Up Next...UNC

[AppStateNews]

Very true and you make a valid point....but Zach could run very well and I think we had a better overall talented team then vs a much weaker Carolina team talent wise plus we were under the radar coming into that game. I remember actually expecting to beat Carolina in that one and I think many others did too.

That's fair. I agree 2019 had better individual talent but I think we have more depth this year.

It especially seems like we do on defense in a few spots. I looked at the numbers on PFF and they got us credited with 19 offensive players and 28 defensive players who played.

We played 10 DBs, 6 DL, and 12 LBs. That seemed like a solid number for this game. On offense we had 2 QBs, 7 WRs, 2 TEs, 6 OL, and 2 RBs. I was hoping to see 2-3 more OL, 1-2 more RBs, and another TE but overall we did see a lot. If we had Marshall, Castle, and McKnight able to play I feel like they all would have seen the field as well.

We had 13 players on the roster in 2019 that were in NFL camps this summer (some have since been released/cut). Listed below. I did this pretty quick so I may have missed some; nonetheless, there's a reason we won 13 games.

Jalen Virgil WR Denver Broncos
Nick Hampton LB Los Angeles Rams
Steven Jones. DB Tennessee Titans
Akeem Davis-Gaither LB Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan Neuzil OL. Atlanta Falcons
Cooper Hodges OL Jacksonville Jaguars
Darrynton Evans RB Buffalo Bills
Anderson Hardy OL Kansas City Chiefs
Henry Pearson FB/TE Green Bay Packers
Demarco Jackson LB New Orleans Saints
Shaun Jolly DB. Los Angeles Rams
Shemar Jean-Charles DB Green Bay Packers
Cameron Peoples RB Carolina Panthers

We have some on this roster who are going to get a shot but definitely not the same among seniors. Noel is only senior who has any shot to get drafted as of now.

Here is the status of those you listed. Almost half were cut.
Jalen Virgil WR Denver Broncos- IR
Nick Hampton LB Los Angeles Rams
Steven Jones. DB Tennessee Titans- Cut
Akeem Davis-Gaither LB Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan Neuzil OL. Atlanta Falcons
Cooper Hodges OL Jacksonville Jaguars- IR
Darrynton Evans RB Buffalo Bills- Cut and signed to Dolphins practice squad.
Anderson Hardy OL Kansas City Chiefs- Cut
Henry Pearson FB/TE Green Bay Packers- PS
Demarco Jackson LB New Orleans Saints
Shaun Jolly DB. Los Angeles Rams- Cut
Shemar Jean-Charles DB Green Bay Packers- Cut and signed to 49ers practice squad
Cameron Peoples RB Carolina Panthers- Cut

Hmmm.. Noel is the only senior really producing high enough for the NFL in 2023? The year the 2019 and 2020 classes should be producing those? And yet it's just "excuses" when it's mentioned the failed 2019 and 2020 classes are the reason why we see a decrease in on field production...

Again, that is not a hack at Drink. It's a shot at Satt and Drink...

[Black Saturday]

SC has been here long enough to make a difference with the portal just like others have in a short time.

[ASUFan4863]

That's fair. I agree 2019 had better individual talent but I think we have more depth this year.

It especially seems like we do on defense in a few spots. I looked at the numbers on PFF and they got us credited with 19 offensive players and 28 defensive players who played.

We played 10 DBs, 6 DL, and 12 LBs. That seemed like a solid number for this game. On offense we had 2 QBs, 7 WRs, 2 TEs, 6 OL, and 2 RBs. I was hoping to see 2-3 more OL, 1-2 more RBs, and another TE but overall we did see a lot. If we had Marshall, Castle, and McKnight able to play I feel like they all would have seen the field as well.

We had 13 players on the roster in 2019 that were in NFL camps this summer (some have since been released/cut). Listed below. I did this pretty quick so I may have missed some; nonetheless, there's a reason we won 13 games.

