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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by General Moore » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:10 pm

bigdaddyg wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:45 am
I’m amazed that any team with 4 losses would be considered a top 25. Regardless of the final rankings this App team is among the top 25 in the country.
Agree! Everyone is trying to be mister humble in here it seems. We are as good as any team outside of the top ten and we would give ALL of the top ten a run for their money on any given Saturday.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by Stonewall » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:14 pm

The “ Mini Dump”. Anyway I’m happy where we’ve landed,not content,but pretty happy. Next year we can break through and set a new standard.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by MAD Doctor » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:21 pm

Yosefus wrote:
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Not knocking Bum. Loved the energy around the Oilers at the time and Earl Cambell just a pinch between the cheek and gum commercial.
He just never delivered on the kicking the door in. Kind of shows how hard it is to do. He was a great coach and personality of that time.
He was for sure. Unfortunately for him, the “door”was actually a Steel Curtain.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by Yosefus » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:01 pm

2 more bowls and a championship left on this entire season of FBS. Can't wait until next season.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by appfan1991 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:36 pm

No way that Washington can be ranked #9 - no pass game - they're terrible!



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:40 pm

bigdaddyg wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:45 am
I’m amazed that any team with 4 losses would be considered a top 25. Regardless of the final rankings this App team is among the top 25 in the country.
4 losses in the SEC is equal to 1 loss in the SBC. Just how it is. I have no doubt that we could play Kentucky and Miss State close but I don't think we would beat them and I actually do think we would lose to Utah State and Fresno State. I do think Cincinnati will be ranked but I don't think they should be. After UCF I don't think the AAC has a top 30 team this year.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:08 pm

General Moore wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:10 pm
bigdaddyg wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:45 am
I’m amazed that any team with 4 losses would be considered a top 25. Regardless of the final rankings this App team is among the top 25 in the country.
Agree! Everyone is trying to be mister humble in here it seems. We are as good as any team outside of the top ten and we would give ALL of the top ten a run for their money on any given Saturday.
Let's not get cocky. We are good but the difference in us and the top 10-15 teams is when Zac Thomas goes down we lose by 25 to a SBC team or if we lost 3 starters on front 7 we would be thin but these teams all have a 4 star or 5 star behind the guy who is starting. We don't quite have that depth yet. Could we compete with teams in the 15-25 range? Sure. We could probably beat a couple of them but we would not be close with Clemson or Ohio State. Penn State lost to a Kentucky team that is about 15-20 range today and we lost to Penn State. I know we could have won but we did not. This year we are a 22-30 type team. 22 on a great day and 30-35 on a bad day. Next year we should most definitely be a top 20 team all day every day though.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 pm

Here are the full results of the Coaches rankings (UGA vs Texas still in progress). I used the Coaches since we were higher by 1 spot than in AP.

Rank School Record Result
1 Alabama (14-0) 45-34 win over Oklahoma
2 Clemson (14-0) 30-3 win over Notre Dame
3 Notre Dame (12-1) 30-3 loss to Clemson
4 Oklahoma (12-2) 45-34 loss to Alabama
5 Ohio State (13-1) 28-23 win over Washington
6 Georgia (11-2)
7 UCF (12-1) 40-32 loss to LSU
8 Michigan (10-3) 41-15 loss to Florida
9 Washington (10-4) 28-22 loss to Ohio St
10 Florida (10-3) 41-15 win over Michigan
11 LSU (10-3) 40-32 win over LSU
12 Penn State (9-4) 27-24 loss to Kentucky
13 Washington State (11-2) 28-26 win over Iowa St
14 Texas (9-4)
15 Kentucky (10-3) 27-24 win over Penn St
16 West Virginia (8-4) 34-18 loss to Syracuse
17 Syracuse (10-3) 34-18 win over West Virginia
18 Mississippi State (8-5) 27-22 loss to Iowa
19 Utah (9-5) 31-20 loss to NW
20 Texas A&M (9-4) 52-13 win over NC State
21 Fresno State (12-2) 31-20 win over Arizona St
22 Northwestern (9-5) 31-20 win over Utah
23 Utah State (11-2) 52-13 win over UNT
24 Boise State (10-3) Game cancelled
25 Army (11-2) 70-14 win over Houston
26 Iowa State (8-5) 28-26 loss to Wash St
27 NC State (9-4) 52-13 loss to Tex A&M
28 Cincinnati (11-2) 35-31 win over VT
29 Missouri (8-5) 38-33 loss to Okl St
30 App State (11-2) 45-13 win over MTSU
31 Iowa (9-4) 27-22 win over Miss St
32 Stanford (9-4) 14-13 win over Pitt
33 Oregon (9-4) 7-6 win over Mich St
34 UAB (11-3) 37-13 win over NIU
35 Buffalo (10-4) 42-32 loss to Troy
36 Georgia Southern (10-3) 23-21 win over EMU


