Re: "Poor Performances" in the past 3 years
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:55 pm
Yardsale at Satt's house!!!!
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We get it. You're a skeptic. The statement that "We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over" is BS though. No such thing has been proven.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
If this were actually true, how does he continuously get hired for this position? If you weren't good at what you do, do you think that you would still be doing it for 30 years? The coaching circle is very tight and they know who can help them stay employed.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
According to ESPN's Playstation Player Impact Ratings, mostly based on statistics from last season (released on September 5th) Jordan Fehr was number 5 and Zac Thomas 33 in their rankings with a score of 99 and 97, respectively (out of 100). They were rated number 5 and number 33 out of every single player in FBS. Of course most people know the impact that their departures had on the game but to the laymen, they likely thought it was just a bad loss by App.appvette wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:12 pmHow many games over the past 3 years under Satt would you say we had performances as bad or worse than Saturday against UNCC?
This really opened my eyes to how unrealistic my own expectations were since Satt had 12 games that were either bad losses or ugly wins in 3 years. In some cases, we had bad performances against the worst teams in the country whereas UNCC will likely make a bowl. I didn't even include beatdowns by Clemson or Georgia or the loss to Troy where we could have won the outright championship.
We seem to forget these bad games and only remember the good from previous seasons. I guess we can allow Drink to have 1 or 2 ugly wins!
2016 (Beat Toledo in bowl game)
Game 3 – embarrassed by Miami at home
Game 4 – Gave up 38 points and about 500 yards to Akron
Game 5 – Went into halftime 0-0 against winless Georgia State
Game 7 – Went into halftime 10-6 against Idaho (now FCS)
2017 (Beat Toledo in bowl game 34-0)
Game 3 – Beat a terrible Texas State team by 7 points, was outgained in yards 385 – 283
Game 4 – lost to Wake Forest
Game 5 – New Mexico State (2-4) - went into 4th quarter tied, NMSU outgained App in yards 532-425 and first downs 28-17. Won 45-31 due to 6 turnovers by NMSU
Game 6 – Idaho (2-4)– Went into halftime down 17-0 and into 4th quarter down 20-7. Outgained in yards 312-276. Won 23-20
Game 7 – Coastal Carolina (1-6) – Went into halftime down 19- 17, won 37-29
Game 8 – Umass (2-6) – lost 30-27
Game 9 – ULM (4-5) – lost 52-45
2018 (killed MTSU in bowl)
Game 7 – Took a #25 ranking into Georgia Southern and got smacked down 34-14
His record speaks for itself....and like I said....I will hope anyway.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:11 pmWe get it. You're a skeptic. The statement that "We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over" is BS though. No such thing has been proven.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
Despite your last statement, it sounds like you (and a few others) would rather be right than to actually pull for improvement.
Yes his national championship ring does speak for itself. Get a clue.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:56 pmHis record speaks for itself....and like I said....I will hope anyway.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:11 pmWe get it. You're a skeptic. The statement that "We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over" is BS though. No such thing has been proven.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
Despite your last statement, it sounds like you (and a few others) would rather be right than to actually pull for improvement.
If you take a closer look at his record, there were many stops were the defense improved under his guidance. People tend to focus on his Duke and second Ga Tech stops.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:56 pmHis record speaks for itself....and like I said....I will hope anyway.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:11 pmWe get it. You're a skeptic. The statement that "We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over" is BS though. No such thing has been proven.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
Despite your last statement, it sounds like you (and a few others) would rather be right than to actually pull for improvement.
Wow!....is your last name Roof?Yosef10 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:12 pmYes his national championship ring does speak for itself. Get a clue.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:56 pmHis record speaks for itself....and like I said....I will hope anyway.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:11 pmWe get it. You're a skeptic. The statement that "We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over" is BS though. No such thing has been proven.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
Despite your last statement, it sounds like you (and a few others) would rather be right than to actually pull for improvement.
Nah you’re just talking out of your ass.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:59 pmWow!....is your last name Roof?Yosef10 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:12 pmYes his national championship ring does speak for itself. Get a clue.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:56 pmHis record speaks for itself....and like I said....I will hope anyway.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:11 pmWe get it. You're a skeptic. The statement that "We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over" is BS though. No such thing has been proven.dstreet01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:09 amThe flaw in your reasoning is that those past turnarounds were with either inexperienced coaches, or experienced coaches who had proven they could recover.....there was reason for hope.
We now have an experienced DC who has proven he can't turn things around.....over and over......big difference.
But I will hope anyway.
Despite your last statement, it sounds like you (and a few others) would rather be right than to actually pull for improvement.
Could you share it on google drive or upload it somewhere? I'm interested in what you put together.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:48 pmI agree. His record does speak for itself. Here is a summary of the programs where Roof has coached since 2008 and how they've all done in terms of the ranking of the Defense (total D). Let's look:
Comments by school:
Minnesota: Hard to evaluate. This is one of his only stops where his ranking was worse than the average, although he was 10 places better than the average of the subsequent 4 years and Minnesota seems to have improved significantly beginning with the 5th year subsequent to Roof being there. Obviously, he did well enough to attract Auburn (who hired him away).