Jalen Virgil WR Denver Broncos
Nick Hampton LB Los Angeles Rams
Steven Jones. DB Tennessee Titans
Akeem Davis-Gaither LB Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan Neuzil OL. Atlanta Falcons
Cooper Hodges OL Jacksonville Jaguars
Darrynton Evans RB Buffalo Bills
Anderson Hardy OL Kansas City Chiefs
Henry Pearson FB/TE Green Bay Packers
Demarco Jackson LB New Orleans Saints
Shaun Jolly DB. Los Angeles Rams
Shemar Jean-Charles DB Green Bay Packers
Cameron Peoples RB Carolina Panthers

We have some on this roster who are going to get a shot but definitely not the same among seniors. Noel is only senior who has any shot to get drafted as of now.

Here is the status of those you listed. Almost half were cut.
Jalen Virgil WR Denver Broncos- IR
Nick Hampton LB Los Angeles Rams
Steven Jones. DB Tennessee Titans- Cut
Akeem Davis-Gaither LB Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan Neuzil OL. Atlanta Falcons
Cooper Hodges OL Jacksonville Jaguars- IR
Darrynton Evans RB Buffalo Bills- Cut and signed to Dolphins practice squad.
Anderson Hardy OL Kansas City Chiefs- Cut
Henry Pearson FB/TE Green Bay Packers- PS
Demarco Jackson LB New Orleans Saints
Shaun Jolly DB. Los Angeles Rams- Cut
Shemar Jean-Charles DB Green Bay Packers- Cut and signed to 49ers practice squad
Cameron Peoples RB Carolina Panthers- Cut

Hmmm.. Noel is the only senior really producing high enough for the NFL in 2023? The year the 2019 and 2020 classes should be producing those? And yet it's just "excuses" when it's mentioned the failed 2019 and 2020 classes are the reason why we see a decrease in on field production...

Again, that is not a hack at Drink. It's a shot at Satt and Drink...

I hope I don't send this thread into an off-topic with this but someone would do it anyways.......

That's why we don't need to be screaming Fire Clark every second we get. The casual fans just expect a 50-0 win each week and they will never be pleased obviously. He is trying to overhaul the roster for the long-term and that doesn't happen overnight in college football.

To tie it back into UNC - look at them. They had many huge recruits but little on-field success. It seems like it may be heading in the right direction for them to be a great team. That took Mack Brown 4 seasons I think.

[Black Saturday]

Very true and you make a valid point....but Zach could run very well and I think we had a better overall talented team then vs a much weaker Carolina team talent wise plus we were under the radar coming into that game. I remember actually expecting to beat Carolina in that one and I think many others did too.

That's fair. I agree 2019 had better individual talent but I think we have more depth this year.

It especially seems like we do on defense in a few spots. I looked at the numbers on PFF and they got us credited with 19 offensive players and 28 defensive players who played.

We played 10 DBs, 6 DL, and 12 LBs. That seemed like a solid number for this game. On offense we had 2 QBs, 7 WRs, 2 TEs, 6 OL, and 2 RBs. I was hoping to see 2-3 more OL, 1-2 more RBs, and another TE but overall we did see a lot. If we had Marshall, Castle, and McKnight able to play I feel like they all would have seen the field as well.

Why did we run Noel 24 times with all the backs we have and risk injury against GW even after the game was decided? Did we need the "practice" or is it just dumb? I think our RBs 2-3-4 are capable of offering relief.

Why did we play 10 yards off the receivers all game long and allow the bubble screen to be completed, and not bring any pressure until later in the game? Were we afraid of Gaither?

Needed adjustments continue to be slow in my opinion.

Happy our backup QB can see the field and throw the ball in a shoebox.

I believe 2 of our backup RBs were hurt or they would have played. Moose can confirm that? I did think it would be nice to have seen a couple of the others though.

I also agree some adjustments were slow in being made but I think we got to give them a few weeks. I firmly believe the staff viewed GW as a game to tinker around and play with some things to see what works. Hopefully they got all those issues out of the way because we got to be more consistent, limit mistakes, and see improved OL play or the UNC game will be a really long one.

