Birmingham Bowl

[Cro-Magnon App]

Somebody had to bring up Kane Brown. ‍🤪 True enough. MJ thought he was gonna be all world.

[ah59396]

Somebody had to bring up Kane Brown. ‍🤪 True enough. MJ thought he was gonna be all world.

Haha I’m just some bozo so I can/have/will be wrong. Definitely more than right.

I wasn’t even picking on Stonewall there, there’s just a long distinguished list of elite level players who were awful once they got into coaching/GM roles. Gretzky, Ted Williams, MJ, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson. Obviously there’s guys like
Larry Bird or Steve Kerr that bucked that trend too.

I’m a hockey guy so I always wondered if Gretzky was just like “it’s easy just go out there and score like I did”.

[Seattleapp]

Coach Dlo acknowledged in his presser that he overlooked Wilson and was second guessing his decision on that. He even stated that he didn't give Wilson the help he needed and that he needed to change that. No one knows how someone will be at QB, or any position for that matter. All you can do is assess them in practice and hope you got it right. Just remember that Wilson was on the team when Clark was here as well. He never saw the field then either. I have had soccer players that just did horrid in practice at certain positions so they got moved. For some reason or another (injury or player not available) you have to play that person in the position they don't excel at in practice. Suddenly they turn it on in the game. The only reason you found this out is because your back was against the wall and you had no other option. You don't just throw people in games to test something out unless you are up big on points, down big on points, or have no other option. Armanti got on the field due to an injury to the starting QB (Trey Elder). Elder was the better and more established QB, according to the coaches. Turns out they were wrong. It happens...

If Loggains couldn’t see that Wilson had running ability at the very least despite him watching him run the scout team all season then he sucks at evaluating talent. We had Joey at qb when Clark was here so no need for Wilson to play at qb so that’s apples to oranges. And it essentially took Gillan being awful…again for Wilson to get the lions share of the work yesterday. Loggains is supposed to be the offensive guru. I just can’t fathom how he can say now that he had no idea Wilson had this ability. And by your own words DL clearly got it wrong.

Again, you open mouth and insert foot.... Joey only got to play because Burger got hurt. Burger wasn't better than Joey yet Clark thought he was.... so you make my point. Wilson still has a lot to be desired when it comes to throwing. He made a good throw to Stroman but he was no Kohl when it came to throwing. I didn't say Dlo got it wrong..... Wilson is NOT the answer to our QB problems. You keep trying little buddy.

You perfectly encapsulate the keyboard ethos. Pointless insults when someone responds to your post. Clearly it’s the echo chamber you need and responses like this only continue to highlight your insecurity. I wasn’t even talking about your position. I was directing my response toward Loggains, which you introduced to the board. And you inferred a connection between Joey and Wilson, never did you bring up Burger in your post. Again, the reflexive defensiveness is unnecessary. I’m used to tough guy snarky comments from behind a screen from you, but it still doesn’t address Loggains doing a terrible job managing his quarterbacks this season.

And based on your response to me one can only surmise you want people on here to laud Loggains for making these statements instead of correctly pointing out it’s a little late for that. And while Kohl throws a better ball, Wilson may get needed yards on the ground. Which Kohl clearly was adverse to. But we shouldn’t expect a head coach with nfl and p4 experience to be able to recognize that.

[Seattleapp]

Coach Dlo acknowledged in his presser that he overlooked Wilson and was second guessing his decision on that. He even stated that he didn't give Wilson the help he needed and that he needed to change that. No one knows how someone will be at QB, or any position for that matter. All you can do is assess them in practice and hope you got it right. Just remember that Wilson was on the team when Clark was here as well. He never saw the field then either. I have had soccer players that just did horrid in practice at certain positions so they got moved. For some reason or another (injury or player not available) you have to play that person in the position they don't excel at in practice. Suddenly they turn it on in the game. The only reason you found this out is because your back was against the wall and you had no other option. You don't just throw people in games to test something out unless you are up big on points, down big on points, or have no other option. Armanti got on the field due to an injury to the starting QB (Trey Elder). Elder was the better and more established QB, according to the coaches. Turns out they were wrong. It happens...

If Loggains couldn’t see that Wilson had running ability at the very least despite him watching him run the scout team all season then he sucks at evaluating talent. We had Joey at qb when Clark was here so no need for Wilson to play at qb so that’s apples to oranges. And it essentially took Gillan being awful…again for Wilson to get the lions share of the work yesterday. Loggains is supposed to be the offensive guru. I just can’t fathom how he can say now that he had no idea Wilson had this ability. And by your own words DL clearly got it wrong.

Again, you open mouth and insert foot.... Joey only got to play because Burger got hurt. Burger wasn't better than Joey yet Clark thought he was.... so you make my point. Wilson still has a lot to be desired when it comes to throwing. He made a good throw to Stroman but he was no Kohl when it came to throwing. I didn't say Dlo got it wrong..... Wilson is NOT the answer to our QB problems. You keep trying little buddy.

Wilson: I saw some raw talent reminiscent of Armanti, especially his runs and some of his decision making. Throwing the ball needs work but overall I think if he'd been at the helm all game long the out come would have been closer if not different.

