Revisiting Track Removal/Renovation

[Saint3333]

I like the idea diesel. Would you be willing to wait 3-4 years (turf replaced for 2011 season) until we need new turf for a project like that?

Personally I would just to do it the right way.

[NewApp]

IMO this needs to be priority #1 on the docket. It really is small time and not aesthetically pleasing either. If we're taking money out of the equation the it's absolutely realistic to have it out of there in 5 years, Duke did it in an off season. As for problems with digging down, I would assume if they had no problems putting the track down there shouldn't be any problem tearing it up. Could be wrong, though. Not sure how I would feel about what Nevada did either, I kinda like it but the on the other hand it's a cheap fix and still doesn't look great.

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

[EastHallApp]

Blasting 10 ft of rock out of the entire field, digging down, replacing the field, and adding a couple rows of seats on each side seems like a much more expensive and time consuming option than moving the field 25 ft towards the home stands and building a new lower deck on top of the existing visitor's side concrete slab.

I'm OCD when it comes to stadium symmetry and that should allow us to match the pitch of each side's lower decks.

Do you mean replacing the existing East side deck, or putting additional seating in front of what's already there?

[AppDawg]

At the least if the track stays make it charcoal color

Black with gold lines???

Until a new location for track could be found, what about green? If we could color match the green field turf, then it would be semi-camoflauged. Perhaps????

This track is located in Vermont:

[Yosef10]

IMO this needs to be priority #1 on the docket. It really is small time and not aesthetically pleasing either. If we're taking money out of the equation the it's absolutely realistic to have it out of there in 5 years, Duke did it in an off season. As for problems with digging down, I would assume if they had no problems putting the track down there shouldn't be any problem tearing it up. Could be wrong, though. Not sure how I would feel about what Nevada did either, I kinda like it but the on the other hand it's a cheap fix and still doesn't look great.

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

The track itself doesn't look high schoolish, the track being part of the football stadium looks high schoolish. We're one of the last, if not the last, FBS schools with a track around the field. Nobody who comes into KBS "admires" us for having a track, I only get jokes about it. There's a reason this project is number one on the docket. Being cheap doesn't get you anywhere.

[JTApps1]

Blasting 10 ft of rock out of the entire field, digging down, replacing the field, and adding a couple rows of seats on each side seems like a much more expensive and time consuming option than moving the field 25 ft towards the home stands and building a new lower deck on top of the existing visitor's side concrete slab.

I'm OCD when it comes to stadium symmetry and that should allow us to match the pitch of each side's lower decks.

Do you mean replacing the existing East side deck, or putting additional seating in front of what's already there?

We could build new lower leave seats that either connect to or come up just below the current upper deck, and have that lower section wrap around both end zones as well. The lower east side is falling apart anyway so why not replace it and leave the upper level or possibly expand the upper deck as well?

[APPdiesel]

Do you mean replacing the existing East side deck, or putting additional seating in front of what's already there?

All that means is removing the aluminum bleachers on the east side lower deck and pouring a new concrete slab on top of the one that's already there. Probably wouldn't have to be more than 5 ft thick, extend it 25 ft further out at the bottom. Then if we wanted to get fancy, either start over with new and improved chair back seating or reuse the old aluminum seats, and add (whatever it comes out to be) 10-15 new rows in front.

[EastHallApp]

Do you mean replacing the existing East side deck, or putting additional seating in front of what's already there?

All that means is removing the aluminum bleachers on the east side lower deck and pouring a new concrete slab on top of the one that's already there. Probably wouldn't have to be more than 5 ft thick, extend it 25 ft further out at the bottom. Then if we wanted to get fancy, either start over with new and improved chair back seating or reuse the old aluminum seats, and add (whatever it comes out to be) 10-15 new rows in front.

Got it, thanks. Sounds like a good idea to me. I would LOVE chair back seating, though I don't know if it would make sense financially for us.

[NewApp]

IMO this needs to be priority #1 on the docket. It really is small time and not aesthetically pleasing either. If we're taking money out of the equation the it's absolutely realistic to have it out of there in 5 years, Duke did it in an off season. As for problems with digging down, I would assume if they had no problems putting the track down there shouldn't be any problem tearing it up. Could be wrong, though. Not sure how I would feel about what Nevada did either, I kinda like it but the on the other hand it's a cheap fix and still doesn't look great.

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

The track itself doesn't look high schoolish, the track being part of the football stadium looks high schoolish. We're one of the last, if not the last, FBS schools with a track around the field. Nobody who comes into KBS "admires" us for having a track, I only get jokes about it. There's a reason this project is number one on the docket. Being cheap doesn't get you anywhere.

