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Pretty sure we can't file suit when we (the Sunbelt Conference and the G5 as a whole) agreed to the terms and conditions in contractual form. Our best bet is to hitch our wagon to the eventual Pac12 gripe that they keep getting left out and that conference champions get in. (Highest rated G5 conference champion of course, not all 5 of is).
Are you familiar with contract law? A contract made with questionably legality could be subject to being null and void. Of course it would take a lawsuit to address the question of the legality of the current system and the contract.APPdiesel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:31 amPretty sure we can't filt suit when we (the Sunbelt Conference and the G5 as a whole) agreed to the terms and conditions in contractual form. Our best bet is to hitch our wagon to the eventual Pac12 gripe that they keep getting left out and that conference champions get in. (Highest rated G5 conference champion of course, not all 5 of is).
The thing that really holds the ultimate goal of four 16 team power conferences from being a reality is geography (as funny as that seems at this point)stafford wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 pmBack in around 1999, I was in a graduate class at UNC Greensboro. Their AD was asked to present as a guest speaker in one of my classes. He began describing the realignment that had not yet occurred. He told us how the bigger conferences would start stealing schools to add and it would become every man (school) for himself. These bigger conferences would be at the top level of college athletics.
He said the remaining schools in D1 would form their own conferences in a second tier. And he said that the schools at the IAA level would essentially become the third tier in DI college athletics. Basically, everything he said happened in almost the exact way that he described starting 10 years later.
How about this.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pmThe thing that really holds the ultimate goal of four 16 team power conferences from being a reality is geography (as funny as that seems at this point)stafford wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 pmBack in around 1999, I was in a graduate class at UNC Greensboro. Their AD was asked to present as a guest speaker in one of my classes. He began describing the realignment that had not yet occurred. He told us how the bigger conferences would start stealing schools to add and it would become every man (school) for himself. These bigger conferences would be at the top level of college athletics.
He said the remaining schools in D1 would form their own conferences in a second tier. And he said that the schools at the IAA level would essentially become the third tier in DI college athletics. Basically, everything he said happened in almost the exact way that he described starting 10 years later.
That's not bad. I mean that. But now you've created academic issues in the Pac 12 and Big 10, and to a lesser degree by adding WVU to the ACC.AppScott89 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:38 pmHow about this.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pmThe thing that really holds the ultimate goal of four 16 team power conferences from being a reality is geography (as funny as that seems at this point)stafford wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 pmBack in around 1999, I was in a graduate class at UNC Greensboro. Their AD was asked to present as a guest speaker in one of my classes. He began describing the realignment that had not yet occurred. He told us how the bigger conferences would start stealing schools to add and it would become every man (school) for himself. These bigger conferences would be at the top level of college athletics.
He said the remaining schools in D1 would form their own conferences in a second tier. And he said that the schools at the IAA level would essentially become the third tier in DI college athletics. Basically, everything he said happened in almost the exact way that he described starting 10 years later.
Add Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State to Big 10 and drop Rutgers. 14+3-1=16
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame to ACC. 14+2=16
Add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech to Pac-12. 12+4=16
Add Texas and Baylor to SEC. 14+2 = 16
There you have 4 - 16 team conferences. Doesn't add to much travel.
Asinine response. Just because you don't like the terms that doesn't make them spurious and it's not like anyone put a gun to our head. We signed it. Unless we have something more to offer the other side has no reason to renegotiate the terms.ericsaid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:49 amAre you familiar with contract law? A contract made with questionably legality could be subject to being null and void. Of course it would take a lawsuit to address the question of the legality of the current system and the contract.APPdiesel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:31 amPretty sure we can't filt suit when we (the Sunbelt Conference and the G5 as a whole) agreed to the terms and conditions in contractual form. Our best bet is to hitch our wagon to the eventual Pac12 gripe that they keep getting left out and that conference champions get in. (Highest rated G5 conference champion of course, not all 5 of is).
