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Re: Pro Day 3/28

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If Duck doesn't make it on an NFL roster, would he have a shot in Canada? It'd be interesting to see him cover AE. Duck vs GOAT.
With how things have changed the NFL needs to give AE a shot at QB. I believe if he was coming out now he would have been picked as one and still would be in the NFL or at least playing in Canada as an All-star QB for the CFL.
Agree, AE was a little ahead of his time. Unfortunately, that ship may have sailed. The biggest thing going against him was his frame, but he had a superb IQ and arm to match.
Oh yes he had a very good arm. He was for sure 8-9 years ahead of his time.

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Re: Pro Day 3/28

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AppStFan1 wrote:
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Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.
Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.
Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.
I believe that you received some bad intel. Heath ran well and garnered a great deal of post workout time with scouts. That doesn’t happen with a 4.6 wideout.

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Re: Pro Day 3/28

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:30 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:20 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:52 pm
appstatealum wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:24 am
Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.
Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.
Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.
I believe that you received some bad intel. Heath ran well and garnered a great deal of post workout time with scouts. That doesn’t happen with a 4.6 wideout.
Nope. I'm about as sure as you can get on this. I won't say where I saw this but the media outlet who posts pro day info gets it straight from teams because the guy I asked is very cool and has sent me a screen shot to prove before. I use to question it but not anymore. Heath ran a high 4.6 and low 4.7 40.

They don't always talk to players they will sign. Sometimes they just need to answer something for their report. Our kicker a few years ago talked to a lot of teams after pro day and he did not even get a tryout. That means nothing. He could get a shot or get passed over. I truly believe he should get a shot and think he plays faster than a high 4.6 40 but that's what the Panthers turned in for him.

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Re: Pro Day 3/28

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:37 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:30 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:20 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:52 pm
appstatealum wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:24 am
Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.
Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.
Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.
I believe that you received some bad intel. Heath ran well and garnered a great deal of post workout time with scouts. That doesn’t happen with a 4.6 wideout.
Nope. I'm about as sure as you can get on this. I won't say where I saw this but the media outlet who posts pro day info gets it straight from teams because the guy I asked is very cool and has sent me a screen shot to prove before. I use to question it but not anymore. Heath ran a high 4.6 and low 4.7 40.

They don't always talk to players they will sign. Sometimes they just need to answer something for their report. Our kicker a few years ago talked to a lot of teams after pro day and he did not even get a tryout. That means nothing. He could get a shot or get passed over. I truly believe he should get a shot and think he plays faster than a high 4.6 40 but that's what the Panthers turned in for him.
I haven’t seen your evidence, but I would wager a c-note to Yosef Club that you and your friend are wrong.

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Re: Pro Day 3/28

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:25 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:37 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:30 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:20 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:52 pm
appstatealum wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 am

Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.
Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.
I believe that you received some bad intel. Heath ran well and garnered a great deal of post workout time with scouts. That doesn’t happen with a 4.6 wideout.
Nope. I'm about as sure as you can get on this. I won't say where I saw this but the media outlet who posts pro day info gets it straight from teams because the guy I asked is very cool and has sent me a screen shot to prove before. I use to question it but not anymore. Heath ran a high 4.6 and low 4.7 40.

They don't always talk to players they will sign. Sometimes they just need to answer something for their report. Our kicker a few years ago talked to a lot of teams after pro day and he did not even get a tryout. That means nothing. He could get a shot or get passed over. I truly believe he should get a shot and think he plays faster than a high 4.6 40 but that's what the Panthers turned in for him.
I haven’t seen your evidence, but I would wager a c-note to Yosef Club that you and your friend are wrong.
You are on.

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Re: Pro Day 3/28

Unread post by appstatealum » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:33 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:30 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:20 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:52 pm
appstatealum wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 am
Rekdiver wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:24 am
Heath at a 4.7 40? That has to be a typo.
Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.
Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.
I believe that you received some bad intel. Heath ran well and garnered a great deal of post workout time with scouts. That doesn’t happen with a 4.6 wideout.
Nope. I'm about as sure as you can get on this. I won't say where I saw this but the media outlet who posts pro day info gets it straight from teams because the guy I asked is very cool and has sent me a screen shot to prove before. I use to question it but not anymore. Heath ran a high 4.6 and low 4.7 40.

