it a three possession game, kind of making it moot to attempt the onside with only around 4 mins. to play

asufan87 · Unread post by **asufan87** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:37 pm

Just a few of my observations.

I echo the previous poster's comment on senior leadership. We simply don't have that guy that commands leadership like Richie Williams or Scott Suttle did. Richie was a great player but an even greater LEADER. This current team elected a team captain that got himself busted for underage drinking among other things. That's pretty telling to me. I'm not saying we have all bad guys, but can anyone point to THE guy who is the undisputed team leader and sets the tone for the team? With such a young team, senior leadership is imperative. I don't see it.

Also, you can teach fundamentals, formations and plays, but no matter what you do, you can't make players care. I strongly suspect we don't have everyone "all in". Having managed people for years, all you can do is show those types the door. I think there will need to be some heart to heart conversations after the season with some returning players to gauge their commitment and attitude and perhaps encourage some to pursue their craft elsewhere. I don't think this lack of buy in happened recently; I think it goes back to when coach Moore exited and perhaps to when the transition to FBS was announced. The lack of caring has probably been festering for quite some time now and is just now making itself evident.

Finally. we flat out failed to leverage our national championships and Michigan win on the recruiting trail. There are few positions on the field where we are remotely talented to where we were a few years back. Success breeds complacency and I simply don't see a team athletically superior to our opponents like we once had. There are few FBS talents on the active two deep and Satterfield deserves the opportunity to recruit the players he needs to compete in FBS. Again, there will probably have to be some frank conversations with some young men regarding their potential going forward in the program and I suspect we'll see several players transfer or give up playing altogether.

This has been a frustrating season, but I'm in this for the long haul. A rough patch won't alter my commitment and support for the program.

JCline0429 · Unread post by **JCline0429** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:04 pm

asufan87 wrote:Just a few of my observations.

I echo the previous poster's comment on senior leadership. We simply don't have that guy that commands leadership like Richie Williams or Scott Suttle did. Richie was a great player but an even greater LEADER. This current team elected a team captain that got himself busted for underage drinking among other things. That's pretty telling to me. I'm not saying we have all bad guys, but can anyone point to THE guy who is the undisputed team leader and sets the tone for the team? With such a young team, senior leadership is imperative. I don't see it.

Also, you can teach fundamentals, formations and plays, but no matter what you do, you can't make players care. I strongly suspect we don't have everyone "all in". Having managed people for years, all you can do is show those types the door. I think there will need to be some heart to heart conversations after the season with some returning players to gauge their commitment and attitude and perhaps encourage some to pursue their craft elsewhere. I don't think this lack of buy in happened recently; I think it goes back to when coach Moore exited and perhaps to when the transition to FBS was announced. The lack of caring has probably been festering for quite some time now and is just now making itself evident.

Finally. we flat out failed to leverage our national championships and Michigan win on the recruiting trail. There are few positions on the field where we are remotely talented to where we were a few years back. Success breeds complacency and I simply don't see a team athletically superior to our opponents like we once had. There are few FBS talents on the active two deep and Satterfield deserves the opportunity to recruit the players he needs to compete in FBS. Again, there will probably have to be some frank conversations with some young men regarding their potential going forward in the program and I suspect we'll see several players transfer or give up playing altogether.

This has been a frustrating season, but I'm in this for the long haul. A rough patch won't alter my commitment and support for the program.

I would add Corey Lynch to that list of leaders.

MAD Doctor · Unread post by **MAD Doctor** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:39 pm

O well,

AppState89 · Unread post by **AppState89** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:17 pm

Furman used the TE several times and burnt the crap out of us....SEVERAL TIMES

I think a lot of the players have just given up.....today was just horrible playing....I've seen high school teams that looked better (not better, but looked better).

For the love of God, why do you return a kickoff that you catch on the very back of the end zone??? He did have 20 yards on the return, but starting at your own 10?????????

The way we played today, we don't win again this season..... Hell, Western almost beat Woffy today..

asu66 · Unread post by **asu66** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:38 pm

87ASUgrad wrote:"Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No and it's not over now!"

Just for the record, the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor. It was the Imperial Japanese Navy under orders from Emperor Hirohito of the Empire of Japan.