Here is my guess at how the top 35 could look. What do you guys think?

1. Alabama 14-0
2. Clemson 14-0
3. Georgia 12-2
4. Ohio State 13-1
5. Oklahoma 12-2
6. Notre Dame 12-1
7. Florida 10-3
8. LSU 10-3
9. UCF 12-1
10. Washington 10-4
11. Washington State 11-2
12. Michigan 10-3
13. Kentucky 10-3
14. Syracuse 10-3
15. Texas A&M 9-4
16. Penn State 9-4
17. Texas 9-4
18. Fresno State 12-2
19. Northwestern 9-5
20. Utah State 11-2
21. Army 11-2
22. West Virginia 8-4
23. Iowa 9-4
24. Mississippi State 8-5
25. Boise State 10-3
26. Cincinnati 11-2
27. Utah 9-5
28. App State 11-2
29. Iowa State 8-5
30. Stanford 9-4
31. Oregon 9-4
32. UAB 11-3
33. Virginia 8-5
34. Oklahoma State 7-6
35. Georgia Southern 10-3



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:33 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 pm
Here are the full results of the Coaches rankings (UGA vs Texas still in progress). I used the Coaches since we were higher by 1 spot than in AP.

Rank School Record Result
1 Alabama (14-0) 45-34 win over Oklahoma
2 Clemson (14-0) 30-3 win over Notre Dame
3 Notre Dame (12-1) 30-3 loss to Clemson
4 Oklahoma (12-2) 45-34 loss to Alabama
5 Ohio State (13-1) 28-23 win over Washington
6 Georgia (11-2)
7 UCF (12-1) 40-32 loss to LSU
8 Michigan (10-3) 41-15 loss to Florida
9 Washington (10-4) 28-22 loss to Ohio St
10 Florida (10-3) 41-15 win over Michigan
11 LSU (10-3) 40-32 win over LSU
12 Penn State (9-4) 27-24 loss to Kentucky
13 Washington State (11-2) 28-26 win over Iowa St
14 Texas (9-4)
15 Kentucky (10-3) 27-24 win over Penn St
16 West Virginia (8-4) 34-18 loss to Syracuse
17 Syracuse (10-3) 34-18 win over West Virginia
18 Mississippi State (8-5) 27-22 loss to Iowa
19 Utah (9-5) 31-20 loss to NW
20 Texas A&M (9-4) 52-13 win over NC State
21 Fresno State (12-2) 31-20 win over Arizona St
22 Northwestern (9-5) 31-20 win over Utah
23 Utah State (11-2) 52-13 win over UNT
24 Boise State (10-3) Game cancelled
25 Army (11-2) 70-14 win over Houston
26 Iowa State (8-5) 28-26 loss to Wash St
27 NC State (9-4) 52-13 loss to Tex A&M
28 Cincinnati (11-2) 35-31 win over VT
29 Missouri (8-5) 38-33 loss to Okl St
30 App State (11-2) 45-13 win over MTSU
31 Iowa (9-4) 27-22 win over Miss St
32 Stanford (9-4) 14-13 win over Pitt
33 Oregon (9-4) 7-6 win over Mich St
34 UAB (11-3) 37-13 win over NIU
35 Buffalo (10-4) 42-32 loss to Troy
36 Georgia Southern (10-3) 23-21 win over EMU


Here is my guess at how the top 35 could look. What do you guys think?