Being foolish with limited funds doesn't either. Hell, we have to raise money on this forum to buy conditioning equipment. The categorical fund bugaboo is baloney.

[fjblair]

I agree with everyone that the track removal is top priority but I was at a thing last night and DG was given the opportunity to prioritize facilities needs and he couldn't really assign priority. The needs are many and more than just football. Improving soccer and softball facilities are also top priority along with continuing football improvements. Geography is our blessing and our enemy.

I think Holmes is getting a video board and the Rock is getting an new board next year. But I really want us to find somewhere to relocate the track.

[bcoach]

IMO this needs to be priority #1 on the docket. It really is small time and not aesthetically pleasing either. If we're taking money out of the equation the it's absolutely realistic to have it out of there in 5 years, Duke did it in an off season. As for problems with digging down, I would assume if they had no problems putting the track down there shouldn't be any problem tearing it up. Could be wrong, though. Not sure how I would feel about what Nevada did either, I kinda like it but the on the other hand it's a cheap fix and still doesn't look great.

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

The track itself doesn't look high schoolish, the track being part of the football stadium looks high schoolish. We're one of the last, if not the last, FBS schools with a track around the field. Nobody who comes into KBS "admires" us for having a track, I only get jokes about it. There's a reason this project is number one on the docket. Being cheap doesn't get you anywhere.

I agree that improvements would be cool and will come at some point. I have never heard anything but complements though about our stadium. I have brought friends from other schools and they were all complementary about our facilities. If someone came and made jokes I would just chalk it up to maturity. Improvements will come as the funds to do so become available. When it happens my guess is that it will be first class.

[NewApp]

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

The track itself doesn't look high schoolish, the track being part of the football stadium looks high schoolish. We're one of the last, if not the last, FBS schools with a track around the field. Nobody who comes into KBS "admires" us for having a track, I only get jokes about it. There's a reason this project is number one on the docket. Being cheap doesn't get you anywhere.

I agree that improvements would be cool and will come at some point. I have never heard anything but complements though about our stadium. I have brought friends from other schools and they were all complementary about our facilities. If someone came and made jokes I would just chalk it up to maturity. Improvements will come as the funds to do so become available. When it happens my guess is that it will be first class.

100% agree.

[NewApp]

IMO this needs to be priority #1 on the docket. It really is small time and not aesthetically pleasing either. If we're taking money out of the equation the it's absolutely realistic to have it out of there in 5 years, Duke did it in an off season. As for problems with digging down, I would assume if they had no problems putting the track down there shouldn't be any problem tearing it up. Could be wrong, though. Not sure how I would feel about what Nevada did either, I kinda like it but the on the other hand it's a cheap fix and still doesn't look great.

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

The track itself doesn't look high schoolish, the track being part of the football stadium looks high schoolish. We're one of the last, if not the last, FBS schools with a track around the field. Nobody who comes into KBS "admires" us for having a track, I only get jokes about it. There's a reason this project is number one on the docket. Being cheap doesn't get you anywhere.

If that's all they have to joke about, we are fine. At least we don't have a joke of a football program like many of them do. At our niche, we are top notch.

[APPdiesel]

Why does everyone want a new video board? The current one is only a few years old. Unless you're saying a video board on top of Owens.

[firemoose]

Being foolish with limited funds doesn't either. Hell, we have to raise money on this forum to buy conditioning equipment. The categorical fund bugaboo is baloney.

We're not raising funds just to buy conditioning equipment. We're raising funds to buy equipment that is not normally something available at schools at our level. Very few, if any, G5 S & C programs have Tendo units, specialty trap bars, and bumper plates with lifetime warranties. Nor do they have dual position lifting stations like those that we're raising funds for now. Do we have to have them? No. Can we get by with the normal equipment that is part of any G5 budget? Yes. Does this equipment that we're attempting to help Mike purchase give us an advantage over our peer schools? Yes it does, in several ways.

You've been critical of this since last year. You don't want to be a part of it then that's fine. It's your decision. But don't use our efforts as validation for your position when you don't know or don't care exactly what it is truly about. I suggest you take your own advise in the tiny type in your signature. I'll modify it to help you.

Note: If you don't like what others are trying to do, be smart instead of a smart arse and stay out of any and all discussions and threads about S & C fundraising. That about covers it.

[Yosef10]

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

The track itself doesn't look high schoolish, the track being part of the football stadium looks high schoolish. We're one of the last, if not the last, FBS schools with a track around the field. Nobody who comes into KBS "admires" us for having a track, I only get jokes about it. There's a reason this project is number one on the docket. Being cheap doesn't get you anywhere.

