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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by moonshine » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:52 am

I don't think there is a need to dump on GaSo's schedule. We knew going into the season our Apps had the hardest pre-season conference schedule and that the Eagles didn't have to play ULL or stAte. Unless folks in the conference believe that Karl and TK colluded to give GaSo the "easiest" schedule, then there is no argument. The Eagles lined up against who was on their schedule and proceeded to run through them. I imagine most fans didn't think they'd do as well as they have with a new head coach who came in late and only had a few weeks to sign recruits.

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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:25 am

I am not dumping on their schedule. You play who is on your schedule and I have no problem with that. I am merely suggesting that when looking at how their opponents have collectively fared it has the potential to deliver a false positive result. No sour grapes here just pointing out the fact that their opponents, sans Ga Tech haven't been that good.

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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by oldfart » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:26 am

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bertolinidives wrote:I am surprised more has not been said about the fact that South GA did not play A ST or ULL. Had they done so late in the season as we have, it would have been a very different story. The Institute in ATL won the ACC the first year the conference had to deal with the TO but several years later the disciplined and well coached defenses still shut them down. Of course this year they also have a fairly potent passing game as well which is the secret to the long term success of such an offensive scheme. I do not know if the SB D's can achieve that level of discipline but two things are for sure: South GA ain't and never will be as good as GT and App would beat South GA today.

Man, I cannot wait until next year. I hope our bowl game is somewhere warm!
Too me, it is who they have played and not who they have not. GS's 8 wins have come against 1 team with a winning record (6-4), 2 teams that are 5-5, and 5 teams with a combined record of 7-42. I think you are correct that their offense is gimicky and teams will figure out how to stop it as more game tape is available. Texas State did a good job against them and showed people how to slow it down. Another point is what happens if they lose Fritz after the season to a P5 school and they hire a more conventional offensive minded coach. Let them have their moment.
I have to disagree about the "gimmicky" aspect simply because any offense that scores points can be considered a "gimmicky" offense. A passing attack(gagstate) or running attack(GS) or both(App) all can be defended with the right personnel and a defensive coordinator that is familiar with the scheme being used. YOUR offense or anyone else's can be considered gimmicky. Actually our offense is LESS gimmicky this year than in the past. We are throwing the ball more, but if a team can't stop us running, that's what we'll do all day. The teams that have been effective against our offense are those that can lock down on man to man coverage, have fast linebackers, and can get some penetration on the d line. Texas state has that kind of defense, and unfortunately with a good lead and our defense playing well, we took our foot off the pedal and let them dominate the 4th quarter(statistically). The game was well in hand, they just had a couple of lucky plays and an onside recovery to make it interesting. In the Navy game, turnovers, poor defensive schemes, Senior Day and two weeks to prepare for a road weary team took its toll. It was a perfect storm, we looked horrible and out of sync on offense, but hopefully the real GS will show up in two weeks. I do think a game against APP would be more interesting now, but the result would still be an L for yall at least in Statesboro anyway. In Boone on a cold day, maybe the opposite. Hey, the ONLY reason yall thumped gagstate so badly was the weather, otherwise that is a much tighter game. Their QB can sling it and they have some really good receivers but they play in da dome and can't handle a little weather. Also ULL only beat gagstate by 3 in a tight ball game, so scores just don't tell the whole picture.
As far as the schedule, we played what we were dealt. Eventually it will change and we'll make believers of everyone. We had no trouble with yall this year but next year in Boone will be a war. I have to agree that App is a lot better at this point in the season than they were 4 weeks ago and I think we are about the same. Take care of ULL and be good little goathumpers. If we are the defending conference champs next year, it may help you draw a few more folks to that cold ass rock. ;)

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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:03 pm

oldfart wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
bertolinidives wrote:I am surprised more has not been said about the fact that South GA did not play A ST or ULL. Had they done so late in the season as we have, it would have been a very different story. The Institute in ATL won the ACC the first year the conference had to deal with the TO but several years later the disciplined and well coached defenses still shut them down. Of course this year they also have a fairly potent passing game as well which is the secret to the long term success of such an offensive scheme. I do not know if the SB D's can achieve that level of discipline but two things are for sure: South GA ain't and never will be as good as GT and App would beat South GA today.

