NCAA just announced it. Big win for the little guys.

So , this starts this year ?

MDaniels84 wrote:So , this starts this year ?

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footba ... ersigning/

"Decisions are not final until April 26 at the conclusion of the Division I Board of Directors meeting. The Collegiate Commissioners Association, which must approve the changes to the recruiting calendar and early signing period, is expected to rubber stamp it when it meets in June."

Prohibiting two-a-days in pre/season. Interesting

Just so we don't end up with more Graham situations.

Rekdiver wrote:Just so we don't end up with more Graham situations.

Very unlikely. Remember with Graham he signed before he blew up in his Sr season. That's what got the attention of the bigger programs. High School football will be done for the most part, except a couple of all star games, when this signing period will be. All senior's will have completed their regular seasons and all schools will have the tapes by then. Very different situation than basketball.

P5's will still try and poach but as I've told people, when Dec rolls around most of them will still have several targets/committable offers for each position, unlike Jan when those go away and they have to start going after their backups and backups to backups. They will have to decide very early if they are unlikely to get someone they truly want and go after a G5 commit. And the flip side to that is if G5's have a commit that decides to wait until Feb then the school can decide if they want to reopen the search for that spot then. Gives them a month and a half to find someone else instead of two days, like we just saw.

We'll see soon enough how all this is going to play out.

Hopefully this is finalized, if for no other reason so that recruits who really are committed can make it official and they and coaches won't have to waste each other's time for an extra six weeks or so.

TBD how much it limits decommitments, I think. I suspect the guys who would have spent January shopping around will still do so and just not sign early. I guess the benefit there is that at least coaches know where they stand with those guys, but if it's a high-priority recruit (i.e., the type to get attention from bigger schools), I bet the coaches will wait it out with them in most cases anyway.

Pulled the following from chiefsfan over on CSN:

If you are a G5 school, most of these are really bad. Final vote is later this month.

1. Satellite camps are dead. Camps may only be held on your own campus. In addition the time period in which you can hold a camp is limited to a single day in June and a Single day in July.

2. Coaches are now banned from signing more than 25 kids in a recruiting class.

3. Camps must now include educational sessions for athletes covering gambling, drug abuse, agent restrictions, and general eligibility requirements.

4. FBS schools will be permitted to hire a 10th Full time Assistant coach beginning January of 2018.

5. Schools cannot hire people with an existing relationship with a recruited student athlete until 2 years after the player signs. Similar rule in basketball.

6. Schools can no longer hold two practices over the same day. To compensate, Fall Camps will begin a week earlier.

7. Juniors may now take official visits between April and June of their Junior Year only. A camp cannot be used as an official visit.

8. Early signing period is approved for High School Players. It will be in December over the same 3 day Window that Junior College players can sign. If they do not sign within those 3 days, they must wait till February.

#1 and #7 hurt G5 programs, but the rest don't seem too bad, #2 should help as the SEC can't oversign now.

Satellite camps have been dead for months. That's why no one has had any scheduled. They may have added it in the decisions but that one was made a while ago. And yes, the main recruits hurt by this are the ones that would have been, at best, backups for the P5's that drove for this ban, and the G5 and FCS programs who don't have the budgets of the P5's. More travel expenses and used up limited visit days to see recruits we could have worked with at a camp. We can still attend other schools camps but can only watch, no hands on work.

All of our camps were one day camps already except one. And we'll adjust for that one.

If you're a non transitional program signing more than 25 players then you need to look at how you're doing things. 18-23 players is the normal range for classes that are spaced properly, even with attrition. What you will see though is some programs that are bumping the limit will start pushing marginal players off the team to make room And a lot of programs won't take chances on players anymore. Just another way the players are the ones that get hurt.

Juniors taking non camp OV's is just more money out of the limited resources but for most G5's we'll only bring in a couple of far away recruits, more will be the in close guys.

No two-a-days would have stung a bit but with extending camps out then it's a wash. Two-a-days were mostly done to try and get as much out of the limited time as possible. And it should cut down on camp injuries a little.

The satellite camp ban hurts the most. We've picked up some good players in several of our recent classes that otherwise we might not have seen. Just means more eval time and more time spent on the road trying to get first hand info on these players. Just hope we can still find those guys that weren't even on the board at all until after a camp. The rest we were already doing or can adjust to.

Saint3333 wrote:#1 and #7 hurt G5 programs, but the rest don't seem too bad, #2 should help as the SEC can't oversign now.

Yep, might not help all G5s as there are some SBC programs who tend to oversign, but we have tended to leave a couple spots open if anything, and we don't take many academic risks (which is one reason programs oversign - figuring some won't qualify). So that's probably good for us.

The satellite camp ban is BS.

The rule against hiring a recruit's family member is interesting. Probably more relevant in basketball. Guess Cuonzo Martin and Mizzou got in just under the wire on that one.

"The rule against hiring a recruit's family member is interesting. Probably more relevant in basketball. Guess Cuonzo Martin and Mizzou got in just under the wire on that one."

The old Danny Manning strategy ---

WVAPPeer wrote:"The rule against hiring a recruit's family member is interesting. Probably more relevant in basketball. Guess Cuonzo Martin and Mizzou got in just under the wire on that one."

The old Danny Manning strategy ---

I've always been surprised more people don't know about how Manning ended up in Lawrence. Perfect 30 for 30 topic!

Another reason I'm not sure how much this will help G5s (especially us) is uncertainty over coach movement. I haven't seen when in December the signing period will be, but if it's in the first half of the month or so, that's before a lot of coaching vacancies have been filled. Much past that and you're getting into bowl season and then the holiday break.

As much as we ask kids to be loyal and honor commitments, it's only fair to let them wait and see if their future coach will do the same before they lock themselves in somewhere. Of course that could all be solved by putting a clause in the LOIs that gives the recruit an automatic out if the head coach leaves, but that won't happen because it would protect the kids' interest rather than the coaches'.

Ok we eliminate the camps and hold "educational seminars" Film study and position techniques plus coaching clinic for High School coaches. Plus presentation on real education opportunities.

moonshine wrote:Pulled the following from chiefsfan over on CSN:

If you are a G5 school, most of these are really bad. Final vote is later this month.

1. Satellite camps are dead. Camps may only be held on your own campus. In addition the time period in which you can hold a camp is limited to a single day in June and a Single day in July.

2. Coaches are now banned from signing more than 25 kids in a recruiting class.

3. Camps must now include educational sessions for athletes covering gambling, drug abuse, agent restrictions, and general eligibility requirements.

4. FBS schools will be permitted to hire a 10th Full time Assistant coach beginning January of 2018.

5. Schools cannot hire people with an existing relationship with a recruited student athlete until 2 years after the player signs. Similar rule in basketball.

6. Schools can no longer hold two practices over the same day. To compensate, Fall Camps will begin a week earlier.

7. Juniors may now take official visits between April and June of their Junior Year only. A camp cannot be used as an official visit.

8. Early signing period is approved for High School Players. It will be in December over the same 3 day Window that Junior College players can sign. If they do not sign within those 3 days, they must wait till February.

10 assistant coaches are too many.

Interesting read from Bret Strelow on App State's take on the new proposal:

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 01464.html

Thank you Scot Sloan for doing what you do, and representing us so well!

http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArtic ... =204971183