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Josh Gattis
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:09 pm
by asu7
https://www.12up.com/posts/6240791-repo ... n-maryland
Am I reading too much into this?
Also football scoop says we could know this weekend that DG is moving fast.
http://footballscoop.com/news/update-ap ... ng-search/
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:37 pm
by appgrad
Interesting. With the number of assistants we are, and may continue to lose… I started to wonder if there might be a darkhorse candidate from outside.
Admittedly not familiar with this guy, but he is a North Carolina native and a Wake Forest alumnus. Only 34 though.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:39 pm
by diehardapp18
Would be an absolute homerun hire. I'm sure he's in for a promotion under Saban with Locksley leaving, and hell Locksley himself is already working to get him to join at Maryland. Can't imagine he'd take this gig when he could be making more money elsewhere.
But since Brown is out the window, this is by far my favorite name I've heard yet. He's learning from the greatest to ever do it, he's from NC (played at Wake), has the makings of a great recruiter, etc. This would be an absolute homerun.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:05 pm
by EastHallApp
Interesting - doesn't sound like it far along, but good find nonetheless. Intriguing candidate - I remember him from Wake but wasn't really familiar with his coaching career.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:34 pm
by Apptrain
MIGHT be lucky enough to keep him 5 years .
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:37 pm
by Boroneer10
Getting someone who has learned directly from freaking Nick Saban would be absolutely incredible. I would hope we would keep Ivey on as DC.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:20 am
by Yosef10
Bring this man to the mountain DG
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:23 am
by EastHallApp
Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:34 pm
MIGHT be lucky enough to keep him 5 years .
True, and that's being optimistic. But we'll have the same issue with almost anyone we hire.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:50 am
by Apptrain
EastHallApp wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:23 am
Apptrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:34 pm
MIGHT be lucky enough to keep him 5 years .
True, and that's being optimistic. But we'll have the same issue with almost anyone we hire.
That’s why if we can find a good candidate in early to mid 50’s by the time they carry on the winning tradition for 5 years they’ll be in mid to late 50’s and not as likely to be plucked by a p5 looking for a young coach to rebuild their program. I think all of us, including Gillin if he is still here, would like to avoid this mess in another 5 years. I’m saying this only if we can find a great coach in that age range. We might have a coach for 10 to 15 years as opposed to 5. Just my preference. Of course, if Satt fails at Louisville that might indicate to other p5 programs that it’s the App program more so than the head coach that accounts for our winning. Not wishing Satt fails, just saying.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:07 am
by Yosef10
Guys, it’s very unlikely another Jerry Moore situation is going to occur here. You’re just going to frustrate yourselves if that’s where your placing the bar. We just had an App State alum stay 6 years. That should open you fellas eyes just a bit. Gonna have to get used to it.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:14 am
by appgrad2010
Tim Horton would stay until retirement, keep many App black and gold faithful who do well at coaching and keep the first class environment that Jerry Moore and Satterfield have. I am telling you not just anyone can come to Boone and be successful, they have to embrace Boone, the culture, the fans, and the community. This has been seen with the failed experiment when McMahon was not hired, instead it was Capel, and hopefully basketball has a successful season this year.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:22 am
by diehardapp18
Potential "loyalty" is the very last factor we should take into consideration with hire. That's how you hire a coach with a mediocre resume that runs the program into the ground. You hire the best candidate you have, regardless of age or ties to the school. Good G5 programs know replacing coaches is just the nature of the beast. There's a problem when you aren't having to replace coaches. That means you're mediocre. When other programs want your coaches? It means you're winning.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:26 am
by asu7
We have to learn how to maintain culture with guys that stay for 5 years. We want to be the best G5 team we have to learn how to remain good during coaching transitions just like UCF. We have to set the bar that whoever we have we still win. We have to make the next man up mentality work for us.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:58 am
by 97APP
diehardapp18 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:39 pm
Would be an absolute homerun hire. I'm sure he's in for a promotion under Saban with Locksley leaving, and hell Locksley himself is already working to get him to join at Maryland. Can't imagine he'd take this gig when he could be making more money elsewhere.
But since Brown is out the window, this is by far my favorite name I've heard yet. He's learning from the greatest to ever do it, he's from NC (played at Wake), has the makings of a great recruiter, etc. This would be an absolute homerun.
