The cancer on this program is

[AppfaninCAALand]

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.

3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.

I thought at the time, and probably said on here, that Clark would be one of those coaches that would not be good enough to be hired away to a "bigger" school, but also not bad enough to fire. So far, that has been true. Time will tell on this season.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire. That doesn't mean its a bad move, sometimes it works out great. Elevating assistant field hockey coach Emily Dinsmore was a lazy hire by Gillan as well, but were it not for blowning late 4th quarter leads vs Richmond and VCU a few weeks back, she could quite likely have App State field hockey nationally ranked, and that would have been an unthinkable occurance only a few short years ago for sure.

Anyway, I hope Clark can turn it around and become a lazy hire that worked out, but my hope is fading.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire.

So Satterfield was a lazy hire?

Yes it was lazy. I recall people (not me) saying that very thing on this board in Sat's first year+ struggles.

I also said it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, sometimes its the right move and works out great. Satterfield was one of those times it turned out great.

My point was to dismiss the lazy hire talk. There are plenty of other things to be concerned about.

[AppWyo]

At this point if you think Clark is the answer then he is more important to you than the program.

The program is the people...

The people should matter more than the score on the scoreboard.

Your argument would ring a lot more clear if you didn’t have the logo of another team in your YOSEF’S CABIN profile. But that’s just me.

Just another poster with a fallback team.

At least I took the time to put something...

Actually I bleed black and gold like everyone else on this board and only wear merchandise from schools I actually attended. I just put something up there that was different than everyone else on this board. Steamboat personifies every thing about the entire state of Wyoming not just the University. Steamboat has been on every license plate since 1935. The Cowboy way is much like the Mountaineer way, "I'll do it myself!"

Craig Bohl who just retired from being the head coach at Wyoming has a record of 61-60 in 10 years at Wyoming. Which also places him as the winningest head football coach at the University of Wyoming. It is much easier to be an App fan.

[AppinVA]

At this point if you think Clark is the answer then he is more important to you than the program.

The program is the people...

The people should matter more than the score on the scoreboard.

Your argument would ring a lot more clear if you didn’t have the logo of another team in your YOSEF’S CABIN profile. But that’s just me.

Just another poster with a fallback team.

At least I took the time to put something...

Actually I bleed black and gold like everyone else on this board and only wear merchandise from schools I actually attended. I just put something up there that was different than everyone else on this board. Steamboat personifies every thing about the entire state of Wyoming not just the University. Steamboat has been on every license plate since 1935. The Cowboy way is much like the Mountaineer way, "I'll do it myself!"

Craig Bohl who just retired from being the head coach at Wyoming has a record of 61-60 in 10 years at Wyoming. Which also places him as the winningest head football coach at the University of Wyoming. It is much easier to be an App fan.

I’ll have to put something when I can get around to it. I’ll try to make it original.

I do like Wyoming, and I do want to see it one day, but it will have to wait.

[Yosefus]

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.

3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.

I thought at the time, and probably said on here, that Clark would be one of those coaches that would not be good enough to be hired away to a "bigger" school, but also not bad enough to fire. So far, that has been true. Time will tell on this season.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire. That doesn't mean its a bad move, sometimes it works out great. Elevating assistant field hockey coach Emily Dinsmore was a lazy hire by Gillan as well, but were it not for blowning late 4th quarter leads vs Richmond and VCU a few weeks back, she could quite likely have App State field hockey nationally ranked, and that would have been an unthinkable occurance only a few short years ago for sure.

Anyway, I hope Clark can turn it around and become a lazy hire that worked out, but my hope is fading.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire.

So Satterfield was a lazy hire?

Yes it was lazy. I recall people (not me) saying that very thing on this board in Sat's first year+ struggles.

I also said it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, sometimes its the right move and works out great. Satterfield was one of those times it turned out great.

My point was to dismiss the lazy hire talk. There are plenty of other things to be concerned about.

I think with Satt's first few years was the unknown of the transition to FBS, after the 1st year 7-5 in FBS I think we could all agree that everyone could see and feel the progress. The current regime I see and feel the exact opposite and it's a pretty steep backslide.

[Saint3333]

What kind of revisionist history is going on here.

Satt was brought back as a coach in waiting, Coach Moore knew that was supposed to be his last year.

We did not have FBS level talent Satt’s first year. He built it from that into a top 25 team.

There are FOIA documents and standings to substantiate these statements.

[AppWyo]

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.

3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.

