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Re: Sunday Morning QB on a Friday ---

Unread post by AppState2014 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:09 am

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WVAPPeer wrote:Why in Hell are some of you talking about 2016??? - PLEASE give the firing of Coach Satterfield a rest!!! --- PLEASE !!!
Yep. With experience and our patience he has the potential to be the coach we will beg to stay someday. He just needs a bit more OJT.

This has always been the forum for MMB'ers wanting to hire and fire people. That's not going to change.
He certainly could and with the talent we have there is no reason to believe he can't win. There is also a chance he isn't. I'm pulling for him but if we continue to keep losing and don't at least beat 3 or 4 others he will be on the hot seat. That's all I'm saying. However, I won't bring it up anymore and let it play out this year. We need to put it all together and win some games. We should be 2-2 right now. The USM loss still stings. Hopefully we can turn it around. I'm expecting to see Lamb improve greatly from the last 5 games compared to the first 3 he started.

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Re: Sunday Morning QB on a Friday ---

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:32 am

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WVAPPeer wrote:Why in Hell are some of you talking about 2016??? - PLEASE give the firing of Coach Satterfield a rest!!! --- PLEASE !!!
Yep. With experience and our patience he has the potential to be the coach we will beg to stay someday. He just needs a bit more OJT.

This has always been the forum for MMB'ers wanting to hire and fire people. That's not going to change.
Don't forget always calling for a QB change.
Calling for the QB one is funny because this year folks were calling for it and it happened. We all knew it was a matter of time before Lamb won the job. I think Lamb starting is going to prove to be the best thing for us come 2015 and 2016.
I think Lamb will get better with playing time. However, some called for the change because Lamb gives us the best chance to win now. Well, he is 0-2, has the same number of interceptions as KB has had while starting (in fewer games), and we have been in the red zone on 5 different occasions without points with him. So I am not bringing this up as an indictment of Lamb and his potential because I like him, I just want to know how the "best chance to win now" crowd feels about the change.

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Re: Sunday Morning QB on a Friday ---

Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:40 am

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WVAPPeer wrote:Why in Hell are some of you talking about 2016??? - PLEASE give the firing of Coach Satterfield a rest!!! --- PLEASE !!!
Yep. With experience and our patience he has the potential to be the coach we will beg to stay someday. He just needs a bit more OJT.

This has always been the forum for MMB'ers wanting to hire and fire people. That's not going to change.
Don't forget always calling for a QB change.
Calling for the QB one is funny because this year folks were calling for it and it happened. We all knew it was a matter of time before Lamb won the job. I think Lamb starting is going to prove to be the best thing for us come 2015 and 2016.
I think Lamb will get better with playing time. However, some called for the change because Lamb gives us the best chance to win now. Well, he is 0-2, has the same number of interceptions as KB has had while starting (in fewer games), and we have been in the red zone on 5 different occasions without points with him. So I am not bringing this up as an indictment of Lamb and his potential because I like him, I just want to know how the "best chance to win now" crowd feels about the change.
KB would be 1-3 and have the same number of interceptions. The red zone stat would look better, because we would have been forced to punt at midfield.
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Re: Sunday Morning QB on a Friday ---

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:56 am

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Calling for the QB one is funny because this year folks were calling for it and it happened. We all knew it was a matter of time before Lamb won the job. I think Lamb starting is going to prove to be the best thing for us come 2015 and 2016.
I think Lamb will get better with playing time. However, some called for the change because Lamb gives us the best chance to win now. Well, he is 0-2, has the same number of interceptions as KB has had while starting (in fewer games), and we have been in the red zone on 5 different occasions without points with him. So I am not bringing this up as an indictment of Lamb and his potential because I like him, I just want to know how the "best chance to win now" crowd feels about the change.
KB would be 1-3 and have the same number of interceptions. The red zone stat would look better, because we would have been forced to punt at midfield.
So what you are saying is that regardless of who was quarterback, we would still be 1-3? If that is the case then why so many post for calling for firing coaches, questioning play calling, and and overall general disappointment in the program? After all we are where we should be, right?

