Recruiting, 2014

[moehler]

we can all agree, recruiting is a nasty business, you are right, for every kid that decomitts from a program, there is a coaching staff that takes away a schlorship that they promised a kid.

[EastHallApp]

Young or not, I WISH folks would learn the definition of:

com·mit·ment noun \kə-ˈmit-mənt\

: a promise to do or give something

: a promise to be loyal to someone or something

: the attitude of someone who works very hard to do or support something

I agree with you.. the problem is it happens all the time when coaches extend an offer then take it back when someone else commits. It has to be a two way street in terms of staying committed.

I don't really think that's comparable in cases where the player has not yet committed. I think it's pretty easy to understand that schools offer several recruits for each open spot, and most are on a first-come, first-served basis.

A better comparison IMO is if a player DOES commit to a school, and then the school later tries to push him out or outright pulls his offer to make room for someone better. Doesn't happen as often, but it does happen, and I would agree that's just as bad as when a player does it (worse, actually).

[App91]

Looking at Twitter, looks like Coach Ledford was stuck on i-285 for 12 hours in traffic. Man that is harsh!

[Goapps15]

Ohio State's offensive coordinator was stuck in the same traffic for 17 hours yesterday. He dropped his rental at the closest Enterprise and walked 4 miles to the airport. Sounds like some horror stories for recruiters Atlanta yesterday.

[Saint3333]

Young or not, I WISH folks would learn the definition of:

com·mit·ment noun \kə-ˈmit-mənt\

: a promise to do or give something

: a promise to be loyal to someone or something

: the attitude of someone who works very hard to do or support something

I agree with you.. the problem is it happens all the time when coaches extend an offer then take it back when someone else commits. It has to be a two way street in terms of staying committed.

I don't really think that's comparable in cases where the player has not yet committed. I think it's pretty easy to understand that schools offer several recruits for each open spot, and most are on a first-come, first-served basis.

A better comparison IMO is if a player DOES commit to a school, and then the school later tries to push him out or outright pulls his offer to make room for someone better. Doesn't happen as often, but it does happen, and I would agree that's just as bad as when a player does it (worse, actually).

By that logic it should be ok for a recruit to commit to a school based upon the current offers they hold at the time of the committment, but if a "better" offer comes later they should not be looked upon negatively if they decommit.

[bcoach]

Young or not, I WISH folks would learn the definition of:

com·mit·ment noun \kə-ˈmit-mənt\

: a promise to do or give something

: a promise to be loyal to someone or something

: the attitude of someone who works very hard to do or support something

I agree with you.. the problem is it happens all the time when coaches extend an offer then take it back when someone else commits. It has to be a two way street in terms of staying committed.

I don't really think that's comparable in cases where the player has not yet committed. I think it's pretty easy to understand that schools offer several recruits for each open spot, and most are on a first-come, first-served basis.

A better comparison IMO is if a player DOES commit to a school, and then the school later tries to push him out or outright pulls his offer to make room for someone better. Doesn't happen as often, but it does happen, and I would agree that's just as bad as when a player does it (worse, actually).

By that logic it should be ok for a recruit to commit to a school based upon the current offers they hold at the time of the committment, but if a "better" offer comes later they should not be looked upon negatively if they decommit.

I think that you should live up to your commitments. My word is my bond. If I say it that's all it takes. I think that is what all recruits should be held to. There is a big BUT though. The folks who should be teaching this to kids don't hold themselves to the same standard. If there is any blame here it is to be placed on the ADs and Coaches who don't live up to their commitments. You know, those guys who leave for another program before their contract is up. They sit in the living room and make all kinds of promises to kids and their parents then next year they get a better deal and leave. They sit down and hire a head coach then leave for a better job as AD at a bigger school. Yes I believe that your word should be your bond but a lot of coaches and ADs don't and that is what the kids see. Maybe they are just tired of " do as I say, not as I do".

[Rekdiver]

You will never understand unless you've been recruited and are in the middle of all the noise that goes with it. I have no problem with anyone decommiting based on a verbal. When you sign the LOI THEN I have a problem. People pull you in 10 different directions and its draining.

[Gonzo]

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From what I've been hearing, these Arkansas State coaches are compete scum bags.

[WVAPPeer]

Guys - the signed Letter of Intent is the commitment - verbals, of course, are really for the sake of the recruiters/coaches to get an idea of where things stand - but as Moose can tell us, verbals mean very little because there is no contract from either side ---

[BeauFoster]

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From what I've been hearing, these Arkansas State coaches are compete scum bags.

I guess those morons haven't yet figured out that Ark State was founded in 1909, while App State was founded 10 years prior. Who's more real now???

[T-Dog]

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Armanti Edwards ‏@ArmantiEdwards
@_mte3 whats up my man. Hear you're thinking about App St. Great place and great fans. Need any advice on this process then just hit me up.

