Football Scoop: Coach Blalock not returning/Jones not DC

[Gonzo]

This is not a slam to Dale Jones but if the reason to fire is that we were the 90th best defense why is it the line coach gets fired instead of the DC? Is our entire defense made up of the line? OR could it be that we don't know what we are talking about and SS does.

Jones is still under contract and he is no longer the DC. He was as fired as he could have been.

[MountaineerPOV]

I attempted to post this previously, so if this is a repeat, sorry. I am a long time reader of the MMB but a first time poster, so please disregard any grammatical errors and/or inferred injustices as they are not intended that way. This is just my point of view, so to speak, of what went down with the defensive coaching staff:

Coach Satterfield went in for the interview, and they loved him, wanted to hire him even, with one request...that he agree to make some changes to the defensive side of the ball in order to get the job. One of those requests may have been that he get a new DC. One caveat, as so many on here have pointed out, he can't fire Coach Jones because he has a contract that we can't afford to buy out.
Now this leaves Coach Satterfield in a tight spot because he has coached with all of these guys for the past year and has been friends for many of them for longer than that.
Coach Jones and Coach Sloan have contracts thus can't be fired, but he can demote Coach Jones and keep him on as a position coach.
He needs to keep a minority on staff especially if they more up, unspoken rule of college football I have heard.
He played college football with Coach Ivey, and he would hate to do that to a close friend
He needs to hire a new DC, thus he needs to fire someone to open up a spot on the defensive side of the ball.
Thus, that leaves Coach Blalock as the odd man out, regardless of his coaching ability, he was the one who got the boot.
Again this is just my opinion, don't flame me too bad.

[bcoach]

This is not a slam to Dale Jones but if the reason to fire is that we were the 90th best defense why is it the line coach gets fired instead of the DC? Is our entire defense made up of the line? OR could it be that we don't know what we are talking about and SS does.

Jones is still under contract and he is no longer the DC. He was as fired as he could have been.

I understand. My point was not Jones, it was the theory being given for fireing Blalock. I would think it should be based on the line performance not the total defense. I am not SS and don't pretend to be but my best guess is that SS didn't lay the performance of the whole defense on Blalock.

In refrence to Jones, if we were as prepared for the next level as we think we are, any coach could be fired. It happens all the time. It just takes money.

[Gonzo]

Are we going to have a multi thread bitch fit ever time we part with a coach from now on? I guess some of you aren't used to it since the only time coaches left ASU in the past 24 years it was because they chose to or Cobb forced them to.

Seriously this is a business.

I trust our new head coach and am more confident in his ability as a leader after his decisive changes on the defensive staff.

[hapapp]

One of the problems is we seem to want there to always be some sort of turmoil to discuss. We really don't know what the discussion was between Scott and Jason. It may not have the "you stink, get the heck out" conversion that some seem to think always happens when a coach is let go. I'd bet it was more of a "we want to go in a different direction and your contract want be renewed, I know a few places who are looking for coaches and I'll give you a great reference". Our Dline play wasn't great but it had more to do with it than just coaching. I know when Lonnie Galloway was at ASU he thought a lot of Jason. Maybe he wasn't getting the job done like Scott wants him to but that's no reason to trash him just for the sake of sparking conversation. I'm sure wiseahseapp will learn a lot more during the holiday right from the horses mouth. And I hope he'll let it stay in the family and not air it here, as much as some of you want more dirt to spit.

Excellent points all around. Let's face it, rational people think we are all lunatics. There is no need to do any more to confirm that.

[hapapp]

Are we going to have a multi thread bitch fit ever time we part with a coach from now on? I guess some of you aren't used to it since the only time coaches left ASU in the past 24 years it was because they chose to or Cobb forced them to.

Seriously this is a business.

I trust our new head coach and am more confident in his ability as a leader after his decisive changes on the defensive staff.

