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CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:16 pm
by AtlAppMan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... ar-AACuOaF
This seems like a good analysis and fair. Picks App to win SBC.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:53 pm
by AppStFan1
I get the logic we may win 9 because of Troy and Louisiana on the road but we still have more talent than both teams. Louisiana will have to out coach us, IMO. GSU is a revenge game for us at home so I feel like we should win that for sure.
If Georgia State and CCU had a lot of talent I would fear those as losses if we are coming off P5 wins. Luckily they don't.
I feel like our best offensive player is Sutton because he dominates his position better than anyone else but Thomas certainly is great and the best in the SBC, when healthy. I do feel like Josh Thomas is a bit low in our top 5. He probably should be 2nd or 3rd at the very least.
I am nervous about CB and DT a little bit as they mention. We really need someone to step up in both of those spots but luckily we have a good rush on the edge and the best LBs in the SBC. Luckily while they develop we should be averaging 35 a game with this offense.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:04 am
by GregPercussion
Great article. Best one this off-season. Excited for the year!
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:13 pm
by smokeshow
Bold take but our secondary will be just as good if not better than last years squad. Losing Duck is a wash his weaknesses outweighed his strengths last year. We will miss Hayes!! Whoever they plug in for Duck will be more versatile and the secondary will not be designed around one guy running single coverage the whole game.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:28 am
by Saint3333
Is this the unpopular take thread?
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:08 am
by AppSt94
smokeshow wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:13 pm
Bold take but our secondary will be just as good if not better than last years squad. Losing Duck is a wash his weaknesses outweighed his strengths last year. We will miss Hayes!! Whoever they plug in for Duck will be more versatile and the secondary will not be designed around one guy running single coverage the whole game.
Could you please elaborate on your assessment of Duck?
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:20 am
by smokeshow
Duck was a solid lock down corner through out his career. He was relativity undersized and couldn't play up on the line because any WR with size would blow him off the line with a good punch. His biggest issue was he never seemed capable of running complicated coverages that every other DB was capable of. This limits our defenses ability to call different pass coverages. His Junior year was an unimpressive year where you saw teams with big WRs focus in on him realizing his weakness and attacking it for big gains. Georgia Southern did this very well!! He never really was able to pickup switches and would constantly be found lagging behind when he got beat on the switches.
Don't get me wrong he was a good player I just don't think he was as good as the fans wanted to believe he was. He had a decent amount of pass breakups throughout the year but was targeted more than any of the other DBs. You wonder why? They saw the same stuff I'm pointing out and tried to take advantage of it.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:41 am
by Saint3333
Any player that makes the All-SBC team multiple years (as voted by coaches as well) will be missed.
Where can I see the targeted stat? It didn't seem that way to me (I didn't track it obviously).
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:01 am
by Yosef84
I didn't see Duck being targeted either. I would be interested in seeing any actual stats that might be available. This is the first and only reference I've seen stating that he was being targeted MORE than other DBs. In fact, that seems to be the opposite of most comments.
Considering Georgia Southern had one pass completion on three attempts (and that was a busted play for a TD where the entire defense was caught flat footed) I don't think you could say GS did ANYTHING with their WRs that exploited Duck's size or coverage skills "a lot."
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:12 pm
by gsoappfan
smokeshow wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:20 am
Duck was a solid lock down corner through out his career. He was relativity undersized and couldn't play up on the line because any WR with size would blow him off the line with a good punch. His biggest issue was he never seemed capable of running complicated coverages that every other DB was capable of. This limits our defenses ability to call different pass coverages. His Junior year was an unimpressive year where you saw
teams with big WRs focus in on him realizing his weakness and attacking it for big gains. Georgia Southern did this very well!! He never really was able to pickup switches and would constantly be found lagging behind when he got beat on the switches.
Don't get me wrong he was a good player I just don't think he was as good as the fans wanted to believe he was. He had a decent amount of pass breakups throughout the year but was targeted more than any of the other DBs. You wonder why? They saw the same stuff I'm pointing out and tried to take advantage of it.