I am going to be interested to see how much the line goes up because it just feels low with UNC being ranked and us looking like we did. It was -14.5 but moved up to -17.5 already. Could it hit -20.5?

yes with our "no name" defense

[AppStateNews]

SC has been here long enough to make a difference with the portal just like others have in a short time.

Correct. He didn't hit the portal too late to compete in conference. No denying that. He'll tell you the same thing.

[311neers]

That's fair. I agree 2019 had better individual talent but I think we have more depth this year.

It especially seems like we do on defense in a few spots. I looked at the numbers on PFF and they got us credited with 19 offensive players and 28 defensive players who played.

We played 10 DBs, 6 DL, and 12 LBs. That seemed like a solid number for this game. On offense we had 2 QBs, 7 WRs, 2 TEs, 6 OL, and 2 RBs. I was hoping to see 2-3 more OL, 1-2 more RBs, and another TE but overall we did see a lot. If we had Marshall, Castle, and McKnight able to play I feel like they all would have seen the field as well.

Why did we run Noel 24 times with all the backs we have and risk injury against GW even after the game was decided? Did we need the "practice" or is it just dumb? I think our RBs 2-3-4 are capable of offering relief.

Why did we play 10 yards off the receivers all game long and allow the bubble screen to be completed, and not bring any pressure until later in the game? Were we afraid of Gaither?

Needed adjustments continue to be slow in my opinion.

Happy our backup QB can see the field and throw the ball in a shoebox.

I believe 2 of our backup RBs were hurt or they would have played. Moose can confirm that? I did think it would be nice to have seen a couple of the others though.

I also agree some adjustments were slow in being made but I think we got to give them a few weeks. I firmly believe the staff viewed GW as a game to tinker around and play with some things to see what works. Hopefully they got all those issues out of the way because we got to be more consistent, limit mistakes, and see improved OL play or the UNC game will be a really long one.

I am going to be interested to see how much the line goes up because it just feels low with UNC being ranked and us looking like we did. It was -14.5 but moved up to -17.5 already. Could it hit -20.5?

yes with our "no name" defense

-18 right now. Drake Maye effect. They did just beat an SEC team, albeit, a pretty bad one, by 17.

[Black Saturday]

It especially seems like we do on defense in a few spots. I looked at the numbers on PFF and they got us credited with 19 offensive players and 28 defensive players who played.

We played 10 DBs, 6 DL, and 12 LBs. That seemed like a solid number for this game. On offense we had 2 QBs, 7 WRs, 2 TEs, 6 OL, and 2 RBs. I was hoping to see 2-3 more OL, 1-2 more RBs, and another TE but overall we did see a lot. If we had Marshall, Castle, and McKnight able to play I feel like they all would have seen the field as well.

Why did we run Noel 24 times with all the backs we have and risk injury against GW even after the game was decided? Did we need the "practice" or is it just dumb? I think our RBs 2-3-4 are capable of offering relief.

Why did we play 10 yards off the receivers all game long and allow the bubble screen to be completed, and not bring any pressure until later in the game? Were we afraid of Gaither?

Needed adjustments continue to be slow in my opinion.

Happy our backup QB can see the field and throw the ball in a shoebox.

I believe 2 of our backup RBs were hurt or they would have played. Moose can confirm that? I did think it would be nice to have seen a couple of the others though.

I also agree some adjustments were slow in being made but I think we got to give them a few weeks. I firmly believe the staff viewed GW as a game to tinker around and play with some things to see what works. Hopefully they got all those issues out of the way because we got to be more consistent, limit mistakes, and see improved OL play or the UNC game will be a really long one.

I am going to be interested to see how much the line goes up because it just feels low with UNC being ranked and us looking like we did. It was -14.5 but moved up to -17.5 already. Could it hit -20.5?

yes with our "no name" defense

-18 right now. Drake Maye effect. They did just beat an SEC team, albeit, a pretty bad one, by 17.

While it took our late adjustments to finally start making a difference with an FCS, it we continue to be late on adjustments, the Holes will be out of reach. I do like the fact that Aguilar can see the field and showed he is extremely accurate, maybe that can keep us in the game seeing how The Cocks had a good day passing.