Man, I cannot wait until next year. I hope our bowl game is somewhere warm!
Too me, it is who they have played and not who they have not. GS's 8 wins have come against 1 team with a winning record (6-4), 2 teams that are 5-5, and 5 teams with a combined record of 7-42. I think you are correct that their offense is gimicky and teams will figure out how to stop it as more game tape is available. Texas State did a good job against them and showed people how to slow it down. Another point is what happens if they lose Fritz after the season to a P5 school and they hire a more conventional offensive minded coach. Let them have their moment.
I have to disagree about the "gimmicky" aspect simply because any offense that scores points can be considered a "gimmicky" offense. A passing attack(gagstate) or running attack(GS) or both(App) all can be defended with the right personnel and a defensive coordinator that is familiar with the scheme being used. YOUR offense or anyone else's can be considered gimmicky. Actually our offense is LESS gimmicky this year than in the past. We are throwing the ball more, but if a team can't stop us running, that's what we'll do all day. The teams that have been effective against our offense are those that can lock down on man to man coverage, have fast linebackers, and can get some penetration on the d line. Texas state has that kind of defense, and unfortunately with a good lead and our defense playing well, we took our foot off the pedal and let them dominate the 4th quarter(statistically). The game was well in hand, they just had a couple of lucky plays and an onside recovery to make it interesting. In the Navy game, turnovers, poor defensive schemes, Senior Day and two weeks to prepare for a road weary team took its toll. It was a perfect storm, we looked horrible and out of sync on offense, but hopefully the real GS will show up in two weeks. I do think a game against APP would be more interesting now, but the result would still be an L for yall at least in Statesboro anyway. In Boone on a cold day, maybe the opposite. Hey, the ONLY reason yall thumped gagstate so badly was the weather, otherwise that is a much tighter game. Their QB can sling it and they have some really good receivers but they play in da dome and can't handle a little weather. Also ULL only beat gagstate by 3 in a tight ball game, so scores just don't tell the whole picture.
As far as the schedule, we played what we were dealt. Eventually it will change and we'll make believers of everyone. We had no trouble with yall this year but next year in Boone will be a war. I have to agree that App is a lot better at this point in the season than they were 4 weeks ago and I think we are about the same. Take care of ULL and be good little goathumpers. If we are the defending conference champs next year, it may help you draw a few more folks to that cold ass rock. ;)
Thank you for the long response. I sincerely appreciate it when people take the time to respond with thought. I get your point that you don't think that your offense is gimmicky. I can change the word if you like but the TO, ( or your version of it) is much like the wishbone used by Nebraska and Oklahoma in years past. It requires a special scheme and different gap responsibilities than what defenses face weekly.
I agree that you play the schedule and prepare to give your best each week. But the fact remains that the majority of the teams that you beat were not very good to begin with so what kind of conclusions about your team can you draw from that? At the same time, App lost a couple of games that they should have won so I am not saying that our situation is better.
I don't understand why you think that we can only beat you in Boone on a cold day. Have we NEVER won in Statesboro? I don't prescribe to the theory that we beat a team by this an you only won by that because it depends on matchups. NC State struggled to put you guys away but hung with Fla State. It is any given Saturday for a reason. Yes we dismantled a Ga State team that didn't want to be there but there are many variables that go into explaining performance. They couldn't run the ball so we were able to focus on stopping the pass with 5 an 6 defenders. Good luck against ULM.

