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Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by AppUSMC » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:04 pm

I may have missed another thread, but has anyone noticed the sunbelt has four bowl wins and one loss. South Alabama plays Chair Force on Friday. Not too shabby.

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by App91 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:13 am

Too bad c-usa had such a good bowl season. Who would have thought ODU would be a 10 game winner?

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by CVAPP » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:40 am

App91 wrote:Too bad c-usa had such a good bowl season. Who would have thought ODU would be a 10 game winner?
Not me, but then again Charlotte beat Marshall and So Miss this year. Then So Miss goes on to hand Louisiana and the Sun Belt their only bowl loss so far.

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by hotrod2001 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:51 am

If my math is right, neither the AAC or MAC have won bowl games yet and the MW only two...

Pretty sure you can't make the argument that our conference is the bottom of the FBS at the moment with those stats.

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Unread post by AppinVA » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:01 pm

Tulsa won for the AAC, but that's it, so far.
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Unread post by hotrod2001 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:04 pm

Ah, yeah forgot they weren't in CUSA anymore.

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by NewApp » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:31 pm

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App91 wrote:Too bad c-usa had such a good bowl season. Who would have thought ODU would be a 10 game winner?
Not me, but then again Charlotte beat Marshall and So Miss this year. Then So Miss goes on to hand Louisiana and the Sun Belt their only bowl loss so far.
What year are we scheduled to play UNC-C?
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Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:58 pm

2018 at Charlotte and 2019 in Boone.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sun-bel ... ineers.php
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Unread post by NewApp » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:38 pm

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:2018 at Charlotte and 2019 in Boone.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sun-bel ... ineers.php
I certainly hope Coach Satterfield is still with us in 2018 and 2019.
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Unread post by Gnomeneer » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:26 pm

This bowl season has to move the Sun Belt up a notch or two.

Looking forward to the '17 season at the Rock. Road trip in the making for '17 is UGA and one other game. I do enjoy New England, as far as visiting.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:23 pm

If USA could upset Air Force the SBC could win the Progressive Cup (highest bowl win %). That would be a big step for the conference.

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Unread post by Goapps15 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:19 am

Good point Saint. It would still be a huge step forward to be the top or one of the top G5 conferences in bowl action. The MAC now needs WMU to beat Wisconsin in order to avoid being shut out in bowl season.

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Unread post by Rick83 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:57 am

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:2018 at Charlotte and 2019 in Boone.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/sun-bel ... ineers.php
They have a pretty small stadium in Charlotte so I hope that we pack it with black and gold and make it essentially a 7th home game. Charlotte's actually a shorter drive for me than Boone is. Will need to get tickets as soon as they are available.

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by bcoach » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:39 am

I am not one to start digging out all the stats but there are many on here who are. Here is my question. Is this really a gauge of how the conference stacks up? What were the records of the teams involved? Did we play the best teams in those other conferences? In other words was it a fair comparison? I hope so but I really don't know.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:52 am

bcoach wrote:I am not one to start digging out all the stats but there are many on here who are. Here is my question. Is this really a gauge of how the conference stacks up? What were the records of the teams involved? Did we play the best teams in those other conferences? In other words was it a fair comparison? I hope so but I really don't know.
I do think it is a gauge but it is not a simple "one for one" type thing for the reasons you imply. The SBC beat two of the MAC's top three but didn't play the best (WMU). The Idaho win over Colorado State is a pretty significant win, but the Arkansas State win over UCF is tough to evaluate since UCF was nowhere near the top of the AAC. I was happy to see it but it really shouldn't have been considered surprising. Frankly, I'm just glad Arkansas State decided to show up for an OOC game!

We can only play the games on the schedule and I do think this bowl season represents significant improvement. It has exposed some of the pretense / arrogance of the AAC. Yes, they are still probably the best of the G5 but they aren't as far above the pack as they want to believe. The SBC was given zero respect before the games were played, so the 4 wins we've had help to move the needle upwards for us. Bowl matchups are so screwy these days that attempting to assign a ranking based on bowl wins is not realistic, but they certainly give an indicator.