[Stonewall]

SC is not a "bad one" ,they have talent everywhere , size and speed .UNC looked the best I remember them since the days of LT anyway. We are up against it with nothing to lose ...Give ...them...Helllllll....!!!

[Black Saturday]

SC is not a "bad team" ,they have talent everywhere , size and speed .UNC looked the best I remember them since the days of LT anyway. We are up against it with nothing to lose ...Give ...them...Helllllll....!!!

4 and 5 star players

[BeauFoster]

People who compare every team we put on the field to the 2019 version are going to be perpetually disappointed. That was a special team. I’d love to live up to that standard every year but that isn’t remotely realistic

2019 was special. Expecting to beat two FBS teams in the same season is unrealistic. Expecting to go 13-1 is unrealistic. BUT the three years before '19 we averaged 10-3, in the three years after we've averaged 8.3-4.3. The explanations going in the the UNC game were much higher than going into this one (and that more than the venue).

I sure as hell hope he beat two FBS teams in the same season. If we don’t do that, then why are we playing FBS football?

[BambooRdApp]

How many years of eligibility does Air Aguilar have left? Sometimes class description may be different than eligibility.

[appstate77]

Michigan was loaded with 4 and 5 star players. If we do not think we can win then we are back to FCS and playing for a paycheck. Beat CHEAT!

[BambooRdApp]

So was A&M...best recruiting classes money could buy

[311neers]

SC is not a "bad team" ,they have talent everywhere , size and speed .UNC looked the best I remember them since the days of LT anyway. We are up against it with nothing to lose ...Give ...them...Helllllll....!!!

4 and 5 star players

If you have 3 QBs in your starting lineup, you aren’t going to win many games in that conference. SC is up against it this year, their roster isn’t as strong as last year. They’ll be middle of the road 6-6. UNC did look good though and destroyed them in the trenches. I think we will look better than SC and put up a better fight!

[Appmountaineers19]

Remember we were -19 favorites against TexST. Anything can happen.

Denny Greene said it best "If you want to crown them - then crown their a$$es"

[hapapp]

Why did we run Noel 24 times with all the backs we have and risk injury against GW even after the game was decided? Did we need the "practice" or is it just dumb? I think our RBs 2-3-4 are capable of offering relief.

Why did we play 10 yards off the receivers all game long and allow the bubble screen to be completed, and not bring any pressure until later in the game? Were we afraid of Gaither?

Needed adjustments continue to be slow in my opinion.

Happy our backup QB can see the field and throw the ball in a shoebox.

I believe 2 of our backup RBs were hurt or they would have played. Moose can confirm that? I did think it would be nice to have seen a couple of the others though.

I also agree some adjustments were slow in being made but I think we got to give them a few weeks. I firmly believe the staff viewed GW as a game to tinker around and play with some things to see what works. Hopefully they got all those issues out of the way because we got to be more consistent, limit mistakes, and see improved OL play or the UNC game will be a really long one.

I am going to be interested to see how much the line goes up because it just feels low with UNC being ranked and us looking like we did. It was -14.5 but moved up to -17.5 already. Could it hit -20.5?

yes with our "no name" defense

-18 right now. Drake Maye effect. They did just beat an SEC team, albeit, a pretty bad one, by 17.

While it took our late adjustments to finally start making a difference with an FCS, it we continue to be late on adjustments, the Holes will be out of reach. I do like the fact that Aguilar can see the field and showed he is extremely accurate, maybe that can keep us in the game seeing how The Cocks had a good day passing.

It remains to be seen if our receivers will be as wide open as they were against GW. His problem will come if he has too much confidence in his arm and he tries to force throws that aren't there. I hope he's not a hit or miss type QB. That's not to take away from his performance Saturday, we don't win without it. He seems to be a cool customer, he'll have to be on Saturday.

[Black Saturday]

Michigan was loaded with 4 and 5 star players. If we do not think we can win then we are back to FCS and playing for a paycheck. Beat CHEAT!

