It's Bur....Joey Time! - GW discussion

[appgrad95&97]

Clark is a good man and a solid coach. I do not think he was the best we could do coming of the '19 season. I think he is over his head and coaches scared at times. I think Gillin expected to be long gone by now. I wish Clark the absolute best, but I don't think he is the best we COULD have done in 2019. I think we look unmotivated at times. I think the 2020, CBS, game at Marshall is an example. I will never get over blowing that halftime lead, at home, versus JMU. I will never get over that performance at Texas St. I don't think we are as good as we were in the late teens, and I HOPE I am wrong. I think Drink only got the Missouri job because we hung on to beat USC. And I KNOW no one cares what I think.

Just curious, who was your top choice as HC when Clark was hired?

I've said this before, and I accept it might be dumb, but I would have looked into Rich Rodriguez. Look that was 2019 and may be a bad answer, but it is my honest one. Let the criticism of that begin.

[AppSt94]

I have spoken to someone very close to the Burger situation and they have asked me to convey a message.

“While we completely and whole heartedly appreciate the concern for Ryan’s broken finger, we ask that you cease discussing the topic. The attention that this unfortunate injury to one finger and the obsessive discussion has left the nine healthy fingers feeling isolated and under valued. We ask that you respect their feelings as well in this difficult time. Thank you App Nation.”

[311neers]

I have spoken to someone very close to the Burger situation and they have asked me to convey a message.

“While we completely and whole heartedly appreciate the concern for Ryan’s broken finger, we ask that you cease discussing the topic. The attention that this unfortunate injury to one finger and the obsessive discussion has left the nine healthy fingers feeling isolated and under valued. We ask that you respect their feelings as well in this difficult time. Thank you App Nation.”

Hahaha this got me. Tomorrow we get a Uni reveal that we will dawn while laying it to UNCheat. GO APPS!

[BambooRdApp]

Clark is a good man and a solid coach. I do not think he was the best we could do coming of the '19 season. I think he is over his head and coaches scared at times. I think Gillin expected to be long gone by now. I wish Clark the absolute best, but I don't think he is the best we COULD have done in 2019. I think we look unmotivated at times. I think the 2020, CBS, game at Marshall is an example. I will never get over blowing that halftime lead, at home, versus JMU. I will never get over that performance at Texas St. I don't think we are as good as we were in the late teens, and I HOPE I am wrong. I think Drink only got the Missouri job because we hung on to beat USC. And I KNOW no one cares what I think.

Just curious, who was your top choice as HC when Clark was hired?

I've said this before, and I accept it might be dumb, but I would have looked into Rich Rodriguez. Look that was 2019 and may be a bad answer, but it is my honest one. Let the criticism of that begin.

It is an opinion. People have different views on approach. For me, I wanted someone with connections to App. St. for the sole reason that they may stay longer. Not that Rich Rod would have left after one or two years. However, I feel like we potentially have them for more years. I did not have a coach in mind as I do not follow the coaching trees of Aop. St. I just hoped for a longer tenure coach. P5 money is real..and hard to pas up.

[yosef95]

Late to the party for fb talk, saw lots of pages of infighting. Anyway. Hope Burger gets healthy asap, but Joey looked to be comfy and dropping bombs. Barely mention of him? Maybe I missed the link

[InFor6More]

Clark is a good man and a solid coach. I do not think he was the best we could do coming of the '19 season. I think he is over his head and coaches scared at times. I think Gillin expected to be long gone by now. I wish Clark the absolute best, but I don't think he is the best we COULD have done in 2019. I think we look unmotivated at times. I think the 2020, CBS, game at Marshall is an example. I will never get over blowing that halftime lead, at home, versus JMU. I will never get over that performance at Texas St. I don't think we are as good as we were in the late teens, and I HOPE I am wrong. I think Drink only got the Missouri job because we hung on to beat USC. And I KNOW no one cares what I think.

I didn’t take the time to read all this other drama, and these points are tough to read but all very fair.

[Stonewall]

I have spoken to someone very close to the Burger situation and they have asked me to convey a message.

“While we completely and whole heartedly appreciate the concern for Ryan’s broken finger, we ask that you cease discussing the topic. The attention that this unfortunate injury to one finger and the obsessive discussion has left the nine healthy fingers feeling isolated and under valued. We ask that you respect their feelings as well in this difficult time. Thank you App Nation.”

Hahaha this got me. Tomorrow we get a Uni reveal that we will dawn while laying it to UNCheat. GO APPS!

All white.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I have spoken to someone very close to the Burger situation and they have asked me to convey a message.