I thought at the time, and probably said on here, that Clark would be one of those coaches that would not be good enough to be hired away to a "bigger" school, but also not bad enough to fire. So far, that has been true. Time will tell on this season.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire. That doesn't mean its a bad move, sometimes it works out great. Elevating assistant field hockey coach Emily Dinsmore was a lazy hire by Gillan as well, but were it not for blowning late 4th quarter leads vs Richmond and VCU a few weeks back, she could quite likely have App State field hockey nationally ranked, and that would have been an unthinkable occurance only a few short years ago for sure.

Anyway, I hope Clark can turn it around and become a lazy hire that worked out, but my hope is fading.

As for a "lazy hire", anytime you just elevate an assistant coach to fill a head coach vacancy, it is a lazy hire.

So Satterfield was a lazy hire?

Yes it was lazy. I recall people (not me) saying that very thing on this board in Sat's first year+ struggles.

I also said it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, sometimes its the right move and works out great. Satterfield was one of those times it turned out great.

My point was to dismiss the lazy hire talk. There are plenty of other things to be concerned about.

I think with Satt's first few years was the unknown of the transition to FBS, after the 1st year 7-5 in FBS I think we could all agree that everyone could see and feel the progress. The current regime I see and feel the exact opposite and it's a pretty steep backslide.

Not as steep as Troy's.

[DenverOfTheEast]

You make a lot of good points above. I don't think most App fans expect ten win seasons every year. But the drop off with the football program has shocked me (I don't think I'm alone). Before last night had us 90 out of 264 division I teams-that'll fall further.

With respect to Gillin, specifically, let me say a few things: First, I think his first five years were absolutely fantastic. Like the football team, the last five years not great.

1. I said in 2019 that Clark was a lazy hire, buy I wished him well and hoped he would grow into the job.
2. I was not crazy about dropping programs.
3. While I really hoped Clark would grow into the job, it doesn't seem like he has or will. That makes me question his extention.
4. I have raised concerns about the finances for all the proposed facilities plans. About two years ago "funding was secured" for the East tower. I believe (from the Sept. BOT meeting), the reality is we have $20 million is soft commitments.
5. Basketball is finally looking good again. I'm not sure that raising season ticket prices makes a lot of sense. I think we should be trying to add season ticket holders not discouraging them.
6. I don't understand why he used part of his presentation at the BOT to claim the community doesn't invest enough in athletics.

I fully recognize there is room to disagree agree with every single point I've raised. But my opinion is that there are concerns out there.

1) Inaccurate statement there are only 130ish FBS programs aka D1 football, not 264. There are 364 D1 basketball programs. Different numbers for different sports top to bottom actually. but 90 out of 130 is even worse.

2) This is so TRUE -- Gillin got totally lazy during the stay at home COVID period, after he got the extension from Ricks - he hasn't worked hard at all, gets a retention bonus each year, blew the Cincy smoke to fake out Ricks.

Raising ticket prices for that weak basketball schedule is like over taxing the citizens.
No indoor practice facility for football, other SBC have passed App in facilities.

Clark has had to deal with the following:
1.Portal (started around 2019)
2.Pandemic,
3. BLM George Floyd stuff in the locker room 2020
4.OC's leaving every year almost - Peterson to Illinois, the other skinny kid to Miss St, plus Watts & Jeep Wade went to P5's - probably others
5. Weak NIL funds
6. OL suicide
7. Generational Flood

And I think Gillin never did him favors with the Non Conf Schedule.

I like all of your points!

[311neers]

BLM George Floyd stuff made me choke on my Filet.

[appgrad95&97]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

[Bootsy]

At this point if you think Clark is the answer then he is more important to you than the program.

The program is the people...

The people should matter more than the score on the scoreboard.

Your argument would ring a lot more clear if you didn’t have the logo of another team in your YOSEF’S CABIN profile. But that’s just me.

Just another poster with a fallback team.

At least I took the time to put something...

Actually I bleed black and gold like everyone else on this board and only wear merchandise from schools I actually attended. I just put something up there that was different than everyone else on this board. Steamboat personifies every thing about the entire state of Wyoming not just the University. Steamboat has been on every license plate since 1935. The Cowboy way is much like the Mountaineer way, "I'll do it myself!"

Craig Bohl who just retired from being the head coach at Wyoming has a record of 61-60 in 10 years at Wyoming. Which also places him as the winningest head football coach at the University of Wyoming. It is much easier to be an App fan.

I’ll have to put something when I can get around to it. I’ll try to make it original.

