Pro Day 3/28

[AppStFan1]

check out Aaron Donald's size

I did some digging and found Aaron Donald’s combine results.

Here are his numbers vs Stout. It is clear that Donald is the better athlete but Stout is a poor man’s Donald. Someone will sign him as a DT or 3-4 DE.

Donald: HT: 6’0 ¾: WT: 285: 10: 1.63; 40: 4.69; VJ: 32; BJ: 9’8; SS: 4.39; Reps: 35
Stout: HT: 6’0 3/8; WT: 292; 10: 1.75; 40: 5.06; VJ: 32; BJ: 9’2; SS: 4.51; Reps: 28

Donald is much faster off the ball, quicker, and a lot stronger too.

[appstatealum]

I agree with above. His best chances are as an outside LB or DE in 3-4. It's unfair to compare him to Donald, Donald is a generational guy.

[AppSt94]

The term 'generations player' is overused almost as much as GOAT.

[WVAPPeer]

I agree with above. His best chances are as an outside LB or DE in 3-4. It's unfair to compare him to Donald, Donald is a generational guy.

My comment about Aaron Donald was only related to this one statement -

"He seems way too small to be a DL, "

[AppStFan1]

I agree with above. His best chances are as an outside LB or DE in 3-4. It's unfair to compare him to Donald, Donald is a generational guy.

My comment about Aaron Donald was only related to this one statement -

"He seems way too small to be a DL, "

The comment probably should have read that he isn't quite the freak athlete to play DT at his size maybe. If Stout had been 6'3 290 coming out of high school we never would have gotten him. Being about 5'11 250 or 260 is the only reason he was ever at App. Glad we got him. Stout was a very good player. Hopefully this signing out of TN and Earle along with Scott give us a group that can fill the gap he leaves.

[AppStFan1]

Got a couple more tidbits from our pro day from a resource that could be found publicly but it is so good I don't like to give it away. Here are the full pro day results on a few guys.

Austin Exford- Ran 4.48 average 40 at 6'0, 206 pounds. He had a 36 1/2 VJ, 10'5 broad jump, 4.28 shuttle, and 6.90 3-cone. Did 26 lifts.

Tae Hayes- 5'9, 188 with a 4.56 average 40. He had a 1.57 10, 35 VJ, 10'1 broad jump, 4.19 shuttle, 6.90 3-cone, and 17 lifts.

Clifton Duck- He really destroyed his shot at getting drafted being so small with his 40. 5'9 1/4, 180 with a 4.67 average 40. He had a 33 1/2 VJ, 9'9 broad jump, 4.40 shuttle, 7.16 3-cone, and did 16 lifts.

Anthony Flory was 5'11 1/2, 232 pounds and ran around a 5.00 with a 30 VJ, 9'4 broad jump, 19 lifts, and a 4.48 shuttle.

Dominique Heath ran 4.70 while McMurry ran a 5.34 average 40 at 5'11 1/4, 238 pounds.

Jalin Moore results- 5'10, 207 with a 33 VJ, 9'6 broad jump, 4.39 shuttle.

[PhillyApp]

Got a couple more tidbits from our pro day from a resource that could be found publicly but it is so good I don't like to give it away. Here are the full pro day results on a few guys.

Austin Exford- Ran 4.48 average 40 at 6'0, 206 pounds. He had a 36 1/2 VJ, 10'5 broad jump, 4.28 shuttle, and 6.90 3-cone. Did 26 lifts.

Tae Hayes- 5'9, 188 with a 4.56 average 40. He had a 1.57 10, 35 VJ, 10'1 broad jump, 4.19 shuttle, 6.90 3-cone, and 17 lifts.

Clifton Duck- He really destroyed his shot at getting drafted being so small with his 40. 5'9 1/4, 180 with a 4.67 average 40. He had a 33 1/2 VJ, 9'9 broad jump, 4.40 shuttle, 7.16 3-cone, and did 16 lifts.

