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Good post.Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pmI love Ethan’s articles. But I take exception to the comment about Satt building so much success. Satt took over a winning program. Louisville will see if he is truly an architect. Satt didn’t destroy a good thing, but I’m not ready to give him too much credit for building. Jerry was the architect of sustained winning.
There is a huge difference in the program Satt took over and the one he left. He took an FCS team that was losing in the early rounds and increased the average win total while stepping up in competition. He clearly built a lot of success here.Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pmI love Ethan’s articles. But I take exception to the comment about Satt building so much success. Satt took over a winning program. Louisville will see if he is truly an architect. Satt didn’t destroy a good thing, but I’m not ready to give him too much credit for building. Jerry was the architect of sustained winning.
The infrastructure and fan support was certainly in place for a coach to succeed at Appalachian…But to act like it was Jerry’s work that helped us win the last 5 years is just silly. If we make a New Year’s 6 bowl game five years from now, is that Scott’s work?Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pmI love Ethan’s articles. But I take exception to the comment about Satt building so much success. Satt took over a winning program. Louisville will see if he is truly an architect. Satt didn’t destroy a good thing, but I’m not ready to give him too much credit for building. Jerry was the architect of sustained winning.
An FCS team which won 3 straight I-AA National Championships (that's not losing in the early rounds, is it?) and beat Michigan with 20 something less scholarships. Yes he built a lot of success here at ASU but he likely wouldn't even have been an assistant coach at our alma mater had Jerry Moore not even taken him as a walk on quarterback decades ago. There's plenty of credit it to be passed around for our successes and lots of blame for our few failings. At one time, most of the credit went to Charlie Cobb (at least on our message boards).appvette wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:18 pmThere is a huge difference in the program Satt took over and the one he left. He took an FCS team that was losing in the early rounds and increased the average win total while stepping up in competition. He clearly built a lot of success here.Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pmI love Ethan’s articles. But I take exception to the comment about Satt building so much success. Satt took over a winning program. Louisville will see if he is truly an architect. Satt didn’t destroy a good thing, but I’m not ready to give him too much credit for building. Jerry was the architect of sustained winning.
This! Wake, Tennessee and Penn State should have been Ws. Miami was just better they drummed us ... might have been out coached in that one.
100% agree. We will find out at Louisville. I love Satt personally and believe he is a good coach but folks on here and at the games sometimes credit our alumni a little too much because they played at App. We have had some former players who were not good at their jobs and had some who are great at their jobs. Satt is good but to say he is the architect here is not true. Shocked some already forget what Jerry Moore built. With Moore, Satt would not even have been at App so in grand scheme he was the architect.Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pmI love Ethan’s articles. But I take exception to the comment about Satt building so much success. Satt took over a winning program. Louisville will see if he is truly an architect. Satt didn’t destroy a good thing, but I’m not ready to give him too much credit for building. Jerry was the architect of sustained winning.
Well he certainly didn't lose in early rounds. We didn't have the ability to do that with him.appvette wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:18 pmThere is a huge difference in the program Satt took over and the one he left. He took an FCS team that was losing in the early rounds and increased the average win total while stepping up in competition. He clearly built a lot of success here.Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pmI love Ethan’s articles. But I take exception to the comment about Satt building so much success. Satt took over a winning program. Louisville will see if he is truly an architect. Satt didn’t destroy a good thing, but I’m not ready to give him too much credit for building. Jerry was the architect of sustained winning.
So they transfer and sit out a year or ride it out at a program they committed to in order to win Championships. The insinuation here is that all of App's success is due to Scott Satterfield and not the other way around.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:42 amFor all of the uber-optimists aboard...
Maybe we'd be wise to hire a coach and staff; replace all the recruiting de-commits; try to hold the transfer attrition to a minimum and get through spring practice before we start counting '19 wins. Ya think?
There will be attrition of quality players unless a lot of attention is given to our current under-classmen; and redshirts (like CP for instance) who can transfer and still have four full years of eligibility.
Let's see who the opponent is first. I feel the same way but I want to be a realist. We could seriously go 13-0 for sure. To me our floor is 10-3 prior to a bowl and ceiling is 13-0 prior to a bowl.Rick83 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:23 amI keep seeing postings of predictions we're going 13-0 next year; but we'll have 12 regular season games, the Sun Belt Conference Championship game (again in Boone) and then the bowl game (hopefully NY6!). Being a financial professional I can verify that all of that adds up to 14 games...so we're gonna go 14-0 with 2 P5 wins over both Carolinas and possibly a 3rd P5 win over our bowl opponent. Top 15 ranking?!?
We have a lot of naive fans who believe this. Probably just folks who are under 35 and did not become fans until they came to App. Scott is good and I loved him but he did not do this by himself. He will be the first to tell people that.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:03 pmSo they transfer and sit out a year or ride it out at a program they committed to in order to win Championships. The insinuation here is that all of App's success is due to Scott Satterfield and not the other way around.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:42 amFor all of the uber-optimists aboard...
Maybe we'd be wise to hire a coach and staff; replace all the recruiting de-commits; try to hold the transfer attrition to a minimum and get through spring practice before we start counting '19 wins. Ya think?
There will be attrition of quality players unless a lot of attention is given to our current underclassmen; and redshirts (like CP for instance) who can transfer and still have four full years of eligibility.
You're completely misunderstanding my post. All of this "undefeated '19" spin assumes that the current roster will remain intact (sans graduating seniors) and that we'll haul in all of our targeted recruits. Player/position coach attrition is one of the negative intangibles of head coaching changes. When the chances of the new head coach coming from "outside" are 50/50 or greater, the chances of major attrition go up.ericsaid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:03 pmSo they transfer and sit out a year or ride it out at a program they committed to in order to win Championships. The insinuation here is that all of App's success is due to Scott Satterfield and not the other way around.asu66 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:42 amFor all of the uber-optimists aboard...
Maybe we'd be wise to hire a coach and staff; replace all the recruiting de-commits; try to hold the transfer attrition to a minimum and get through spring practice before we start counting '19 wins. Ya think?
There will be attrition of quality players unless a lot of attention is given to our current under-classmen; and redshirts (like CP for instance) who can transfer and still have four full years of eligibility.
If you get the chance.... Ask him would he rather go to a top notch G5 and play/start 4 years or go to a P5 and get on the field his last 2 years.App90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:42 pmI think that ASU's system was built on the foundation by alot of prior coaches including Jerry Moore, and when it started to decline some what in 2012, 2013, 2014. Satt was able to build it back up with quality coaching hires and great recruiting. But the brand and culture has been in place at ASU for a long time. I just had a kid tell me if he did not get on offer from a P5 hes going to a top notch program like ASU, Boise State, Georgia Southern and so forth. Now I posed this question to this kid who is headed to a P5. Who would he choose Alabama, ND, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, or even Michigan and Miami, or Louisville, this kid said he would consider Louisville if it was the only P5 offer he had. But he still may go to a smaller school. That is telling right now.
That is what Satts up against, maybe he rebuilds UL I hope he does, but there are some things going against him. Its a basketball school, and they have the problem of Petrino still lingering. Either way I wish Satt the best and I hope he succeeds.