Auburn: His average ranking of 64.5 seems unimpressive but includes a national championship in 2010 and is generally in line with Auburn's defensive rankings until 2016 when they appear to have taken a step forward.
UCF: Defense was ranked 9th in the country which UCF has still not beaten. UCF remained in the teens for 3 years after Roof but haven't ranked higher than 36 since. The year before Roof went to UCF, they ranked 88th in total D. I'd say 88 to 9 is a pretty impressive improvement.
Penn State: Of the programs where he coached, PSU has had the most consistently high ranking D, but in the "non-Roof" years since 2008, their average D ranking is 23.5. Roof's D is their highest ranking at 16.
Georgia Tech: Despite all the negative comments about him at GT, in his 5 years he averaged a ranking of 46.8 which exceeds the average of the other years reviewed by 11. Only 2008 ranked higher than his average except 2008. Nate Woody replaced him in 2018 and the D ranking got worse, increasing from 63 to 79.
NCSU: The year before Roof, NCSU ranked 51. Roof's D rose to 45 which has only been bettered in 2 years during the period reviewed. The average ranking for State's D without Roof was 58.1.
I just don't see any pattern that says Roof has gone into ANY program and taken the Defense backwards. Yes, he has been a bit of a journeyman but all that proves is that he is good at getting up to speed quickly. With the exception of GT, he has been a professional "interim" which might not be a bad thing in our situation...or maybe he'll just knock the top out and fall in love with App State Football!
Yep...The Record speaks for itself.
Note: I created a nice spreadsheet but can't get it to post on here.
Ament4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:06 pmGood perspective in this thread. Anyone that has followed App for any amount of time should be well used to unexpectedly bad wins or even loses because they happen all the time. The good part is that it is usually a bad win, just like last weekend. People act like we have never had first year starting dbs get torched, or players struggle with a new defensive coordinator and scheme, or let a team we underestimated to play us tougher than we expected, this is App State Football and all of those thing happen. As bad as our d looked, we still won the game and its still a lot better than that Liberty loss.
At least this was an ugly W! Take that over a loss where the D is lights out all but one single play and lose 3-0.1ASU78 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:22 pmAment4pizza wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:06 pmGood perspective in this thread. Anyone that has followed App for any amount of time should be well used to unexpectedly bad wins or even loses because they happen all the time. The good part is that it is usually a bad win, just like last weekend. People act like we have never had first year starting dbs get torched, or players struggle with a new defensive coordinator and scheme, or let a team we underestimated to play us tougher than we expected, this is App State Football and all of those thing happen. As bad as our d looked, we still won the game and its still a lot better than that Liberty loss.
We've always had the game we could have should have but didn't.
Going back several Moore years we went through a "no Moore" period around here. Now we're getting a plaza and statue. Things change.
So coach Drink, go fight win give em hell !!
PS. and I was perplexed leaving the game Sat. I'm feeling better now. But one of our traditions that has not changed is an UGLY game now and again.
A few things that I think we overlook sometimes on your post though.appvette wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:12 pmHow many games over the past 3 years under Satt would you say we had performances as bad or worse than Saturday against UNCC?
This really opened my eyes to how unrealistic my own expectations were since Satt had 12 games that were either bad losses or ugly wins in 3 years. In some cases, we had bad performances against the worst teams in the country whereas UNCC will likely make a bowl. I didn't even include beatdowns by Clemson or Georgia or the loss to Troy where we could have won the outright championship.
We seem to forget these bad games and only remember the good from previous seasons. I guess we can allow Drink to have 1 or 2 ugly wins!
2016 (Beat Toledo in bowl game)
Game 3 – embarrassed by Miami at home
Game 4 – Gave up 38 points and about 500 yards to Akron
Game 5 – Went into halftime 0-0 against winless Georgia State
Game 7 – Went into halftime 10-6 against Idaho (now FCS)
2017 (Beat Toledo in bowl game 34-0)
Game 3 – Beat a terrible Texas State team by 7 points, was outgained in yards 385 – 283
Game 4 – lost to Wake Forest
Game 5 – New Mexico State (2-4) - went into 4th quarter tied, NMSU outgained App in yards 532-425 and first downs 28-17. Won 45-31 due to 6 turnovers by NMSU
Game 6 – Idaho (2-4)– Went into halftime down 17-0 and into 4th quarter down 20-7. Outgained in yards 312-276. Won 23-20
Game 7 – Coastal Carolina (1-6) – Went into halftime down 19- 17, won 37-29
Game 8 – Umass (2-6) – lost 30-27
Game 9 – ULM (4-5) – lost 52-45
2018 (killed MTSU in bowl)
Game 7 – Took a #25 ranking into Georgia Southern and got smacked down 34-14