Why have a respectful yet spirited back and forth when you can just insult the other person? In all seriousness, the confidence he played with was evident and I agree with you. Probably wouldn’t have won, but Wilson was maximizing his abilities , not simply looking like he was making practice throws which app quarterbacks did alot this season

[ASUTodd]

Coach Dlo acknowledged in his presser that he overlooked Wilson and was second guessing his decision on that. He even stated that he didn't give Wilson the help he needed and that he needed to change that. No one knows how someone will be at QB, or any position for that matter. All you can do is assess them in practice and hope you got it right. Just remember that Wilson was on the team when Clark was here as well. He never saw the field then either. I have had soccer players that just did horrid in practice at certain positions so they got moved. For some reason or another (injury or player not available) you have to play that person in the position they don't excel at in practice. Suddenly they turn it on in the game. The only reason you found this out is because your back was against the wall and you had no other option. You don't just throw people in games to test something out unless you are up big on points, down big on points, or have no other option. Armanti got on the field due to an injury to the starting QB (Trey Elder). Elder was the better and more established QB, according to the coaches. Turns out they were wrong. It happens...

If Loggains couldn’t see that Wilson had running ability at the very least despite him watching him run the scout team all season then he sucks at evaluating talent. We had Joey at qb when Clark was here so no need for Wilson to play at qb so that’s apples to oranges. And it essentially took Gillan being awful…again for Wilson to get the lions share of the work yesterday. Loggains is supposed to be the offensive guru. I just can’t fathom how he can say now that he had no idea Wilson had this ability. And by your own words DL clearly got it wrong.

Again, you open mouth and insert foot.... Joey only got to play because Burger got hurt. Burger wasn't better than Joey yet Clark thought he was.... so you make my point. Wilson still has a lot to be desired when it comes to throwing. He made a good throw to Stroman but he was no Kohl when it came to throwing. I didn't say Dlo got it wrong..... Wilson is NOT the answer to our QB problems. You keep trying little buddy.

You perfectly encapsulate the keyboard ethos. Pointless insults when someone responds to your post. Clearly it’s the echo chamber you need and responses like this only continue to highlight your insecurity. I wasn’t even talking about your position. I was directing my response toward Loggains, which you introduced to the board. And you inferred a connection between Joey and Wilson, never did you bring up Burger in your post. Again, the reflexive defensiveness is unnecessary. I’m used to tough guy snarky comments from behind a screen from you, but it still doesn’t address Loggains doing a terrible job managing his quarterbacks this season.

And based on your response to me one can only surmise you want people on here to laud Loggains for making these statements instead of correctly pointing out it’s a little late for that. And while Kohl throws a better ball, Wilson may get needed yards on the ground. Which Kohl clearly was adverse to. But we shouldn’t expect a head coach with nfl and p4 experience to be able to recognize that.

I'm sorry I hurt you when I didn't support Clark in his last two years. I'll do better.

[Stonewall]

My agenda is winning. I like D Lo personally and I hope he gets it done. Soon.

[ASUTodd]

My agenda is winning. I like D Lo personally and I hope he gets it done. Soon.

I like the guy but you are right... next season he best get it going in the right direction. If not, his tenure here will be short.

[AppWyo]

Just like Loggains had said all season how the players needed to learn how to win, he and his coaches need to learn to win as well. This season is over, but that does not mean things have not been learned by everyone the players, the coaches, the fans, and the administrators.

I believe Appalachian is a special place and will continue to be a special place. I am glad that Clark and Loggains have not seemed to be mean people accept the blame for losses and congratulate others on success.

I believe the future is bright for Appalachian Football.

We lost this game, but we won because we did play it when we could have passed on it like so many schools did. Like it or not we had to play this game against Georgia Southern when no one Infront of us would not. We bailed Georgia Southern out of a tough situation. Yes, it hurts to lose to them, but they can never say we did not play them when we had the opportunity to do so.

The score does not reflect the game that was played, but most of their team did not opt out of this game where we had 27 opt out of this game. So, who is really the better team?

[Saint3333]

Swann is a classic case of a coach putting a lot of chips behind and wanting him to be the guy.

This won’t be the last time a coach recruits a transfer get donors to pony up and then ride him longer than he should.

[Seattleapp]

Coach Dlo acknowledged in his presser that he overlooked Wilson and was second guessing his decision on that. He even stated that he didn't give Wilson the help he needed and that he needed to change that. No one knows how someone will be at QB, or any position for that matter. All you can do is assess them in practice and hope you got it right. Just remember that Wilson was on the team when Clark was here as well. He never saw the field then either. I have had soccer players that just did horrid in practice at certain positions so they got moved. For some reason or another (injury or player not available) you have to play that person in the position they don't excel at in practice. Suddenly they turn it on in the game. The only reason you found this out is because your back was against the wall and you had no other option. You don't just throw people in games to test something out unless you are up big on points, down big on points, or have no other option. Armanti got on the field due to an injury to the starting QB (Trey Elder). Elder was the better and more established QB, according to the coaches. Turns out they were wrong. It happens...