They don't always talk to players they will sign. Sometimes they just need to answer something for their report. Our kicker a few years ago talked to a lot of teams after pro day and he did not even get a tryout. That means nothing. He could get a shot or get passed over. I truly believe he should get a shot and think he plays faster than a high 4.6 40 but that's what the Panthers turned in for him.
I have someone I can ask for the official time, as he is directly linked to DoMo.

As far as the scouts spending extra time with DoMo, it wasn’t just talking, they went out of their way to do some extra workouts with him. They brought him down to the stadium to do punt returns and some different special teams related stuff. The Panthers seemed enamored with DoMo and McMurry, and the Chargers and Ravens were enamored with Tae (especially the Chargers).
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Re: Pro Day 3/28

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:37 pm

appstatealum wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:33 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:30 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:20 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:52 pm
appstatealum wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 am

Yeah, he was in the 4.40 range from what I heard when I was there. A few of the players were trying to time on their phones (which was funny), but he was definitely faster than 4.70.
Nope. He ran 4.69 and 4.70 according to the website, who gets official pro day results. I could email them and ask for a screenshot but I'm 99.9% sure. Never trust a timing on a phone. Any coach will tell you that is not the way to go. Unless you are trained on how to time players and standing at the 40 yard line looking horizontal to where the player crosses then you can add about 0.20-0.30, depending on how far off folks were.

The person in the media I got this from got their times directly from the Panthers, who were there.
I believe that you received some bad intel. Heath ran well and garnered a great deal of post workout time with scouts. That doesn’t happen with a 4.6 wideout.
Nope. I'm about as sure as you can get on this. I won't say where I saw this but the media outlet who posts pro day info gets it straight from teams because the guy I asked is very cool and has sent me a screen shot to prove before. I use to question it but not anymore. Heath ran a high 4.6 and low 4.7 40.

They don't always talk to players they will sign. Sometimes they just need to answer something for their report. Our kicker a few years ago talked to a lot of teams after pro day and he did not even get a tryout. That means nothing. He could get a shot or get passed over. I truly believe he should get a shot and think he plays faster than a high 4.6 40 but that's what the Panthers turned in for him.
I have someone I can ask for the official time, as he is directly linked to DoMo.

As far as the scouts spending extra time with DoMo, it wasn’t just talking, they went out of their way to do some extra workouts with him. They brought him down to the stadium to do punt returns and some different special teams related stuff. The Panthers seemed enamored with DoMo and McMurry, and the Chargers and Ravens were enamored with Tae (especially the Chargers).
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Re: Pro Day 3/28

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Don’t keep this private...I wanna know who won the bet!
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:03 pm

Won’t know the winner until the times are published. Not taking a third party source as a conclusion. Heath ran a 4.7 in high school so I am a bit skeptical. The school hasn’t published the times.

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Re: Pro Day 3/28

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Won’t know the winner until the times are published. Not taking a third party source as a conclusion. Heath ran a 4.7 in high school so I am a bit skeptical. The school hasn’t published the times.
Someone tweet to Gil Brandt and ask him for them. He posts them for people who ask on Twitter. He use to do a pro day blog but now just tweets official results. Ask Gil. If he says anything 4.6 or slower then it is closer to what I said or matches.

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Edit: I’m going to a source particularly close to the situation :D . Hang tight, waiting for them to hit me back.
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Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:54 pm

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If Duck doesn't make it on an NFL roster, would he have a shot in Canada? It'd be interesting to see him cover AE. Duck vs GOAT.
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Re: Pro Day 3/28

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I’m going straight to the source. Hang tight, waiting for them to hit me back.
The source? Unless you have evidence from a NFL scout who was there with a screenshot of the typed up document or photo of the hand written sheet there is nothing a family member can have that is better or official.