Duck... "Helped App State tie for No. 1 nationally with only eight passing touchdowns allowed. Defense also ranked No. 4 in scoring defense, No. 5 in passing yards allowed, No. 5 in fewest yards per pass attempt and No. 3 in pass efficiency defense … Key player in defense that ranked No. 1 nationally by allowing only 10 offensive plays of 30-plus yards and tied for No. 1 by allowing just one play of 50-plus yards"
The numbers don't support your claim that Duck was giving up big gains.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:39 pm
by Black Saturday
Sure wish he'd stayed in school
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:03 pm
by huskie3
Show, I don't know what you have been smoking but Duck was not a liability on defense or special teams.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:44 pm
by proasu89
smokeshow wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:20 am
Duck was a solid lock down corner through out his career. He was relativity undersized and couldn't play up on the line because any WR with size would blow him off the line with a good punch. His biggest issue was he never seemed capable of running complicated coverages that every other DB was capable of. This limits our defenses ability to call different pass coverages. His Junior year was an unimpressive year where you saw teams with big WRs focus in on him realizing his weakness and attacking it for big gains. Georgia Southern did this very well!! He never really was able to pickup switches and would constantly be found lagging behind when he got beat on the switches.
Don't get me wrong he was a good player I just don't think he was as good as the fans wanted to believe he was. He had a decent amount of pass breakups throughout the year but was targeted more than any of the other DBs. You wonder why? They saw the same stuff I'm pointing out and tried to take advantage of it.
I think you are looking for the unpopular opinion thread.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:12 pm
by SpeedkingATL
I would certainly take Duck back starting at DB this season if I had a choice as well as returning punts.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:05 am
by Black Saturday
Safe bet to pick APP this preseason, last year preseason I saw Arkansas St was picked, and they didn't win did they? If we stay healthy, I favor us to honor this guy's pick.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:29 am
by smokeshow
All I'm saying is we as a secondary will be better this year than last year with no Duck. If I'm wrong darn!
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:51 am
by AppSt94
smokeshow wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:29 am
All I'm saying is we as a secondary will be better this year than last year with no Duck. If I'm wrong darn!
Have to disagree with you. Duck was one of the most fundamentally sound individuals at the position that we have ever had. No way he has the career that he did without his understanding of positioning and his spacial awareness to direct receivers to the boundaries and use the sidelines as an extra defender. Sure he got beat sometimes but he was a great cornerback at the college level.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:57 am
by Appstate88
Duck was a Freshman All American at the FBS level. Nuff said...
I would say Clifton Duck and Tae Hayes who both signed UDFA contracts were a darn good CB tandem at any level. They have raised, and set the bar high for Jean-Charles, Jolly, Jones, Level, Beach and others to take it to the next level. I expect the new CB crew to be tested early given we have returning seasoned starters at S and FS. However, I do not expect a drop off in performance from last year. Our defense is our strength again this year and if they can stay healthy will be what wins another championship.
More concerned about how long it takes for the players to trust the new coaches. Click with the new offensive playbook and understanding new concepts in Special Teams.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:42 pm
by Saint3333
Still waiting on the support Duck was targeted more than others.
Re: CFN Picks App to win SBC
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:21 pm
by Appstate88
Saint3333 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:42 pm
Still waiting on the support Duck was targeted more than others.
I would say he was targeted more his freshman year and he performed outstanding. Last year, teams tried the center of the field to avoid Hayes and Duck and our FS and S ate their lunch....
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/d ... n-coverage
From this article...."Lesser known Clifton Duck of Appalachian State recorded the eighth-lowest passer rating when targeted (35.5) among draft-eligible cornerbacks during his sophomore season following a very impressive freshman year in which he allowed just a 62.9 passer rating into his throws. He now has 11 career interceptions and seven career pass breakups to his name as a Mountaineer."