I do like Wyoming, and I do want to see it one day, but it will have to wait.

Wyoming, Colorado, Utah...what a lovely part of the world. And wonderful people!
Get out there when you can...but realize you may want to stay and not come home.

[bcoach]

I've beat this drum already, and I'll keep going. Please stop with the App retreads and "App family." Our next coach needs to be fresh blood. A young, hungry, up-and-comer. I still think we should throw the TN OC an offer when the time comes.

https://utsports.com/staff-directory/jo ... 0Athletics

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21

Sounds like Mike Working. And how did that work out?

Its a completely different situation with a completely different resume in a completely, and incomparable, era of college football. I would absolutely take a young up and comer who is eager to win instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity.

You really think SC wants to settle into mediocrity?

[AppinVA]

The program is the people...

The people should matter more than the score on the scoreboard.

Your argument would ring a lot more clear if you didn’t have the logo of another team in your YOSEF’S CABIN profile. But that’s just me.

Just another poster with a fallback team.

At least I took the time to put something...

Actually I bleed black and gold like everyone else on this board and only wear merchandise from schools I actually attended. I just put something up there that was different than everyone else on this board. Steamboat personifies every thing about the entire state of Wyoming not just the University. Steamboat has been on every license plate since 1935. The Cowboy way is much like the Mountaineer way, "I'll do it myself!"

Craig Bohl who just retired from being the head coach at Wyoming has a record of 61-60 in 10 years at Wyoming. Which also places him as the winningest head football coach at the University of Wyoming. It is much easier to be an App fan.

I’ll have to put something when I can get around to it. I’ll try to make it original.

I do like Wyoming, and I do want to see it one day, but it will have to wait.

Wyoming, Colorado, Utah...what a lovely part of the world. And wonderful people!
Get out there when you can...but realize you may want to stay and not come home.

Nah. wouldn’t want to get into a “what time is it out there,” question every call home.

[appdaze]

I've beat this drum already, and I'll keep going. Please stop with the App retreads and "App family." Our next coach needs to be fresh blood. A young, hungry, up-and-comer. I still think we should throw the TN OC an offer when the time comes.

https://utsports.com/staff-directory/jo ... 0Athletics

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21

Sounds like Mike Working. And how did that work out?

Its a completely different situation with a completely different resume in a completely, and incomparable, era of college football. I would absolutely take a young up and comer who is eager to win instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity.

You really think SC wants to settle into mediocrity?

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

[bcoach]

I've beat this drum already, and I'll keep going. Please stop with the App retreads and "App family." Our next coach needs to be fresh blood. A young, hungry, up-and-comer. I still think we should throw the TN OC an offer when the time comes.

https://utsports.com/staff-directory/jo ... 0Athletics

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21

Sounds like Mike Working. And how did that work out?

Its a completely different situation with a completely different resume in a completely, and incomparable, era of college football. I would absolutely take a young up and comer who is eager to win instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity.

You really think SC wants to settle into mediocrity?

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

Maybe you didn't mean to but that is exactly what you did say.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

[DenverOfTheEast]

BLM George Floyd stuff made me choke on my Filet.

Team march around Boone, several Assistant AD's and one Assistant Defensive Coach that are no longer around that stirred the pot... yes it was a team distraction. Understand the internal things that went on before you choke again on your cheap steak.

[BambooRdApp]

BLM George Floyd stuff made me choke on my Filet.

Team march around Boone, several Assistant AD's and one Assistant Defensive Coach that are no longer around that stirred the pot... yes it was a team distraction. Understand the internal things that went on before you choke again on your cheap steak.

I think the correct term for a filet is a chick steak

[appdaze]

Sounds like Mike Working. And how did that work out?

Its a completely different situation with a completely different resume in a completely, and incomparable, era of college football. I would absolutely take a young up and comer who is eager to win instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity.

You really think SC wants to settle into mediocrity?

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

Maybe you didn't mean to but that is exactly what you did say.

Can you quote and highlight exactly where I said SC wants mediocrity? I'm genuinely curious.

[appst89]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

FBS and FCS are both Division 1. Perhaps you should know that before you call out others. If a school sponsors football, it has to be D1 in order for their basketball program to be D1, thus FCS is considered D1 football. Everyone knows the scholarship numbers are different, but that wasn't the debate. The debate was D1, and you were wrong. You should apologize.

[Bootsy]

Good point; I'm not sure how poster-on-poster jibes around how we define "D1 athletics" is helping here.