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Unread post by t4pizza » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:46 pm

While it doesn't really matter much,I do not believe that any Sun Belt team was favored to win their bowl games (We were essentially a pick em, some books had us -1 and some had us +1 but there was no consensus that we were favored). So the fact that we are currently 4-1 says that we are performing better than the folks in the desert thought we would.

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Unread post by bcoach » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:12 pm

Yosef84 wrote:
bcoach wrote:I am not one to start digging out all the stats but there are many on here who are. Here is my question. Is this really a gauge of how the conference stacks up? What were the records of the teams involved? Did we play the best teams in those other conferences? In other words was it a fair comparison? I hope so but I really don't know.
I do think it is a gauge but it is not a simple "one for one" type thing for the reasons you imply. The SBC beat two of the MAC's top three but didn't play the best (WMU). The Idaho win over Colorado State is a pretty significant win, but the Arkansas State win over UCF is tough to evaluate since UCF was nowhere near the top of the AAC. I was happy to see it but it really shouldn't have been considered surprising. Frankly, I'm just glad Arkansas State decided to show up for an OOC game!

We can only play the games on the schedule and I do think this bowl season represents significant improvement. It has exposed some of the pretense / arrogance of the AAC. Yes, they are still probably the best of the G5 but they aren't as far above the pack as they want to believe. The SBC was given zero respect before the games were played, so the 4 wins we've had help to move the needle upwards for us. Bowl matchups are so screwy these days that attempting to assign a ranking based on bowl wins is not realistic, but they certainly give an indicator.
That makes sense.

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Unread post by hotrod2001 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:55 pm

bcoach wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:
bcoach wrote:I am not one to start digging out all the stats but there are many on here who are. Here is my question. Is this really a gauge of how the conference stacks up? What were the records of the teams involved? Did we play the best teams in those other conferences? In other words was it a fair comparison? I hope so but I really don't know.
I do think it is a gauge but it is not a simple "one for one" type thing for the reasons you imply. The SBC beat two of the MAC's top three but didn't play the best (WMU). The Idaho win over Colorado State is a pretty significant win, but the Arkansas State win over UCF is tough to evaluate since UCF was nowhere near the top of the AAC. I was happy to see it but it really shouldn't have been considered surprising. Frankly, I'm just glad Arkansas State decided to show up for an OOC game!

We can only play the games on the schedule and I do think this bowl season represents significant improvement. It has exposed some of the pretense / arrogance of the AAC. Yes, they are still probably the best of the G5 but they aren't as far above the pack as they want to believe. The SBC was given zero respect before the games were played, so the 4 wins we've had help to move the needle upwards for us. Bowl matchups are so screwy these days that attempting to assign a ranking based on bowl wins is not realistic, but they certainly give an indicator.
That makes sense.
I think it matters because a vast majority of people think the Sun Belt is the FBS' doormat and that it's comprised of a bunch of wannabe schools with delusions of grandeur who should be back in the FCS where they belong. Every time one of our teams beats an AAC, MAC, MW or CUSA team, that helps get rid of that stigma and starts to help legitimize our conference as a G5 player. If only we could get the media to cover our games like they do the other four conferences..

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:45 pm

bcoach wrote:I am not one to start digging out all the stats but there are many on here who are. Here is my question. Is this really a gauge of how the conference stacks up? What were the records of the teams involved? Did we play the best teams in those other conferences? In other words was it a fair comparison? I hope so but I really don't know.
Think you are asking the right questions. Winning bowl games is a feather in the league's cap and probably gets disproportionate attention, but realistically it shouldn't outweigh the body of regular season work. Just gives us a nice data point and talking point.

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Re: Sunbelt is 4 and 1

Unread post by App74 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:20 am

Watching the WF game last night and the announcers referenced a chart of conference bowl performance. Their chart had the Sun Belt second behind the ACC. That's good stuff any way you look at it.

BTW, the App-Toledo game was on ESPNU replay Monday, 12-26......additional exposure.

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