If Loggains couldn’t see that Wilson had running ability at the very least despite him watching him run the scout team all season then he sucks at evaluating talent. We had Joey at qb when Clark was here so no need for Wilson to play at qb so that’s apples to oranges. And it essentially took Gillan being awful…again for Wilson to get the lions share of the work yesterday. Loggains is supposed to be the offensive guru. I just can’t fathom how he can say now that he had no idea Wilson had this ability. And by your own words DL clearly got it wrong.

Again, you open mouth and insert foot.... Joey only got to play because Burger got hurt. Burger wasn't better than Joey yet Clark thought he was.... so you make my point. Wilson still has a lot to be desired when it comes to throwing. He made a good throw to Stroman but he was no Kohl when it came to throwing. I didn't say Dlo got it wrong..... Wilson is NOT the answer to our QB problems. You keep trying little buddy.

You perfectly encapsulate the keyboard ethos. Pointless insults when someone responds to your post. Clearly it’s the echo chamber you need and responses like this only continue to highlight your insecurity. I wasn’t even talking about your position. I was directing my response toward Loggains, which you introduced to the board. And you inferred a connection between Joey and Wilson, never did you bring up Burger in your post. Again, the reflexive defensiveness is unnecessary. I’m used to tough guy snarky comments from behind a screen from you, but it still doesn’t address Loggains doing a terrible job managing his quarterbacks this season.

And based on your response to me one can only surmise you want people on here to laud Loggains for making these statements instead of correctly pointing out it’s a little late for that. And while Kohl throws a better ball, Wilson may get needed yards on the ground. Which Kohl clearly was adverse to. But we shouldn’t expect a head coach with nfl and p4 experience to be able to recognize that.

I'm sorry I hurt you when I didn't support Clark in his last two years. I'll do better.

If only you actually meant that. Again the deflection and feeble condescension is not a good look.

[BambooRdApp]

Wilson is not our answer at QB. He was better than 11 overall yesterday. He is below average for accuracy for an RPO type QB. Maybe he gets better with accuracy with more reps. From what I saw yesterday, he is not the the long-term answer.

[t4pizza]

I’ll ask the same question, I asked weeks ago and never saw a decent response.
Outside of DJ’s defense, where did we improve this year in season? What mistakes did we stop making?

You can say we didn’t have the horses, but part of the job is development and improvement. This group was together continually from the beginning of August until the end of the year.

The answer is that we DID NOT improve this year in any area at all. We never stopped making mistakes from the first game to the last. The best I can say is that the kids responded after the JMU debacle and showed up to play the last two games, and even the bowl game. I give credit to DLo for that, and for what seems to be our best recruiting class. But that is about it. I do not think we are a well-coached football team, and I saw nothing throughout the course of the year to make me think we will be in the future under this same regime. While bragging about NFL experience may have gotten him the job and it obviously works really well in recruiting kids, it sure didn't do squat for us in actually winning football games.

[appdaze]

I love how the arm chair QBs are judging Wilson's abilities and saying he can't do it after seeing him play on a depleted team against a non depleted team. This is like any other sport. You have absolutely no idea what that young man would have e done with full first team reps and off-season reps. You have no idea. Yet you are on here crapping on him. If I am a player there is no way in hell I would want to play for some of you. You ha e become the poster children for modern college football. "Can you win for me right now." Not can they be developed. I hope those that complain respond with their wallets.

[t4pizza]

I’ll ask the same question, I asked weeks ago and never saw a decent response.
Outside of DJ’s defense, where did we improve this year in season? What mistakes did we stop making?

You can say we didn’t have the horses, but part of the job is development and improvement. This group was together continually from the beginning of August until the end of the year.

I want to see what he does with his own guys. End of story. If he can’t get it done with his own personnel, happy trails.

It’s honestly very difficult to have any genuine conversation on this staff because so many people here have obvious emotional agendas connected with this staff vs the prior. I have/had no personal connection with either.

If Loggains can’t get it done with his own guys, see ya. but we should give him time to find out.

I have zero personal agenda with this staff. My opinions are based only on what I have seen this year. When you say his own guys, just what do you mean by that, what is the percentage for you? I mean, there were over 50 new players on this year's team, I would call that his own guys. Most of the offense he brought in from the portal, and much of the defense. How much more does he need to bring in for it to be his guys? In this new era of college football, a team's fortunes can turn around almost immediately. I have given plenty of examples in other threads of first year coaches that replaced the same number of players in the first year yet were still able to have success. I hope you are right; I want App to win again, I just don't see it with this staff.

[mike87]

Wilson was the first QB this season that was willing to lead. You get a guy who's willing to sacrifice his ego and his body to will the ball forward you better hang on to him. His passing wasn't that much worse than Armanti's tbh. He could be fun to watch.

[Stonewall]

Mentioned above , the lack of improvement during the season , is recognized and admitted by some of those who signed off on the hire as the major concern. Well , outside of the won-loss record. You may have seen the video of the meeting and the hype surrounding the recruiting class . That’s what we are hanging out hat on.