[Rick0714]

Just looking at their commit list, it actually is only showing 5 3* recruits, but several who aren't rated. Don't know if that's an issue with the mobile site not being updated or what. So at the least, it seems like some of those guys got their 3* after committing to GSU.

Also worth noting that of the five who are showing up as 3* by 247, only two get a 3* in the composite ratings. By contrast, five of App's eight 3* are also 3* in the composites, plus Hopkins who is a 2* on 247 but a 3* in the composite.

I never put a TON of faith in the star ratings, but looking through their commitments on 247, most had GaSo as their ONLY offer. The ones that had multiple offers, they were almost always FCS or SunBelt schools. Only the DT, Sapp, had offers from "upper tier(?)" schools (Louisville and Cinnci). They also had 5 Juco players, where we only have 1 and we don't normally delve very deep in those waters. I think the is the main difference is we have had a little more success recruiting against some bigger competition. What does it mean? Not a whole lot, different schemes lead to different recruiting. The big and heavy lineman usually don't fair as well in the spread unless they are really light on their feet, and those guys are usually at BCS schools, but they can play in a TO. Our OL are just as long,just a little more athletic and lighter. As long as we beat them every year, I wouldn't mind seeing our fellow former SoCon'er tearing up the Belt, finishing behind us of course.

[Gonzo]

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Armanti Edwards ‏@ArmantiEdwards
@_mte3 whats up my man. Hear you're thinking about App St. Great place and great fans. Need any advice on this process then just hit me up.

Yeah Kilgore sent a similar tweet. I wouldn't call it a return shot fired. Maybe if our coaches stated tweeting smack talk about Ark St...

[asutrnr81]

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From what I've been hearing, these Arkansas State coaches are compete scum bags.

#therealASU

Oh H*ll no......as Pryor would say....."we will see"....."That" other ASU getting ready to write a check they can't cash!!!!!!!!

Plus they may have a small town named Eaton.....but we got the whole dang Eaton Corporation in North Carolina!

Plus are AE and Kilgore not that same as anyone else contacting any recruit? as per '66's thread on social media and recruiting?

[Gonzo]

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From what I've been hearing, these Arkansas State coaches are compete scum bags.

#therealASU

Oh H*ll no......as Pryor would say....."we will see"....."That" other ASU getting ready to write a check they can't cash!!!!!!!!

Plus they may have a small town named Eaton.....but we got the whole dang Eaton Corporation in North Carolina!

Plus are AE and Kilgore not that same as anyone else contacting any recruit? as per '66's thread on social media and recruiting?

They both merely told him to contact them if he had questions about the school. Their tweets were almost identical, as if they were told exactly what they could say.

[eggers76]

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From what I've been hearing, these Arkansas State coaches are compete scum bags.

I guess those morons haven't yet figured out that Ark State was founded in 1909, while App State was founded 10 years prior. Who's more real now???

Looking over the asu staff, four have ties to the UNC staff of Fedora who is getting a somewhat smarmy reputation already. To top it off, this Heckendorf from Twitter world also was on the WCU staff of Wagner which says enough about him.

I can't wait to play and hopefully whip those guys.

[ASUGoose]

Looks like Tony Washington is also reaching out to Matthew as well. He would have met him for the game he attend on his official visit during our last season. Looks like all of the former App State players are making the effort to offer up any advice he is looking for about the recruiting process during this tough, life changing process. Hopefully that speaks volume to Matthew about the type of program we have in Boone.

[BeauFoster]

Looking over the asu staff, four have ties to the UNC staff of Fedora who is getting a somewhat smarmy reputation already. To top it off, this Heckendorf from Twitter world also was on the WCU staff of Wagner which says enough about him.

I can't wait to play and hopefully whip those guys.

I think I remember that guy. He was crappy even by WCU standards, and that's saying something.

[EastHallApp]

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From what I've been hearing, these Arkansas State coaches are compete scum bags.

Borderline NCAA violation there.

ETA: Looks like the ULM Rivals site noticed the same:

‏@WarhawkReport 4h
@AStateFanRules @CoachHeck_ wow - that runs right up to the line

[EastHallApp]

I don't really think that's comparable in cases where the player has not yet committed. I think it's pretty easy to understand that schools offer several recruits for each open spot, and most are on a first-come, first-served basis.

A better comparison IMO is if a player DOES commit to a school, and then the school later tries to push him out or outright pulls his offer to make room for someone better. Doesn't happen as often, but it does happen, and I would agree that's just as bad as when a player does it (worse, actually).

By that logic it should be ok for a recruit to commit to a school based upon the current offers they hold at the time of the committment, but if a "better" offer comes later they should not be looked upon negatively if they decommit.

I wouldn't say that. I would say that a school isn't "committed" to a recruit until the recruit is committed to them. An offer is just an offer; it's not a commitment either way until it's accepted.