With the changing landscape of NIL and portal out of control, you may be close to being right soon of us being glorified FCS, because if a player shines at our level he's swept away by money and exposure our level programs can't compete with the next season. It has been made hard to hold onto our stars, didn't we lose a lineman to Oklahoma and an outside linebacker to Auburn for mo' money? We are almost a farm team for the BIG Money conferences and them the farm teams for the NFL. On the flip side we can get players on the way back down in search of playing time that wouldn't have sniffed us out of high school.

[biggie]

Seems we may have to have a good set quick/short routes for our WRs given their pass rush. Unless we can run the ball well and keep them at home for a moment with play action. But that wouldn't seem likely given the running holes vs GW.

[ASUchipman]

It especially seems like we do on defense in a few spots. I looked at the numbers on PFF and they got us credited with 19 offensive players and 28 defensive players who played.

We played 10 DBs, 6 DL, and 12 LBs. That seemed like a solid number for this game. On offense we had 2 QBs, 7 WRs, 2 TEs, 6 OL, and 2 RBs. I was hoping to see 2-3 more OL, 1-2 more RBs, and another TE but overall we did see a lot. If we had Marshall, Castle, and McKnight able to play I feel like they all would have seen the field as well.

We had 13 players on the roster in 2019 that were in NFL camps this summer (some have since been released/cut). Listed below. I did this pretty quick so I may have missed some; nonetheless, there's a reason we won 13 games.

Jalen Virgil WR Denver Broncos
Nick Hampton LB Los Angeles Rams
Steven Jones. DB Tennessee Titans
Akeem Davis-Gaither LB Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan Neuzil OL. Atlanta Falcons
Cooper Hodges OL Jacksonville Jaguars
Darrynton Evans RB Buffalo Bills
Anderson Hardy OL Kansas City Chiefs
Henry Pearson FB/TE Green Bay Packers
Demarco Jackson LB New Orleans Saints
Shaun Jolly DB. Los Angeles Rams
Shemar Jean-Charles DB Green Bay Packers
Cameron Peoples RB Carolina Panthers

We have some on this roster who are going to get a shot but definitely not the same among seniors. Noel is only senior who has any shot to get drafted as of now.

Here is the status of those you listed. Almost half were cut.
Jalen Virgil WR Denver Broncos- IR
Nick Hampton LB Los Angeles Rams
Steven Jones. DB Tennessee Titans- Cut
Akeem Davis-Gaither LB Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan Neuzil OL. Atlanta Falcons
Cooper Hodges OL Jacksonville Jaguars- IR
Darrynton Evans RB Buffalo Bills- Cut and signed to Dolphins practice squad.
Anderson Hardy OL Kansas City Chiefs- Cut
Henry Pearson FB/TE Green Bay Packers- PS
Demarco Jackson LB New Orleans Saints
Shaun Jolly DB. Los Angeles Rams- Cut
Shemar Jean-Charles DB Green Bay Packers- Cut and signed to 49ers practice squad
Cameron Peoples RB Carolina Panthers- Cut

Hmmm.. Noel is the only senior really producing high enough for the NFL in 2023? The year the 2019 and 2020 classes should be producing those? And yet it's just "excuses" when it's mentioned the failed 2019 and 2020 classes are the reason why we see a decrease in on field production...

Again, that is not a hack at Drink. It's a shot at Satt and Drink...

I hope I don't send this thread into an off-topic with this but someone would do it anyways.......

That's why we don't need to be screaming Fire Clark every second we get. The casual fans just expect a 50-0 win each week and they will never be pleased obviously. He is trying to overhaul the roster for the long-term and that doesn't happen overnight in college football.

To tie it back into UNC - look at them. They had many huge recruits but little on-field success. It seems like it may be heading in the right direction for them to be a great team. That took Mack Brown 4 seasons I think.

Quit making logical arguments. You’re supposed to come on here and make nonsensical comments and demand everyone be fired.

[Stonewall]

Pass rush is a major concern , as it was against TAMU...