Ask Gil Brandt or ask the agent who he listed as Nick Star on the document.
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Re: Pro Day 3/28

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:03 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:02 pm
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I’m going straight to the source. Hang tight, waiting for them to hit me back.
The source? Unless you have evidence from a NFL scout who was there with a screenshot of the typed up document or photo of the sheet there is nothing a family member can have that is better or official.

Ask Gil Brandt or ask the agent Nick Star what NFL teams have on him.
Agreed. I want published times.

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Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:05 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
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I’m going straight to the source. Hang tight, waiting for them to hit me back.
The source? Unless you have evidence from a NFL scout who was there with a screenshot of the typed up document or photo of the sheet there is nothing a family member can have that is better or official.

Ask Gil Brandt or ask the agent Nick Star what NFL teams have on him.
I’d imagine Heath would have been told what his time was

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Unread post by AppStFan1 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:10 pm

NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:
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AppStFan1 wrote:
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I’m going straight to the source. Hang tight, waiting for them to hit me back.
The source? Unless you have evidence from a NFL scout who was there with a screenshot of the typed up document or photo of the sheet there is nothing a family member can have that is better or official.

Ask Gil Brandt or ask the agent Nick Star what NFL teams have on him.
I’d imagine Heath would have been told what his time was
Not always. Many times they do but sometimes they don't. There is a difference between what a player hears and what the scouts actually turn in. In this case I'm telling you that 4.69 and 4.70 was turned in. My friend in the media, not Gil Brandt, gets these and showed it to me.

Here are Heath's full official results:
HT: 5072 (5'8 1/4)
WT: 170 pounds
20-yard: 2.69 and 2.75
10-yard: 1.65-1.66
Vertical: 31 1/2
Broad Jump: 9'5
20 shuttle: 4.56
60 shuttle: 11.81
3-cone: 7.01
Hand: 8
Arm: 28 5/8
Wingspan: 71 1/8
Bench reps: 13

Heath scored a 15 of 25 on the wonderlic test. He and Duck are the only two who took the wonderlic since the others took it at prior pro days or workouts. Duck scored a 21 of 28.

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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:23 am

So where is the 40 time in these official results? Are these the numbers your friend gave you? If so, why can’t you post the 40 time? Look, I’m not questioning that your friend was given something. Just that what he was given is suspect. According to published reports, Exford ran a sub 4.5 forty. No way Heath is slower than Exford and if so, he definitely isn’t a half second to a second slower. Additionally, Heath was out fielding punts after drills for the Panthers and some other teams. No way do scouts waste their time doing this with a 4.6 guy. Especially when their reports are due the next day for all of their evals.

From the bet perspective, I am ok being wrong here, but just to understand, I want published times from a source that is reputable. I’m not taking the hand time test of one guy in one organization as proof.

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Unread post by Rekdiver » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:30 am

Somebody put a 4.7 out there to scare other teams away!!!

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Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:40 am

Maybe he got a 4.7, but it was the 100 yard dash.

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AppSt94 wrote:
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So where is the 40 time in these official results? Are these the numbers your friend gave you? If so, why can’t you post the 40 time? Look, I’m not questioning that your friend was given something. Just that what he was given is suspect. According to published reports, Exford ran a sub 4.5 forty. No way Heath is slower than Exford and if so, he definitely isn’t a half second to a second slower. Additionally, Heath was out fielding punts after drills for the Panthers and some other teams. No way do scouts waste their time doing this with a 4.6 guy. Especially when their reports are due the next day for all of their evals.

From the bet perspective, I am ok being wrong here, but just to understand, I want published times from a source that is reputable. I’m not taking the hand time test of one guy in one organization as proof.
Any time listed as official would be from one team. They don't get the clocks of 23 teams and take the average. One team is assigned to be the official distributor of the times and it is usually the Panthers, who gave my friend the times.

Here is what they have on Exford.

6000 (6'0), 206 pounds
4.46 and 4.50 40
20: 2.56 and 2.61
10: 1.59 and 1.61
Vertical: 36 1/2
Broad: 10'5
20 shuttle: 4.28
60: 11.60
3cn: 6.90
hand: 9 3/4
arm: 31
wing: 75 1/8
bench: 26
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