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:43 pm

asu66 wrote:
87ASUgrad wrote:"Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No and it's not over now!"
Just for the record, the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor. It was the Imperial Japanese Navy under orders from Emperor Hirohito of the Empire of Japan.

Animal House joke. Got me the first time I heard it in the MMB too even though I've seem the movie.

T-Dog · Unread post by **T-Dog** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:01 pm

AppState89 wrote:For the love of God, why do you return a kickoff that you catch on the very back of the end zone??? He did have 20 yards on the return, but starting at your own 10?????????

I damn-near lost my mind when Washington brought that out. It was right after the Kam fumble where Furman scored on the next play. Absolute meltdown over the course of three plays.

Maddog1956 · Unread post by **Maddog1956** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:19 am

asu66 wrote:
87ASUgrad wrote:"Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No and it's not over now!"
Just for the record, the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor. It was the Imperial Japanese Navy under orders from Emperor Hirohito of the Empire of Japan.

I had to watch it again last night.

AppDawg · Unread post by **AppDawg** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:49 am

Maddog1956 wrote:
asu66 wrote:
87ASUgrad wrote:"Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No and it's not over now!"
Just for the record, the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor. It was the Imperial Japanese Navy under orders from Emperor Hirohito of the Empire of Japan.

I had to watch it again last night.

Complete scene for full effect... One of the all-time Great movies!

bcoach · Unread post by **bcoach** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:34 am

goapps93 wrote:How quickly we forget that it was Scott who coached our offense to our 3 National Championships. Oh yeah, we had better key players then. If that's the case, and it is, then you folks can't have it both ways. Sure great players make great coaches but even the best coaches have trouble when the talent level is lower. I said it before, probably in another thread, but I think it's funny how everybody is always an expert at everybody else's job. Sheesh, he's 7 games into his first year as a head coach. Let's pump our brakes a little here. We don't have a good QB. We have a true freshman starting at RB. A Center who can't seem to snap the ball to the QB. And the rest of the line can't give the QB any time to throw down field. For those who want to judge the whole game's play calling on a late game TD pass downfield, you need to remember the game was out of reach by then and things had been getting snippy on the field. I'm pretty sure Furman had let up a bit, both on pass rush and coverage. We have to remember that it's just not as easy as sometimes seems to the Saturday evening QBs/coaches.

Just more excuses. How many times did they even try to throw down field? You don't get anywhere going east west. this bubble pass crap does not work. It has not worked all year. The play calling sucks. All I hear is excuses. The true freshman running back has had some pretty good games when he has been allowed to run. The QB has the ability to throw and the receivers can catch. The QB is not Armanti but he is as good as some we have faced. last I looked at the roster we still had a tight end. You can spit out excuses all day long but even Brownie is having a hard time trying to find ways to soften his comments. The excuses need to end. Our coaching sucks, period.

mgsouth · Unread post by **mgsouth** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:55 am

I just hope that some how and some way we can get the ship back on track, especially seeing how we are moving up to FBS. I say this because as most know, patience is a virtue that the majority of people lack. We have already seen a drop in attendance and I suspect it will be more noticeable this Sat. People (call them fair weather if you want) will not continue to shell out hard earned money to watch a team get their tail kicked more times than not. Our football program and its success has made a lot of money for the university and has been a show window that has drawn students (not just athletes). If this slide continues, our university may well lose a lot of support in the from of finances, attendance etc.. I don't want to see that happen. So, I am hoping that indeed this season is just the result of coaching changes, youth and growing pains and will be back on track next year.

App74 · Unread post by **App74** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:59 am

Yesterday was hard to watch. I can't imagine what is going through the minds of the seniors. It's as if they have gone from "nothing to play for" to "why are we playing"? I believe they are in a flux beyond what we can imagine, looking for something to create a spark as evidenced by Tony Washington's decision to return a kickoff from nine yards deep in the endzone. He knows better than that. Desperation makes for desperate decisions.

In the stands, there was a lot of head-shaking as well as moans, me included. As always, win or lose, there will always be a few that yell at players and coaches. However the worst thing I heard yesterday was chuckling. I felt sorry for the guys on the field because their own fans were laughing at them. I'm sure they didn't hear it but it drove a stake through my heart.

It occurs to me that looking up is a lot harder than looking down. It is ever so hard but I'll continue in the up position.

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