I don't know that there is a home run hire in our price range, but he certainly seems to have lot of potential and checks a lot of boxes. If we're stepping outside of our app family/coaching tree (and I'm not advocating that we must stay in the family), I'd be excited about this hire and imagine our players would also.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:08 pm
by dubs21
Gattis was a great player at Wake and was beloved by the fanbase. Fans have wanted to get him back to wake for a while. Don't think Clawson will be bringing any old Grobe guys back due to traitor Tommy Elrod and his WakeyLeaks. This would be a great get for App. But the money Bama has not sure we can compete.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:11 pm
by appgrad
Yosef10 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:07 am
Guys, it’s very unlikely another Jerry Moore situation is going to occur here. You’re just going to frustrate yourselves if that’s where your placing the bar. We just had an App State alum stay 6 years. That should open you fellas eyes just a bit. Gonna have to get used to it.
Can we be honest about Moore? We were pretty good for his first 16 years here - but not great. The fanbase had a lukewarm relationship with him, and hated that he was so loyal to his borderline incompetent OC, Rob Best. We went undefeated in '95, but lost in the QFs, and missed the playoffs 4 of his first 9 years here.
Things went pretty well from 98-02...but we still only made the Semis once, and won 2 outright conference titles, in his first 15 years.
We hit a streak from '05-'09, and Jerry deserves credit for being able to adapt to a hot trend in college offense before others did at our level. Most coaches at that stage in their career wouldn't have had the energy to do that.
That said - even if he had wanted to leave before '07, he wouldn't have had the chance. The Michigan game made him hot for a second, until people realized he was 68.
He lasted so long because he won 8-9 games a year and made the playoffs...and that was good enough for most at the time, particularly our indifferent AD and Chancellor.
If we want a guy like that - we can easily get him...but we have higher expectations now.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:17 pm
by 97APP
dubs21 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:08 pm
... This would be a great get for App. But the money Bama has not sure we can compete.
We'd be silly to get into a bidding war with Alabama as they can easily throw more money at him than we can. However, what they can't offer him is a HC position. If we make a respectable offer he may accept. There's not too many FBS openings that are as ripe for success as ours.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:09 pm
by PJ42
Gattis would be an interesting hire.
Hiring within the family is great but I would love to see DG think outside of the box as well.
Kendal Briles looks to be the next OC at UTenn. Difficult to believe that we could offer him enough money to be HC but would love to see what he could do with this offense next year. No ties to NC and people will hold his Dad's actions against him.... but he could likely take Thomas and this offense to another level.
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:06 pm
by appgrad
I promise you he’s not getting paid very much to be an OC at UConn. They aren’t very good and have tepid fan support.
That said… Wasn’t he fired at FAU earlier this year?
Re: Josh Gattis
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:38 pm
by Apptrain
appgrad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:11 pm
Yosef10 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:07 am
Guys, it’s very unlikely another Jerry Moore situation is going to occur here. You’re just going to frustrate yourselves if that’s where your placing the bar. We just had an App State alum stay 6 years. That should open you fellas eyes just a bit. Gonna have to get used to it.
Can we be honest about Moore? We were pretty good for his first 16 years here - but not great. The fanbase had a lukewarm relationship with him, and hated that he was so loyal to his borderline incompetent OC, Rob Best. We went undefeated in '95, but lost in the QFs, and missed the playoffs 4 of his first 9 years here.
Things went pretty well from 98-02...but we still only made the Semis once, and won 2 outright conference titles, in his first 15 years.
We hit a streak from '05-'09, and Jerry deserves credit for being able to adapt to a hot trend in college offense before others did at our level. Most coaches at that stage in their career wouldn't have had the energy to do that.
That said - even if he had wanted to leave before '07, he wouldn't have had the chance. The Michigan game made him hot for a second, until people realized he was 68.
He lasted so long because he won 8-9 games a year and made the playoffs...and that was good enough for most at the time, particularly our indifferent AD and Chancellor.
If we want a guy like that - we can easily get him...but we have higher expectations now.
I’ll be honest about Coach Moore. He brought us the NC’s in a row and the biggest upset in college football history which forever changed our university for the better, on and off the field. He dedicated himself to this program for 23 years and had a higher winning percentage than Satt. That’s all.