Anthony Flory was 5'11 1/2, 232 pounds and ran around a 5.00 with a 30 VJ, 9'4 broad jump, 19 lifts, and a 4.48 shuttle.

Dominique Heath ran 4.70 while McMurry ran a 5.34 average 40 at 5'11 1/4, 238 pounds.

Jalin Moore results- 5'10, 207 with a 33 VJ, 9'6 broad jump, 4.39 shuttle.

I apologize if it’s already been addressed, but is there anyway Duck can reconsider and return? Seems to me that both he and App State could use another year together. Just not sure of the legality of it.

[Rekdiver]

Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.

[Rick83]

Got a couple more tidbits from our pro day from a resource that could be found publicly but it is so good I don't like to give it away. Here are the full pro day results on a few guys.

Austin Exford- Ran 4.48 average 40 at 6'0, 206 pounds. He had a 36 1/2 VJ, 10'5 broad jump, 4.28 shuttle, and 6.90 3-cone. Did 26 lifts.

Tae Hayes- 5'9, 188 with a 4.56 average 40. He had a 1.57 10, 35 VJ, 10'1 broad jump, 4.19 shuttle, 6.90 3-cone, and 17 lifts.

Clifton Duck- He really destroyed his shot at getting drafted being so small with his 40. 5'9 1/4, 180 with a 4.67 average 40. He had a 33 1/2 VJ, 9'9 broad jump, 4.40 shuttle, 7.16 3-cone, and did 16 lifts.

Anthony Flory was 5'11 1/2, 232 pounds and ran around a 5.00 with a 30 VJ, 9'4 broad jump, 19 lifts, and a 4.48 shuttle.

Dominique Heath ran 4.70 while McMurry ran a 5.34 average 40 at 5'11 1/4, 238 pounds.

Jalin Moore results- 5'10, 207 with a 33 VJ, 9'6 broad jump, 4.39 shuttle.

I apologize if it’s already been addressed, but is there anyway Duck can reconsider and return? Seems to me that both he and App State could use another year together. Just not sure of the legality of it.

I don't believe so, once you sign with an agent you're done...no turning back.

[appstatealum]

Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.

Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.

[Rick83]

If Duck doesn't make it on an NFL roster, would he have a shot in Canada? It'd be interesting to see him cover AE. Duck vs GOAT.

[ericsaid]

I would think the cone drill would be tougher on his injury.

That's what I was thinking. I'm sure there's a reason, but it escapes me. I wish him the best in the draft / signing process though. I'm sure he's getting plenty of advise. Maybe he was told his 40 time wasn't in question (total guess).

Theres an article from the Charlotte observer where Jalin said the reason he didn't run the 40 was that he didn't have time to train specifically for that event.

I have a feeling with the more analytics based approach that we see is going to put less and less emphasis on how fast a straight line 40 yard dash is. Hopefully this doesn't affect his draft position.

More from Apps hometown paper, please!

It's probably just because he didn't have time to train for it. His straight line game speed is on tape, his other drills are not. If he didn't have time to rep the 40 several hundred times in the months since the season ended, he could end up not getting a good jump or having correct form and finishing with a 4.7 rather than a 4.4 which would obviously hurt. If you can't run a 4.4 for sure, you don't run at all if you're in his position.

[biggie]

I apologize if it’s already been addressed, but is there anyway Duck can reconsider and return? Seems to me that both he and App State could use another year together. Just not sure of the legality of it.

I don't believe so, once you sign with an agent you're done...no turning back.

Not even that. In football you are done if you declare. Basketball you can return by a certain date if you don’t sign an agent

[AppStFan1]

Got a couple more tidbits from our pro day from a resource that could be found publicly but it is so good I don't like to give it away. Here are the full pro day results on a few guys.

Austin Exford- Ran 4.48 average 40 at 6'0, 206 pounds. He had a 36 1/2 VJ, 10'5 broad jump, 4.28 shuttle, and 6.90 3-cone. Did 26 lifts.

Tae Hayes- 5'9, 188 with a 4.56 average 40. He had a 1.57 10, 35 VJ, 10'1 broad jump, 4.19 shuttle, 6.90 3-cone, and 17 lifts.