For the most part this discussion degenerated not over the changes per se but how some folks reacted to someone's defense of the coach who was let to. Let's not pretend we know why he was let go. It may have been performance or it may have he was the most expendable based on the changes. And while it is a business, and coaches have very little job security and certainly know it when they are hired, it makes it no less painful than if you were cut from your job.

I, too, trust Scott's judgement and believe he deserves some wide latitude in putting together a staff he thinks can better the program.

[TheMoody1]

This is not a slam to Dale Jones but if the reason to fire is that we were the 90th best defense why is it the line coach gets fired instead of the DC? Is our entire defense made up of the line? OR could it be that we don't know what we are talking about and SS does.

I believe it is because Jones is still under contract and Blalock was not.

[The Annoying Peasant]

Are we going to have a multi thread bitch fit ever time we part with a coach from now on? I guess some of you aren't used to it since the only time coaches left ASU in the past 24 years it was because they chose to or Cobb forced them to.

Seriously this is a business.

I trust our new head coach and am more confident in his ability as a leader after his decisive changes on the defensive staff.

For the most part this discussion degenerated not over the changes per se but how some folks reacted to someone's defense of the coach who was let to. Let's not pretend we know why he was let go. It may have been performance or it may have he was the most expendable based on the changes. And while it is a business, and coaches have very little job security and certainly know it when they are hired, it makes it no less painful than if you were cut from your job.

I, too, trust Scott's judgement and believe he deserves some wide latitude in putting together a staff he thinks can better the program.

Once word of these multi-year contracts began leaking out it became evident there were some issues to be dealt with. The university entrusted Scott with the program and should give him the flexibility to hire the guys he is comfortable with. It is unfortunate anyone has to lose their position but that is the nature of the business. It is just as unfortunate some people see fit to personalize these things. I wanted Tim Horton to be named our new coach but that does not mean I was against Scott. Some people have a hard time separating the two.

[WVAPPeer]

"but nobody made any personal attacks against him."

JT - I would saying calling for him to be fired is a personal attack - I'm not saying I am not upset with any changes Coach Satterfield chooses to make - my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

[GlassOnion]

"but nobody made any personal attacks against him."

JT - I would saying calling for him to be fired is a personal attack - I'm not saying I am not upset with any changes Coach Satterfield chooses to make - my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

Its a public job. If he doesnt want to be publicly scrutinized he can join the private sector. He'll now have a chance to do just that.

[goapps93]

Some people are way too sensitive around here. There were a few posts questioning Blalock's performance based on the poor play of our defense this year, but nobody made any personal attacks against him. I have no idea how good of a coach he is, but we all know our D-Line did struggle this year. Maybe it was personnel or maybe it was coaching. Obviously Satterfield felt like a change in coaches needed to be made, and he has much more knowledge of the situation than anyone here. Much worse things have been said about other coaches in the past, and most comments on the MMB are tame compared to other message boards. Jason is an ASU guy so hopefully he can get another college coaching job an do well there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

The slam was actually on wiseasheapp for stating that he would pull for whichever team his son-in-law ended up at. Someone took that as him stating that his loyalty would shift when what he was actually saying was that he would support his family and hates to see Jason leave Boone. Then it kind of took off from their. Time to move on now.

[Gonzo]

"but nobody made any personal attacks against him."

JT - I would saying calling for him to be fired is a personal attack - I'm not saying I am not upset with any changes Coach Satterfield chooses to make - my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

Are you serious? I'm beginning to wonder if you know what a "personal attack" is.

And people aren't calling for him to be fired. They are speculating as to why he WAS fired and his being a part of a poor defensive staff last year is a pretty easy conclusion to jump to.

