Fehr's disqualification may become an "unwanted gift that keeps on giving." Depending on the way the referee writes up Fehr's flagrant personal foul he may have to sit out the first half of the CCU game next week. It's subject to the referee's interpretation of the rules.

ARTICLE 6. Disqualified players and Coaches


A player disqualified from the game (Rule 2-27-12) must leave the playing enclosure (Rule 2-31-5) under team supervision within a reasonable amount of time after his disqualification. He must remain out of view of the field of play under team supervision for the duration of the game.
A player serving a first-half suspension due to his disqualification in the team’s previous game may participate in pre-game warm-up activities. During the first half he must remain out of view of the field of play under team supervision.

Sucks he got ejected. I did not agree with the commentators who said he led with the crown and hit Werts in the head. You could tell he tried to pull back from "launching" which is where I thought the targeting call was correct based on how the rule is written.

I thought if a player was ejected in the first half, they are eligible to start the next game. Players ejected in the 2nd half must sit the first half of the next game. That seems a bit over the top if he has to sit out another half.

moonshine wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:13 am

Sucks he got ejected. I did not agree with the commentators who said he led with the crown and hit Werts in the head. You could tell he tried to pull back from "launching" which is where I thought the targeting call was correct based on how the rule is written.

I thought if a player was ejected in the first half, they are eligible to start the next game. Players ejected in the 2nd half must sit the first half of the next game. That seems a bit over the top if he has to sit out another half.

That has been my understanding, as well, for football but I couldn't find it in writing anywhere. I could have overlooked it somewhere as my vision has become seriously impaired.

I think that in soccer and in basketball, a DQ comes with a next game suspension.

asu66 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:05 am

Fehr's disqualification may become an "unwanted gift that keeps on giving." Depending on the way the referee writes up Fehr's flagrant personal foul he may have to sit out the first half of the CCU game next week. It's subject to the referee's interpretation of the rules.

Not keen on that crew's analysis of anything. We should expect the worse.

How would any of this be up to the crew? This is the penalty from the NCAA rule book.

PENALTY—[ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball
fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first
down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules.
For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder
of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in the second half:
Disqualification for the remainder of the game and the first
half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second half of
the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility
shall serve the suspension during the postseason or the first
game of the following season. The disqualification must be
reviewed by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5). [S38, S24 and
S47]

All that section cited in the OP says to me is that IF a player is sitting out the first half of a game due to a second-half violation in the previous game, that player can still dress and warm up with the team, but has to remain out of view for the first half, per the rule.

None of that should apply to Fehr.

Yes only that game when in the first half. 2nd half is for the 1st half of the 2nd game.

Still thought it was a bad call.

Text book tackle ... I knew when our qb was clothes lined into the ground ..with a no call !!!and then a subjective borderline call ejects our lb ... we were in trouble!

appchicago wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:14 am

How would any of this be up to the crew? This is the penalty from the NCAA rule book.

PENALTY—[ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball
fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first
down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules.
For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder
of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in the second half:
Disqualification for the remainder of the game and the first
half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second half of
the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility
shall serve the suspension during the postseason or the first
game of the following season. The disqualification must be
reviewed by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5). [S38, S24 and
S47]

All that section cited in the OP says to me is that IF a player is sitting out the first half of a game due to a second-half violation in the previous game, that player can still dress and warm up with the team, but has to remain out of view for the first half, per the rule.

None of that should apply to Fehr.

Yeah, I just missed it for the reason previously stated. Thanx for clearing it up.✔+

Bottom line, terrible call. We didn't play well enough to win but this crew was awful. Hope we never see them again.

I think the play met the technical description of targeting (barely) but not the spirit or intent of the rule. It wasn't a viscous or dangerous hit and the QB wasn't helpless. I appreciate the intent of the targeting rule but it seems like the majority of the calls seem to miss the actual mark.

Yosef84 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:40 pm

I think the play met the technical description of targeting (barely) but not the spirit or intent of the rule. It wasn't a viscous or dangerous hit and the QB wasn't helpless. I appreciate the intent of the targeting rule but it seems like the majority of the calls seem to miss the actual mark.

The commentators said it checked every box under the targeting rule, I disagree. From what I saw, it definitely met the rule with regards to "launching". As soon as I saw them throw the flag, I knew he was ejected. Watching the replay of the tackle, it appeared Jordan realized he was launching and tried to pull back. Agree it was not a malicious hit and just a few year ago would have been seen as a great form tackle. Fehr had Werts dead to rights and really did not need to launch. Once he went out, the LBer's struggled with maintaining their gaps. It looked like the guys were trying to make individual plays instead of keeping their assignment. Gave up way to many chunk plays!

mountaineerman wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:51 am

Text book tackle ... I knew when our qb was clothes lined into the ground ..with a no call !!!and then a subjective borderline call ejects our lb ... we were in trouble!

Not that it matters or will change anything at this point but for what it's worth I work with a associate who is a 25-year SEC, ACC, Sunbelt referee and he acknowledged the crew from last night is likely to be cited for a number of judgment errors.

mfrench wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:56 pm

mountaineerman wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:51 am

Text book tackle ... I knew when our qb was clothes lined into the ground ..with a no call !!!and then a subjective borderline call ejects our lb ... we were in trouble!

Not that it matters or will change anything at this point but for what it's worth I work with a associate who is a 25-year SEC, ACC, Sunbelt referee and he acknowledged the crew from last night is likely to be cited for a number of judgment errors.

Yeah, that crew had a noticeably tough night.

mfrench wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:56 pm

mountaineerman wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:51 am

Text book tackle ... I knew when our qb was clothes lined into the ground ..with a no call !!!and then a subjective borderline call ejects our lb ... we were in trouble!

Not that it matters or will change anything at this point but for what it's worth I work with a associate who is a 25-year SEC, ACC, Sunbelt referee and he acknowledged the crew from last night is likely to be cited for a number of judgment errors.

Cited? They should be banished to Class A JV games. I am ok with the targeting call. I hate the targeting rule but if it makes the game safer in the long run, I am all for it. I don’t know what that backjudge’s idea of a one yard halo is but that was a big miss. And I’m still not sure of the Clifton Duck unsportsmanlike conduct call either. It didn’t look like the contact illicited a fall. I know that I am wearing homer glasses, but it seemed like there was a lot of post play pushing by Ga Southern that should have been called.

Clothes lining isn’t an infraction in the Sun Belt. ZT got it at Arky too without a calll

Clothes lining isn’t an infraction in the Sun Belt. ZT got it at Arky too without a call.

I also have a problem with it regarding triple option quarterbacks. He is essentially their leading rusher, he just gets the snap. Should be treated the same as a running back.

Black Saturday wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:03 pm

Clothes lining isn’t an infraction in the Sun Belt. ZT got it at Arky too without a call.

Pretty sure a blow to the head is though. Which is where he clothes lined him.

Isn't any blow to the head or neck area covered under the targeting rule?

AppSt91 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:57 pm

Isn't any blow to the head or neck area covered under the targeting rule?

Yes, but not in the Sun Belt.