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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by asutrnr81 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:52 pm

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asutrnr81 wrote:
mtnjax wrote:
hapapp wrote:Wesley beat Charlotte last year and today's loss was their first of the year. They have traditionally been a pretty strong program. It hasn't been that long ago we lost to Liberty. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, there is no reason for us, as fans, to get too cocky.
i'm not being cocky. if any fan base was being cocky it was Charlotte with all of the trash they were spitting in our direction once they got CUSA invite

all i know is that RIGHT NOW, we've won 4 straight Sun Belt/FBS games and just beat the 3x defending conference champs on the road. i'll take that any day over having lost 6 straight FCS games and barely beating a D3 team

Liberty happened, yes, but the Apps are not playing like that team right now
Remove Phillips from their line-up and put him in the backfield with Cox and Upshaw....which he was a lot closer to being than 99% know.....and our dear UNC-KonKord fans would have NOTHING to "crow" about. He, like Cox is special. (....and they, UNCC fans....even ones who did not go there) all talk trash, even the ones I like!
I've watched Khalif Phillips play, and let me tell you, as bright as he seems next to the rest of his sorry team, Phillips would be our 3rd running back AT BEST. Maybe even 4th behind Ricky Ferg.

I will only argue... He is a 1000 yard rusher on a bad team. He is NOT Cox, I think he is better than Upshaw....and I guarantee you he is better than Ferguson.
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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by Black Saturday » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:56 pm

oldfart wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
bertolinidives wrote:I am surprised more has not been said about the fact that South GA did not play A ST or ULL. Had they done so late in the season as we have, it would have been a very different story. The Institute in ATL won the ACC the first year the conference had to deal with the TO but several years later the disciplined and well coached defenses still shut them down. Of course this year they also have a fairly potent passing game as well which is the secret to the long term success of such an offensive scheme. I do not know if the SB D's can achieve that level of discipline but two things are for sure: South GA ain't and never will be as good as GT and App would beat South GA today.

Man, I cannot wait until next year. I hope our bowl game is somewhere warm!
Too me, it is who they have played and not who they have not. GS's 8 wins have come against 1 team with a winning record (6-4), 2 teams that are 5-5, and 5 teams with a combined record of 7-42. I think you are correct that their offense is gimicky and teams will figure out how to stop it as more game tape is available. Texas State did a good job against them and showed people how to slow it down. Another point is what happens if they lose Fritz after the season to a P5 school and they hire a more conventional offensive minded coach. Let them have their moment.
I have to disagree about the "gimmicky" aspect simply because any offense that scores points can be considered a "gimmicky" offense. A passing attack(gagstate) or running attack(GS) or both(App) all can be defended with the right personnel and a defensive coordinator that is familiar with the scheme being used. YOUR offense or anyone else's can be considered gimmicky. Actually our offense is LESS gimmicky this year than in the past. We are throwing the ball more, but if a team can't stop us running, that's what we'll do all day. The teams that have been effective against our offense are those that can lock down on man to man coverage, have fast linebackers, and can get some penetration on the d line. Texas state has that kind of defense, and unfortunately with a good lead and our defense playing well, we took our foot off the pedal and let them dominate the 4th quarter(statistically). The game was well in hand, they just had a couple of lucky plays and an onside recovery to make it interesting. In the Navy game, turnovers, poor defensive schemes, Senior Day and two weeks to prepare for a road weary team took its toll. It was a perfect storm, we looked horrible and out of sync on offense, but hopefully the real GS will show up in two weeks. I do think a game against APP would be more interesting now, but the result would still be an L for yall at least in Statesboro anyway. In Boone on a cold day, maybe the opposite. Hey, the ONLY reason yall thumped gagstate so badly was the weather, otherwise that is a much tighter game. Their QB can sling it and they have some really good receivers but they play in da dome and can't handle a little weather. Also ULL only beat gagstate by 3 in a tight ball game, so scores just don't tell the whole picture.
As far as the schedule, we played what we were dealt. Eventually it will change and we'll make believers of everyone. We had no trouble with yall this year but next year in Boone will be a war. I have to agree that App is a lot better at this point in the season than they were 4 weeks ago and I think we are about the same. Take care of ULL and be good little goathumpers. If we are the defending conference champs next year, it may help you draw a few more folks to that cold ass rock. ;)
I just about hope we lose if it'll keep you Gumroots from winning the league. :lol:
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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by oldfart » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:22 am