“While we completely and whole heartedly appreciate the concern for Ryan’s broken finger, we ask that you cease discussing the topic. The attention that this unfortunate injury to one finger and the obsessive discussion has left the nine healthy fingers feeling isolated and under valued. We ask that you respect their feelings as well in this difficult time. Thank you App Nation.”

As long as his middle finger isn’t broken, he can still be effective against UNC.

[appstate24]

I have spoken to someone very close to the Burger situation and they have asked me to convey a message.

“While we completely and whole heartedly appreciate the concern for Ryan’s broken finger, we ask that you cease discussing the topic. The attention that this unfortunate injury to one finger and the obsessive discussion has left the nine healthy fingers feeling isolated and under valued. We ask that you respect their feelings as well in this difficult time. Thank you App Nation.”

As long as his middle finger isn’t broken, he can still be effective against UNC.

Post of the year candidate. Well done sir!

GO APPS!!

[BambooRdApp]

There have been references to recruiting classes I believe on this post and others. Although rankings may vary and may not mean much once you get below the elites. App. St's (from 24/7) have been as follows:
2014- 87
2015 - 113
2016 - 109
2017 - 108
2018 - 111
2019 - 99
2020 - 87
2021 - 78
2022 - 94
2023 - 88
And yes, if there is another source, they may have different rankings.

[Bigdaddyg1]

There have been references to recruiting classes I believe on this post and others. Although rankings may vary and may not mean much once you get below the elites. App. St's (from 24/7) have been as follows:
2014- 87
2015 - 113
2016 - 109
2017 - 108
2018 - 111
2019 - 99
2020 - 87
2021 - 78
2022 - 94
2023 - 88
And yes, if there is another source, they may have different rankings.

Is there a re-rank (so to speak) that looks at, say the 2021 class to see how much those guys contributed or if they are still on the roster and playing now? According to the numbers that was our overall highest ranking class. Those guys should be Juniors or redshirt sophomores right? It's been an opinion that we should be really good next year so if that's the case that recruiting class would be juniors and seniors and we should be in good shape.

[BambooRdApp]

There have been references to recruiting classes I believe on this post and others. Although rankings may vary and may not mean much once you get below the elites. App. St's (from 24/7) have been as follows:
2014- 87
2015 - 113
2016 - 109
2017 - 108
2018 - 111
2019 - 99
2020 - 87
2021 - 78
2022 - 94
2023 - 88
And yes, if there is another source, they may have different rankings.

Is there a re-rank (so to speak) that looks at, say the 2021 class to see how much those guys contributed or if they are still on the roster and playing now? According to the numbers that was our overall highest ranking class. Those guys should be Juniors or redshirt sophomores right? It's been an opinion that we should be really good next year so if that's the case that recruiting class would be juniors and seniors and we should be in good shape.

There may be a re-ranking. I am not sure.

[311neers]

There have been references to recruiting classes I believe on this post and others. Although rankings may vary and may not mean much once you get below the elites. App. St's (from 24/7) have been as follows:
2014- 87
2015 - 113
2016 - 109
2017 - 108
2018 - 111
2019 - 99
2020 - 87
2021 - 78
2022 - 94
2023 - 88
And yes, if there is another source, they may have different rankings.

Is there a re-rank (so to speak) that looks at, say the 2021 class to see how much those guys contributed or if they are still on the roster and playing now? According to the numbers that was our overall highest ranking class. Those guys should be Juniors or redshirt sophomores right? It's been an opinion that we should be really good next year so if that's the case that recruiting class would be juniors and seniors and we should be in good shape.

There may be a re-ranking. I am not sure.

It's hard to re-rank with the portal. Pretty much half the kids from each class aren't even on the roster anymore.

But don't look now, we are 66th in 2024...but also have the lowest average ranked recruit in the SBC. Rankings and stars don't mean jack!

[Bigdaddyg1]

There have been references to recruiting classes I believe on this post and others. Although rankings may vary and may not mean much once you get below the elites. App. St's (from 24/7) have been as follows:
2014- 87
2015 - 113
2016 - 109
2017 - 108
2018 - 111
2019 - 99
2020 - 87
2021 - 78
2022 - 94
2023 - 88
And yes, if there is another source, they may have different rankings.

Is there a re-rank (so to speak) that looks at, say the 2021 class to see how much those guys contributed or if they are still on the roster and playing now? According to the numbers that was our overall highest ranking class. Those guys should be Juniors or redshirt sophomores right? It's been an opinion that we should be really good next year so if that's the case that recruiting class would be juniors and seniors and we should be in good shape.