1. Alabama 14-0
2. Clemson 14-0
3. Georgia 12-2
4. Ohio State 13-1
5. Oklahoma 12-2
6. Notre Dame 12-1
7. Florida 10-3
8. LSU 10-3
9. UCF 12-1
10. Washington 10-4
11. Washington State 11-2
12. Michigan 10-3
13. Kentucky 10-3
14. Syracuse 10-3
15. Texas A&M 9-4
16. Penn State 9-4
17. Texas 9-4
18. Fresno State 12-2
19. Northwestern 9-5
20. Utah State 11-2
21. Army 11-2
22. West Virginia 8-4
23. Iowa 9-4
24. Mississippi State 8-5
25. Boise State 10-3
26. Cincinnati 11-2
27. Utah 9-5
28. App State 11-2
29. Iowa State 8-5
30. Stanford 9-4
31. Oregon 9-4
32. UAB 11-3
33. Virginia 8-5
34. Oklahoma State 7-6
35. Georgia Southern 10-3
Before seeing this, was thinking we’d be 27 or 28, so looks good to me.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by EastHallApp » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:06 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:42 pm
bigdaddyg wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:45 am
I’m amazed that any team with 4 losses would be considered a top 25. Regardless of the final rankings this App team is among the top 25 in the country.
It would be pretty hard to assemble any kind of credible top 25 without any four-loss teams. Hard to argue that there are 25 teams better than Texas A&M, for example. But there are some I wouldn’t mind a shot at.
Just to revisit this, and maybe the comment wasn't meant to apply after all the bowl games, but only 22 teams finished the season with three or fewer losses.

FWIW, we're one of 12 with two or fewer losses. (And likely the only one who'll finish the season unranked.)



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by EastHallApp » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:08 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:08 pm
General Moore wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:10 pm
bigdaddyg wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:45 am
I’m amazed that any team with 4 losses would be considered a top 25. Regardless of the final rankings this App team is among the top 25 in the country.
Agree! Everyone is trying to be mister humble in here it seems. We are as good as any team outside of the top ten and we would give ALL of the top ten a run for their money on any given Saturday.
Let's not get cocky. We are good but the difference in us and the top 10-15 teams is when Zac Thomas goes down we lose by 25 to a SBC team or if we lost 3 starters on front 7 we would be thin but these teams all have a 4 star or 5 star behind the guy who is starting. We don't quite have that depth yet. Could we compete with teams in the 15-25 range? Sure. We could probably beat a couple of them but we would not be close with Clemson or Ohio State. Penn State lost to a Kentucky team that is about 15-20 range today and we lost to Penn State. I know we could have won but we did not. This year we are a 22-30 type team. 22 on a great day and 30-35 on a bad day. Next year we should most definitely be a top 20 team all day every day though.
This is pretty spot on IMO.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by WASU 93 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:11 pm

NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:33 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 pm
Here are the full results of the Coaches rankings (UGA vs Texas still in progress). I used the Coaches since we were higher by 1 spot than in AP.

Rank School Record Result
1 Alabama (14-0) 45-34 win over Oklahoma
2 Clemson (14-0) 30-3 win over Notre Dame
3 Notre Dame (12-1) 30-3 loss to Clemson
4 Oklahoma (12-2) 45-34 loss to Alabama
5 Ohio State (13-1) 28-23 win over Washington
6 Georgia (11-2)
7 UCF (12-1) 40-32 loss to LSU
8 Michigan (10-3) 41-15 loss to Florida
9 Washington (10-4) 28-22 loss to Ohio St
10 Florida (10-3) 41-15 win over Michigan
11 LSU (10-3) 40-32 win over LSU
12 Penn State (9-4) 27-24 loss to Kentucky
13 Washington State (11-2) 28-26 win over Iowa St
14 Texas (9-4)
15 Kentucky (10-3) 27-24 win over Penn St
16 West Virginia (8-4) 34-18 loss to Syracuse
17 Syracuse (10-3) 34-18 win over West Virginia
18 Mississippi State (8-5) 27-22 loss to Iowa
19 Utah (9-5) 31-20 loss to NW
20 Texas A&M (9-4) 52-13 win over NC State
21 Fresno State (12-2) 31-20 win over Arizona St
22 Northwestern (9-5) 31-20 win over Utah
23 Utah State (11-2) 52-13 win over UNT
24 Boise State (10-3) Game cancelled
25 Army (11-2) 70-14 win over Houston
26 Iowa State (8-5) 28-26 loss to Wash St
27 NC State (9-4) 52-13 loss to Tex A&M
28 Cincinnati (11-2) 35-31 win over VT
29 Missouri (8-5) 38-33 loss to Okl St
30 App State (11-2) 45-13 win over MTSU
31 Iowa (9-4) 27-22 win over Miss St
32 Stanford (9-4) 14-13 win over Pitt
33 Oregon (9-4) 7-6 win over Mich St
34 UAB (11-3) 37-13 win over NIU
35 Buffalo (10-4) 42-32 loss to Troy
36 Georgia Southern (10-3) 23-21 win over EMU