I thought about the academics, especially with the Big 10. However, I thought dismembering the Big 12 was the easiest way to get to 4 conferences. Just can't have you cake and eat it to sometimes.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:44 pmThat's not bad. I mean that. But now you've created academic issues in the Pac 12 and Big 10, and to a lesser degree by adding WVU to the ACC.AppScott89 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:38 pmHow about this.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pmThe thing that really holds the ultimate goal of four 16 team power conferences from being a reality is geography (as funny as that seems at this point)stafford wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 pmBack in around 1999, I was in a graduate class at UNC Greensboro. Their AD was asked to present as a guest speaker in one of my classes. He began describing the realignment that had not yet occurred. He told us how the bigger conferences would start stealing schools to add and it would become every man (school) for himself. These bigger conferences would be at the top level of college athletics.
He said the remaining schools in D1 would form their own conferences in a second tier. And he said that the schools at the IAA level would essentially become the third tier in DI college athletics. Basically, everything he said happened in almost the exact way that he described starting 10 years later.
Add Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State to Big 10 and drop Rutgers. 14+3-1=16
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame to ACC. 14+2=16
Add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech to Pac-12. 12+4=16
Add Texas and Baylor to SEC. 14+2 = 16
There you have 4 - 16 team conferences. Doesn't add to much travel.
Let's be honest, from a football perspective, the ACC is weak. Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Va Tech are all they really have to offer. I mean, Wake, BC, Syracuse, Duke... The ACC is very luck to have had Clemson's run.AppScott89 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:50 pmI thought about the academics, especially with the Big 10. However, I thought dismembering the Big 12 was the easiest way to get to 4 conferences. Just can't have you cake and eat it to sometimes.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:44 pmThat's not bad. I mean that. But now you've created academic issues in the Pac 12 and Big 10, and to a lesser degree by adding WVU to the ACC.AppScott89 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:38 pmHow about this.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pmThe thing that really holds the ultimate goal of four 16 team power conferences from being a reality is geography (as funny as that seems at this point)stafford wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 pmBack in around 1999, I was in a graduate class at UNC Greensboro. Their AD was asked to present as a guest speaker in one of my classes. He began describing the realignment that had not yet occurred. He told us how the bigger conferences would start stealing schools to add and it would become every man (school) for himself. These bigger conferences would be at the top level of college athletics.
He said the remaining schools in D1 would form their own conferences in a second tier. And he said that the schools at the IAA level would essentially become the third tier in DI college athletics. Basically, everything he said happened in almost the exact way that he described starting 10 years later.
Add Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State to Big 10 and drop Rutgers. 14+3-1=16
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame to ACC. 14+2=16
Add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech to Pac-12. 12+4=16
Add Texas and Baylor to SEC. 14+2 = 16
There you have 4 - 16 team conferences. Doesn't add to much travel.
Where do UNC NCState and UVa fit? Wake played an important role in the conference this year, they likely knocked State out of a NY6 bowl,.Wake has won an ACC title since UNC and State. Wake just beat SEC Texas A&M in Charlotte last year. And to think APP was a blocked kick from whipping Wake. Tisk...Tiskappgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:42 pmLet's be honest, from a football perspective, the ACC is weak. Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Va Tech are all they really have to offer. I mean, Wake, BC, Syracuse, Duke... The ACC is very luck to have had Clemson's run.AppScott89 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:50 pmI thought about the academics, especially with the Big 10. However, I thought dismembering the Big 12 was the easiest way to get to 4 conferences. Just can't have you cake and eat it to sometimes.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:44 pmThat's not bad. I mean that. But now you've created academic issues in the Pac 12 and Big 10, and to a lesser degree by adding WVU to the ACC.AppScott89 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:38 pmHow about this.appgrad95&97 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pm
The thing that really holds the ultimate goal of four 16 team power conferences from being a reality is geography (as funny as that seems at this point)
Add Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State to Big 10 and drop Rutgers. 14+3-1=16
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame to ACC. 14+2=16
Add Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech to Pac-12. 12+4=16
Add Texas and Baylor to SEC. 14+2 = 16
There you have 4 - 16 team conferences. Doesn't add to much travel.