Clifton Duck- He really destroyed his shot at getting drafted being so small with his 40. 5'9 1/4, 180 with a 4.67 average 40. He had a 33 1/2 VJ, 9'9 broad jump, 4.40 shuttle, 7.16 3-cone, and did 16 lifts.

Anthony Flory was 5'11 1/2, 232 pounds and ran around a 5.00 with a 30 VJ, 9'4 broad jump, 19 lifts, and a 4.48 shuttle.

Dominique Heath ran 4.70 while McMurry ran a 5.34 average 40 at 5'11 1/4, 238 pounds.

Jalin Moore results- 5'10, 207 with a 33 VJ, 9'6 broad jump, 4.39 shuttle.

I apologize if it’s already been addressed, but is there anyway Duck can reconsider and return? Seems to me that both he and App State could use another year together. Just not sure of the legality of it.

Nope and I think we have his replacement already. He signed with an agent pretty quick. He can't return if he wants. Honestly, he wants to go pro so he should go. Players who want to win a title and return to their team did so. That is not bad or good. Just what he wanted. He just won't like what he gets here sadly. Listening to the wrong people will burn players. Hopefully our rising juniors will not make the same mistake.

[AppStFan1]

Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.

Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.

Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.

[AppStFan1]

If Duck doesn't make it on an NFL roster, would he have a shot in Canada? It'd be interesting to see him cover AE. Duck vs GOAT.

With how things have changed the NFL needs to give AE a shot at QB. I believe if he was coming out now he would have been picked as one and still would be in the NFL or at least playing in Canada as an All-star QB for the CFL.

[AppStFan1]

I apologize if it’s already been addressed, but is there anyway Duck can reconsider and return? Seems to me that both he and App State could use another year together. Just not sure of the legality of it.

I don't believe so, once you sign with an agent you're done...no turning back.

Not even that. In football you are done if you declare. Basketball you can return by a certain date if you don’t sign an agent

Unless it changed recently, a player who doesn't sign with an agent you can return within 3 days of the deadline to declare.

[appstatealum]

Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.

Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.

Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.

Oh no, I believe what your saying, and it wasn’t the kids numbers I was basing it off of. An unidentified woman was saying that was the unofficial time when she was talking to a group beside me. His first run was good, but his second you could tell was slower. My guess is he didn’t get a good jump on either one, based on my old track days, that can kill your time significantly. If you had told me he ran that slow, I would’ve been shocked at the time. I guess if you base it on his size, it could’ve been right. There was no doubt Exford looked the fastest out of the bunch, but DoMo looked super quick in his individual work out drills.

[AppStFan1]

Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.

Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.

Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.

Oh no, I believe what your saying, and it wasn’t the kids numbers I was basing it off of. An unidentified woman was saying that was the unofficial time when she was talking to a group beside me. His first run was good, but his second you could tell was slower. My guess is he didn’t get a good jump on either one, based on my old track days, that can kill your time significantly. If you had told me he ran that slow, I would’ve been shocked at the time. I guess if you base it on his size, it could’ve been right. There was no doubt Exford looked the fastest out of the bunch, but DoMo looked super quick in his individual work out drills.

Most people are about .20-.30 off because they stop the clock when the toes touch the line and are slow with starting their phone. It is hard to get it down pat. My guess is 99% of us watching from the stands will never be accurate with it. A coach told me 10 years ago to never trust a phone time and to always discount it. Can't time accurately without a good stopwatch.

[appstatealum]

If Duck doesn't make it on an NFL roster, would he have a shot in Canada? It'd be interesting to see him cover AE. Duck vs GOAT.

With how things have changed the NFL needs to give AE a shot at QB. I believe if he was coming out now he would have been picked as one and still would be in the NFL or at least playing in Canada as an All-star QB for the CFL.

Agree, AE was a little ahead of his time. Unfortunately, that ship may have sailed. The biggest thing going against him was his frame, but he had a superb IQ and arm to match.