Here is my guess at how the top 35 could look. What do you guys think?

1. Alabama 14-0
2. Clemson 14-0
3. Georgia 12-2
4. Ohio State 13-1
5. Oklahoma 12-2
6. Notre Dame 12-1
7. Florida 10-3
8. LSU 10-3
9. UCF 12-1
10. Washington 10-4
11. Washington State 11-2
12. Michigan 10-3
13. Kentucky 10-3
14. Syracuse 10-3
15. Texas A&M 9-4
16. Penn State 9-4
17. Texas 9-4
18. Fresno State 12-2
19. Northwestern 9-5
20. Utah State 11-2
21. Army 11-2
22. West Virginia 8-4
23. Iowa 9-4
24. Mississippi State 8-5
25. Boise State 10-3
26. Cincinnati 11-2
27. Utah 9-5
28. App State 11-2
29. Iowa State 8-5
30. Stanford 9-4
31. Oregon 9-4
32. UAB 11-3
33. Virginia 8-5
34. Oklahoma State 7-6
35. Georgia Southern 10-3
Before seeing this, was thinking we’d be 27 or 28, so looks good to me.
and in theory, our losses were to #16 and #35. 11 wins and no bad losses. We just don't have that signature win.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by EastHallApp » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:12 pm

WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:11 pm
NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:33 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 pm
Here are the full results of the Coaches rankings (UGA vs Texas still in progress). I used the Coaches since we were higher by 1 spot than in AP.

Rank School Record Result
1 Alabama (14-0) 45-34 win over Oklahoma
2 Clemson (14-0) 30-3 win over Notre Dame
3 Notre Dame (12-1) 30-3 loss to Clemson
4 Oklahoma (12-2) 45-34 loss to Alabama
5 Ohio State (13-1) 28-23 win over Washington
6 Georgia (11-2)
7 UCF (12-1) 40-32 loss to LSU
8 Michigan (10-3) 41-15 loss to Florida
9 Washington (10-4) 28-22 loss to Ohio St
10 Florida (10-3) 41-15 win over Michigan
11 LSU (10-3) 40-32 win over LSU
12 Penn State (9-4) 27-24 loss to Kentucky
13 Washington State (11-2) 28-26 win over Iowa St
14 Texas (9-4)
15 Kentucky (10-3) 27-24 win over Penn St
16 West Virginia (8-4) 34-18 loss to Syracuse
17 Syracuse (10-3) 34-18 win over West Virginia
18 Mississippi State (8-5) 27-22 loss to Iowa
19 Utah (9-5) 31-20 loss to NW
20 Texas A&M (9-4) 52-13 win over NC State
21 Fresno State (12-2) 31-20 win over Arizona St
22 Northwestern (9-5) 31-20 win over Utah
23 Utah State (11-2) 52-13 win over UNT
24 Boise State (10-3) Game cancelled
25 Army (11-2) 70-14 win over Houston
26 Iowa State (8-5) 28-26 loss to Wash St
27 NC State (9-4) 52-13 loss to Tex A&M
28 Cincinnati (11-2) 35-31 win over VT
29 Missouri (8-5) 38-33 loss to Okl St
30 App State (11-2) 45-13 win over MTSU
31 Iowa (9-4) 27-22 win over Miss St
32 Stanford (9-4) 14-13 win over Pitt
33 Oregon (9-4) 7-6 win over Mich St
34 UAB (11-3) 37-13 win over NIU
35 Buffalo (10-4) 42-32 loss to Troy
36 Georgia Southern (10-3) 23-21 win over EMU


Here is my guess at how the top 35 could look. What do you guys think?