I agree that improvements would be cool and will come at some point. I have never heard anything but complements though about our stadium. I have brought friends from other schools and they were all complementary about our facilities. If someone came and made jokes I would just chalk it up to maturity. Improvements will come as the funds to do so become available. When it happens my guess is that it will be first class.

We do have nice facilities for the most part, the track and east side of the stadium being the exceptions. The people I know who have made comments were plenty mature (weren't degrading comments, just observations), they just also know college football and went to bigger football schools and know we're one of the only FBS schools with a track still. It's not the end of the world obviously but the sooner the better.

[EastHallApp]

Being foolish with limited funds doesn't either. Hell, we have to raise money on this forum to buy conditioning equipment. The categorical fund bugaboo is baloney.

We're not raising funds just to buy conditioning equipment. We're raising funds to buy equipment that is not normally something available at schools at our level. Very few, if any, G5 S & C programs have Tendo units, specialty trap bars, and bumper plates with lifetime warranties. Nor do they have dual position lifting stations like those that we're raising funds for now. Do we have to have them? No. Can we get by with the normal equipment that is part of any G5 budget? Yes. Does this equipment that we're attempting to help Mike purchase give us an advantage over our peer schools? Yes it does, in several ways.

You've been critical of this since last year. You don't want to be a part of it then that's fine. It's your decision. But don't use our efforts as validation for your position when you don't know or don't care exactly what it is truly about. I suggest you take your own advise in the tiny type in your signature. I'll modify it to help you.

Note: If you don't like what others are trying to do, be smart instead of a smart arse and stay out of any and all discussions and threads about S & C fundraising. That about covers it.

[NewApp]

Being foolish with limited funds doesn't either. Hell, we have to raise money on this forum to buy conditioning equipment. The categorical fund bugaboo is baloney.

We're not raising funds just to buy conditioning equipment. We're raising funds to buy equipment that is not normally something available at schools at our level. Very few, if any, G5 S & C programs have Tendo units, specialty trap bars, and bumper plates with lifetime warranties. Nor do they have dual position lifting stations like those that we're raising funds for now. Do we have to have them? No. Can we get by with the normal equipment that is part of any G5 budget? Yes. Does this equipment that we're attempting to help Mike purchase give us an advantage over our peer schools? Yes it does, in several ways.

You've been critical of this since last year. You don't want to be a part of it then that's fine. It's your decision. But don't use our efforts as validation for your position when you don't know or don't care exactly what it is truly about. I suggest you take your own advise in the tiny type in your signature. I'll modify it to help you.

Note: If you don't like what others are trying to do, be smart instead of a smart arse and stay out of any and all discussions and threads about S & C fundraising. That about covers it.

I'm not critical, I'm just saying that with the TV revenue we are supposedly getting, that despite categorical funding, there should be funding that will pay for it whether it is something other programs have or not. That money could go to increase levels of Yosef scholarship money which goes directly to student athletes in all sports. I stand by most posts.

[NewApp]

Being foolish with limited funds doesn't either. Hell, we have to raise money on this forum to buy conditioning equipment. The categorical fund bugaboo is baloney.

We're not raising funds just to buy conditioning equipment. We're raising funds to buy equipment that is not normally something available at schools at our level. Very few, if any, G5 S & C programs have Tendo units, specialty trap bars, and bumper plates with lifetime warranties. Nor do they have dual position lifting stations like those that we're raising funds for now. Do we have to have them? No. Can we get by with the normal equipment that is part of any G5 budget? Yes. Does this equipment that we're attempting to help Mike purchase give us an advantage over our peer schools? Yes it does, in several ways.

You've been critical of this since last year. You don't want to be a part of it then that's fine. It's your decision. But don't use our efforts as validation for your position when you don't know or don't care exactly what it is truly about. I suggest you take your own advise in the tiny type in your signature. I'll modify it to help you.

Note: If you don't like what others are trying to do, be smart instead of a smart arse and stay out of any and all discussions and threads about S & C fundraising. That about covers it.

And thanks for piling on. Read my previous post and tell me where I'm wrong.

[Yosef10]

He didn't pile on. He simply tried to inform you on topics you seem to not have too much knowledge about. He told you we raised that money to specifically help the football team. Giving to Yosef club does not accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. The $100k in TV revenue I'm sure is earmarked for far more pressing needs throughout the athletic department, not weightlifting equipment for the football team. Moose told you not many G5 programs have this equipment. The fundraising wasn't out of absolute necessity, it was more so a charitable gift from MMB. We didn't "have" to do anything as you said. Keep up.