There may be a re-ranking. I am not sure.

It's hard to re-rank with the portal. Pretty much half the kids from each class aren't even on the roster anymore.

But don't look now, we are 66th in 2024...but also have the lowest average ranked recruit in the SBC. Rankings and stars don't mean jack!

Absolutely don't mean a thing if you ain't got that zing.

[AppSt94]

There have been references to recruiting classes I believe on this post and others. Although rankings may vary and may not mean much once you get below the elites. App. St's (from 24/7) have been as follows:
2014- 87
2015 - 113
2016 - 109
2017 - 108
2018 - 111
2019 - 99
2020 - 87
2021 - 78
2022 - 94
2023 - 88
And yes, if there is another source, they may have different rankings.

Is there a re-rank (so to speak) that looks at, say the 2021 class to see how much those guys contributed or if they are still on the roster and playing now? According to the numbers that was our overall highest ranking class. Those guys should be Juniors or redshirt sophomores right? It's been an opinion that we should be really good next year so if that's the case that recruiting class would be juniors and seniors and we should be in good shape.

There may be a re-ranking. I am not sure.

It's hard to re-rank with the portal. Pretty much half the kids from each class aren't even on the roster anymore.

But don't look now, we are 66th in 2024...but also have the lowest average ranked recruit in the SBC. Rankings and stars don't mean jack!

Absolutely don't mean a thing if you ain't got that zing.

Ring

[ericsaid]

If the player doesn't let anybody know the significance of the injury, how do you expect anybody to know?

Burger told everybody he was fine to play until it got hit again and he could no longer take the pain.

This is what drives me absolutely up the wall. 94 points out that GW knew Burger was hurt and made a defensive adjustment. Burger's QBR was 19. Clearly there was an issue. He was hurt that's not his fault. But a criticism of Clark is he can be stubborn.

Even in the post game presser, Clark said he made the decision to go to Aguilar because Burger had a jammed finger. A jammed finger! He had no idea it was broken even after the game. He put Aguilar in not based on any kind of injury (again, Clark still thought it was just a jammed finger -- nothing serious). He took him out based on performance (which turns out was less than what was expected because the injury happened on the first drive).

Anybody and everybody saw the fingers taped together. GW did too. That doesn't mean anybody and everybody knew the significance of the injury. Even when Burger was taken out, he fought against it. He didn't want to be taken out -- again, making it seem like it wasn't that significant of an injury.

You are reaching -- as you do on everything -- just to put the blame on Clark. It really must be exhausting to be that spiteful towards a person that no matter what, he is the bad guy...

I'm not the Clark hater you think I am. I'm not sure I have criticized him. I've asked questions. I think asking why an injured QB was left in for basically a half when we have a solid backup against an FCS opponent is a fair question. Clark is not a doctor, I don't expect him to diagnose a broken finger versus a jammed one. But maybe evaluating the performance of a player who is taped up and saying "gosh, there maybe an issue given his performance in practice", shouldn't take a half.

You do realize that his TD pass to Wilson came with a broken finger?

He was struggling, not failing. There is a difference and sometimes you have to let them figure it out.

I'm late to this party but that throw had noticeably less spin on it than any other throw he made and I was curious about it. Makes sense now.

[Saint3333]

Gardner Webb seems to be struggling out of the gate despite the high praise received during this thread. Won in the closing seconds versus Elon and lost in the last minute versus Tenn. St.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/t ... n-bulldogs

[hapapp]

Gardner Webb seems to be struggling out of the gate despite the high praise received during this thread. Won in the closing seconds versus Elon and lost in the last minute versus Tenn. St.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/t ... n-bulldogs

Its not their offense that is responsible for the losses. The QB is averaging 200+ yds passing and Gaither is averaging 100+ yards on the ground per game. They recently lost to the Tenn State team that lost to Notre Dame 56-3. They are giving up over 30 points a game.

[311neers]

Gardner Webb seems to be struggling out of the gate despite the high praise received during this thread. Won in the closing seconds versus Elon and lost in the last minute versus Tenn. St.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/t ... n-bulldogs

Chalk that one up to having 1st game jitters. If we played them this week, I would expect a 50-10 game. They're nothing more than a middle of the road FCS team and not receiving any top 40 votes.

[Black Saturday]

Gardner Webb seems to be struggling out of the gate despite the high praise received during this thread. Won in the closing seconds versus Elon and lost in the last minute versus Tenn. St.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/t ... n-bulldogs

You know everybody we play is always at their peak and gunning for us and we are their Super Bowl