1. Alabama 14-0
2. Clemson 14-0
3. Georgia 12-2
4. Ohio State 13-1
5. Oklahoma 12-2
6. Notre Dame 12-1
7. Florida 10-3
8. LSU 10-3
9. UCF 12-1
10. Washington 10-4
11. Washington State 11-2
12. Michigan 10-3
13. Kentucky 10-3
14. Syracuse 10-3
15. Texas A&M 9-4
16. Penn State 9-4
17. Texas 9-4
18. Fresno State 12-2
19. Northwestern 9-5
20. Utah State 11-2
21. Army 11-2
22. West Virginia 8-4
23. Iowa 9-4
24. Mississippi State 8-5
25. Boise State 10-3
26. Cincinnati 11-2
27. Utah 9-5
28. App State 11-2
29. Iowa State 8-5
30. Stanford 9-4
31. Oregon 9-4
32. UAB 11-3
33. Virginia 8-5
34. Oklahoma State 7-6
35. Georgia Southern 10-3
Before seeing this, was thinking we’d be 27 or 28, so looks good to me.
and in theory, our losses were to #16 and #35. 11 wins and no bad losses. We just don't have that signature win.
True, although I think Troy would have to be ahead of GS.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by dstreet01 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:52 am

I'll only comment on the AP poll since it is the only one that matters.

4 of the teams ranked 18-25 in the last poll lost their bowl games to unranked teams, and of those 4 unranked winners, only 1 received votes in the last poll (Iowa with 4).

4 of the five unranked teams who received more votes than us in the last poll won their bowl games....one, Stanford, barely beat Pittsburgh...a 7-7 team who got no votes in the final poll. Another, NC State, got blown out by the number 21 team.

I see us at 26, with an outside chance at 25, in the final AP poll.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:10 am

The entire ranking system is mostly stupid. Outside of the cut and dried top 4 or so it becomes speculative at best. The comment that 4 SEC losses is better than one SB loss is debatable. I am not delusional as a fan and don’t remotely believe we would stand a chance with Alabama-Clemson or even a few of the top dogs. Why is that always the measuring stick? In my mind we are AMONG the best 25 teams, this season, in college football. Who really knows who the number 21 team is?? My eye test says among the best 25. I’m good with that.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by Rick83 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:19 am

It's not just winning or losing games that matter. I recall one of the AP voters that voted us in the Top 25 said he did so because we were winning big over who we were playing, coupled with the close loss at Penn St.
The AP votes are subjective and I'd love to think that consideration would be given to our team for that domination of senior-laden MTSU even with our top 3 coaches leaving two weeks prior to the game. I realize that I'm the resident optimist on this board but, I agree, we're going to be right at 25, if not at #25.
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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:26 am

Rick83 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:19 am
It's not just winning or losing games that matter. I recall one of the AP voters that voted us in the Top 25 said he did so because we were winning big over who we were playing, coupled with the close loss at Penn St.
The AP votes are subjective and I'd love to think that consideration would be given to our team for that domination of senior-laden MTSU even with our top 3 coaches leaving two weeks prior to the game. I realize that I'm the resident optimist on this board but, I agree, we're going to be right at 25, in not at 25.
Totally agree. For me personally if we are considered by many to be one of the best 30 teams in the country that is what, top 25% percentile? There are 129 current FBS teams and one transitioniional so even if we are voted #30 that means we are better than 100 others at our level. My lord that’s awesome. I often think what it must be like to be an alum or fan of a team who is traditionally horrible. Can’t imagine.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by wncapp78 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:27 am

“I often think what it must be like to be an alum or fan of a team who is traditionally horrible. Can’t imagine”.

See Men’s basketball thread.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:22 am

wncapp78 wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:27 am
“I often think what it must be like to be an alum or fan of a team who is traditionally horrible. Can’t imagine”.

See Men’s basketball thread.
Ouch but true. I think that the main reason why we are all sad the day after the inevitable bowl win is that, for the most part, truly competitive App State sports end and don’t resume until the following September. No offense to track.



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Re: Top 25 ranking?

Unread post by Stonewall » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:28 am

I’m holding out hope for baseball,at least in a year or two.



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