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:57 am

One more thing, KB would not have those picks because those throws would have been better or not thrown at all.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:03 am

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Calling for the QB one is funny because this year folks were calling for it and it happened. We all knew it was a matter of time before Lamb won the job. I think Lamb starting is going to prove to be the best thing for us come 2015 and 2016.
I think Lamb will get better with playing time. However, some called for the change because Lamb gives us the best chance to win now. Well, he is 0-2, has the same number of interceptions as KB has had while starting (in fewer games), and we have been in the red zone on 5 different occasions without points with him. So I am not bringing this up as an indictment of Lamb and his potential because I like him, I just want to know how the "best chance to win now" crowd feels about the change.
KB would be 1-3 and have the same number of interceptions. The red zone stat would look better, because we would have been forced to punt at midfield.
So what you are saying is that regardless of who was quarterback, we would still be 1-3? If that is the case then why so many post for calling for firing coaches, questioning play calling, and and overall general disappointment in the program? After all we are where we should be, right?
That's what I'm saying. As for the other stuff, you'll have to ask someone else, though I would like to see us run a little more up-tempo.
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Unread post by DoubleA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:07 am

Poor tackling and penalties are things we should be able to clean up now. What worries me is that it seemed we were whipped on the line of scrimmage, on both sides of the ball. Rushing numbers were pathetic, but we must commit to running the ball more and restore some sense of balance to the offense. The pieces seem to be there with the skill positions, and hopefully linemen will get bigger and stronger as they mature. Is it just me, or did GSU seem faster and more athletic than the Apps?

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Unread post by YesAppCan » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:30 am

The way most of the runs have gone the last two games, committing to running more will only get our punter on the field sooner. I agree with you that there certainly has to be a balance, but I'm afraid that we are going to have to throw first to set up the run. Still would like to see that two-back set we've heard about but maybe only glimpsed once or twice. When we do run, it's like the other team knows exactly where we are going as there is a clogged up wall where the play was headed. I don't know x's and o's or blocking schemes enough to know where our running plays are actually failing. I just see a "wasted down" when we run up the middle and get nothing. I know Ayers at Wofford once said that they sometimes run a play knowing it probably won't get anywhere but to a) see how the defense reacts to it and b) set up another play later. If that's what we are doing, it doesn't appear to be working. My gut feeling is our OL is probably not consistently doing their jobs as a collective unit.

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Unread post by AppState2014 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:32 am

DoubleA wrote:Poor tackling and penalties are things we should be able to clean up now. What worries me is that it seemed we were whipped on the line of scrimmage, on both sides of the ball. Rushing numbers were pathetic, but we must commit to running the ball more and restore some sense of balance to the offense. The pieces seem to be there with the skill positions, and hopefully linemen will get bigger and stronger as they mature. Is it just me, or did GSU seem faster and more athletic than the Apps?
They are faster and more athletic. They also have a much better senior and junior class than we do right now. Hopefully that changes but there right now there is no doubt GSU is better than us.

I'm just hoping we beat Georgia State, Idaho, Troy, and Liberty to give us a 5 win season. Ga State scares me though because Charlie Cobb knows Scott's mind set and what we try to do. I'm sure he will relay that info to his coaches. While we should beat Ga State, I would even label that 50/50.

And for someone else asking are we where we should be right now? No. We should have beaten USM and at least played Michigan and GSU closer. Michigan should have been 25-30 points and GSU should have only been one score or we win. GSU was not a game I labeled as non winnable so with better coaching and play on the field (have to blame both players and coaches), we could have won that one.

Many of our mistakes are why I thought we would lose these games heading into the season though. We aren't where we should be but we are where I thought we would be.

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Re: Sunday Morning QB on a Friday ---

Unread post by hapapp » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:03 pm

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KB would be 1-3 and have the same number of interceptions. The red zone stat would look better, because we would have been forced to punt at midfield.[/quote]

That's a cheap shot. We don't know what would have happened if Kam had been the QB. For the record, I favor Taylor as the best bet given all the ingredients needed to run our offense but to suggest that Kam would have the same number of interceptions is without merit.

Quite frankly, I think it is very demeaning to speak so negatively of one our own. I have no problem with folks believing that one guy should start over the other but it should be what he brings to the table not casting aspersions against the other.

I favor Taylor because of his mobility and his ability make quicker decisions. It is fair to point out that he has thrown 4 interceptions in two games. To pretend that he hasn't made rookie mistakes is to be less than objective. Given that, I still think he is the better fit. He has the ability to make plays on the run that I don't think Kam can do as effectively.