Black Saturday wrote:
oldfart wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:
bertolinidives wrote:I am surprised more has not been said about the fact that South GA did not play A ST or ULL. Had they done so late in the season as we have, it would have been a very different story. The Institute in ATL won the ACC the first year the conference had to deal with the TO but several years later the disciplined and well coached defenses still shut them down. Of course this year they also have a fairly potent passing game as well which is the secret to the long term success of such an offensive scheme. I do not know if the SB D's can achieve that level of discipline but two things are for sure: South GA ain't and never will be as good as GT and App would beat South GA today.

Man, I cannot wait until next year. I hope our bowl game is somewhere warm!
Too me, it is who they have played and not who they have not. GS's 8 wins have come against 1 team with a winning record (6-4), 2 teams that are 5-5, and 5 teams with a combined record of 7-42. I think you are correct that their offense is gimicky and teams will figure out how to stop it as more game tape is available. Texas State did a good job against them and showed people how to slow it down. Another point is what happens if they lose Fritz after the season to a P5 school and they hire a more conventional offensive minded coach. Let them have their moment.
I have to disagree about the "gimmicky" aspect simply because any offense that scores points can be considered a "gimmicky" offense. A passing attack(gagstate) or running attack(GS) or both(App) all can be defended with the right personnel and a defensive coordinator that is familiar with the scheme being used. YOUR offense or anyone else's can be considered gimmicky. Actually our offense is LESS gimmicky this year than in the past. We are throwing the ball more, but if a team can't stop us running, that's what we'll do all day. The teams that have been effective against our offense are those that can lock down on man to man coverage, have fast linebackers, and can get some penetration on the d line. Texas state has that kind of defense, and unfortunately with a good lead and our defense playing well, we took our foot off the pedal and let them dominate the 4th quarter(statistically). The game was well in hand, they just had a couple of lucky plays and an onside recovery to make it interesting. In the Navy game, turnovers, poor defensive schemes, Senior Day and two weeks to prepare for a road weary team took its toll. It was a perfect storm, we looked horrible and out of sync on offense, but hopefully the real GS will show up in two weeks. I do think a game against APP would be more interesting now, but the result would still be an L for yall at least in Statesboro anyway. In Boone on a cold day, maybe the opposite. Hey, the ONLY reason yall thumped gagstate so badly was the weather, otherwise that is a much tighter game. Their QB can sling it and they have some really good receivers but they play in da dome and can't handle a little weather. Also ULL only beat gagstate by 3 in a tight ball game, so scores just don't tell the whole picture.
As far as the schedule, we played what we were dealt. Eventually it will change and we'll make believers of everyone. We had no trouble with yall this year but next year in Boone will be a war. I have to agree that App is a lot better at this point in the season than they were 4 weeks ago and I think we are about the same. Take care of ULL and be good little goathumpers. If we are the defending conference champs next year, it may help you draw a few more folks to that cold ass rock. ;)
I just about hope we lose if it'll keep you Gumroots from winning the league. :lol:

You would... I know its a really hard stretch for yall to make to help us out. Sort of like voting for a cute coed for homecoming queen over the goat you normally pick..
And for those that want to bring up App's all time record against us, I'll respond by saying 6>3. Of course all of that is in the past. To remain relevant to our current level of play, I'll just say 1> 0. Now go beat u lala . It's not often I root for yall, so enjoy my positive thoughts about App this week. :)

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Re: Best Win Since Delaware

Unread post by NoLongerLurking » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:07 pm

This. Best win. Michigan never will count (it was too good to compare). Best win.

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