[bcoach]

One of the problems is we seem to want there to always be some sort of turmoil to discuss. We really don't know what the discussion was between Scott and Jason. It may not have the "you stink, get the heck out" conversion that some seem to think always happens when a coach is let go. I'd bet it was more of a "we want to go in a different direction and your contract want be renewed, I know a few places who are looking for coaches and I'll give you a great reference". Our Dline play wasn't great but it had more to do with it than just coaching. I know when Lonnie Galloway was at ASU he thought a lot of Jason. Maybe he wasn't getting the job done like Scott wants him to but that's no reason to trash him just for the sake of sparking conversation. I'm sure wiseahseapp will learn a lot more during the holiday right from the horses mouth. And I hope he'll let it stay in the family and not air it here, as much as some of you want more dirt to spit.

Excellent points all around. Let's face it, rational people think we are all lunatics. There is no need to do any more to confirm that.

True but we can't help ourselves.

[hapapp]

"but nobody made any personal attacks against him."

JT - I would saying calling for him to be fired is a personal attack - I'm not saying I am not upset with any changes Coach Satterfield chooses to make - my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

Are you serious? I'm beginning to wonder if you know what a "personal attack" is.

And people aren't calling for him to be fired. They are speculating as to why he WAS fired and his being a part of a poor defensive staff last year is a pretty easy conclusion to jump to.

Again, the discussion that went south wasn't about Blaylock but rather was directed towards wiseahseapp for comments he made in reference to his son-in-law. See goapps93 post just prior to yours.

[bcoach]

"but nobody made any personal attacks against him."

JT - I would saying calling for him to be fired is a personal attack - I'm not saying I am not upset with any changes Coach Satterfield chooses to make - my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

Well said. There is only one stat that can't be manipulated and that is on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

[GlassOnion]

Well said. There is only one stat that can't be manipulated and that is on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

I hate to tell you this...


but we lost.

[bcoach]

Well said. There is only one stat that can't be manipulated and that is on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

I hate to tell you this...


but we lost.

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[GlassOnion]

my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

Well said. There is only one stat that can't be manipulated and that is on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

If the end of game scoreboard is the only stat eligable for use, it stands to reason 3 playoff losses in a row, 2 of them serious blowouts, should be enough to initiate a change up on the defensive staff. This year the game was closer, but it certainly wasnt because of defensive prowess.

If Im allowed to go further, three playoff games in which we've given up an average of 38 points a game. If the objective is to win National Championships, surely we dont expect to do it giving up 38 points a game in the playoffs?

[bcoach]

my problem is underinformed "fans" calling for coaches to be fired based on whatever stats they decide to use ---

Well said. There is only one stat that can't be manipulated and that is on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

If the end of game scoreboard is the only stat eligable for use, it stands to reason 3 playoff losses in a row, 2 of them serious blowouts, should be enough to initiate a change up on the defensive staff. This year the game was closer, but it certainly wasnt because of defensive prowess.

If Im allowed to go further, three playoff games in which we've given up an average of 38 points a game. If the objective is to win National Championships, surely we dont expect to do it giving up 38 points a game in the playoffs?

I was not referring to any particular game, nor was I referring to any particular coach. Just an observation on the use of stats. I didn't say it was not eligable for use just that they can be manipulated for a particular use. I understand now your refrence but when it comes to coaches I don't have a dog in the fight. I do wish that our DBs would be coached to turn and look for the ball but maybe that could be done without firing the coach.

[GlassOnion]

I was not referring to any particular game, nor was I referring to any particular coach. Just an observation on the use of stats. I didn't say it was not eligable for use just that they can be manipulated for a particular use. I understand now your refrence but when it comes to coaches I don't have a dog in the fight. I do wish that our DBs would be coached to turn and look for the ball but maybe that could be done without firing the coach.

Ahh, I thought you were agreeing with WV's position in general, which seems to be: "no one on the staff should be fired ever, and if you agree with firing them, youre a bad bad man," and supporting it with "Look! Eight conference wins!" when the ultimate goal of the program is to win NCs, and we've been ousted first round 3 years in a row now, giving up 38 points per contest.

National Championships are the ultimate goal of our program, not Socon championships, and not 1/3 of a Socon championship. A number of people here seem content with lowering the bar to reach it.