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Unread post by NewApp » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:26 pm

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KB would be 1-3 and have the same number of interceptions. The red zone stat would look better, because we would have been forced to punt at midfield.[/quote]

That's a cheap shot. We don't know what would have happened if Kam had been the QB. For the record, I favor Taylor as the best bet given all the ingredients needed to run our offense but to suggest that Kam would have the same number of interceptions is without merit.

Quite frankly, I think it is very demeaning to speak so negatively of one our own. I have no problem with folks believing that one guy should start over the other but it should be what he brings to the table not casting aspersions against the other.

I favor Taylor because of his mobility and his ability make quicker decisions. It is fair to point out that he has thrown 4 interceptions in two games. To pretend that he hasn't made rookie mistakes is to be less than objective. Given that, I still think he is the better fit. He has the ability to make plays on the run that I don't think Kam can do as effectively.[/quote]

One of the few times we agree. Some people point to our kids being big boys who should be able to take criticism, but there should be a limit and I'm sure not talking about X's and O's as someone tried to say a few weeks ago. Having said that, I don't really think the post was all that caustic, but still your point is valid IMOp.
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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:41 pm

I'll stand by my prediction. Just as many interceptions, and fewer trips into the red zone. Kam wasn't moving the ball, and instead of a small deep threat we have now, we had none with the previous starter.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:52 pm

AppinVA wrote:I'll stand by my prediction. Just as many interceptions, and fewer trips into the red zone. Kam wasn't moving the ball, and instead of a small deep threat we have now, we had none with the previous starter.
It's easy to stand by a prediction that can never come to fruition. Bottom line KB 370 attempts - 4 int's. Lamb 106 attempts - 4 int's. I don' need a deep threat passer if I don't have a deep threat receiver. By the way, did anyone hear the color commentator for Thursday niight's game talking about Lamb? He said that he doesn't have the arm strength for this level.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:55 pm

His deep pass liked decent on the touch PI call Thursday night.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:19 pm

AppinVA wrote:His deep pass liked decent on the touch PI call Thursday night.
So you have one example of a deep pass? Has he completed one of them yet? The only one that I can think of was down the middle to McElfresh where he failed to look of the safety playing over the top. This was on the last drive versus SMU. If he can't complete the play then there really isn't a threat.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:33 pm

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AppinVA wrote:His deep pass liked decent on the touch PI call Thursday night.
So you have one example of a deep pass? Has he completed one of them yet? The only one that I can think of was down the middle to McElfresh where he failed to look of the safety playing over the top. This was on the last drive versus SMU. If he can't complete the play then there really isn't a threat.
Okay. Eff it. Put Kam back there. I do recall saying something to the effect of a little bit of a deep threat compared to no deep threat.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:53 pm

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AppinVA wrote:His deep pass liked decent on the touch PI call Thursday night.
So you have one example of a deep pass? Has he completed one of them yet? The only one that I can think of was down the middle to McElfresh where he failed to look of the safety playing over the top. This was on the last drive versus SMU. If he can't complete the play then there really isn't a threat.
Okay. Eff it. Put Kam back there. I do recall saying something to the effect of a little bit of a deep threat compared to no deep threat.
Oh come on man, don't give up on your beliefs. I don't have anymore say over who plays than you do so we can agree to disagree on who should start as long as we can agree to support the guy that is starting. I haven't seen any difference in our offensive production when either one is in there. I agree that Lamb has a higher ceiling but Kam takes care of the ball better than Lamb.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:02 pm

I'm not giving up on anything. I don't expect anyone else to do so either.

We need a victory in the worst way on Saturday. IOtherwise, the only thing that might satisfy some on this board is a sacrifice. Human.
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Unread post by NewApp » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:22 pm

AppinVA wrote:I'm not giving up on anything. I don't expect anyone else to do so either.

We need a victory in the worst way on Saturday. IOtherwise, the only thing that might satisfy some on this board is a sacrifice. Human.
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Unread post by GreatAppSt » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:27 pm

AppinVA wrote: I would like to see us run a little more up-tempo.
I'd like to see us run the up the middle a lot less on first downs, the plague continues into the Satt era! :roll:
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