Re: Transition
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:55 pm
Give credit and name the one's responsible for the jump.
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Give credit and name the one's responsible for the jump.
What false narrative? If I recall in that period we lost to Charleston Southern, NC A&T and Liberty.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:41 pmThe name recognition of Wofford, Furman, and Elon, come on Hap that's a false narrative. Fans weren't coming to see those teams, they were coming to see App play. Our fans may have traveled more to away games, but that was the core 2-3k.
Another perk is the much improved schedule. Home games vs. Miami, Wake, Marshall, ECU, NC, SC, etc.
Who said anything about the losses? The name recognition of former SOCon foes is the false narrative.hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:23 pmWhat false narrative? If I recall in that period we lost to Charleston Southern, NC A&T and Liberty.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:41 pmThe name recognition of Wofford, Furman, and Elon, come on Hap that's a false narrative. Fans weren't coming to see those teams, they were coming to see App play. Our fans may have traveled more to away games, but that was the core 2-3k.
Another perk is the much improved schedule. Home games vs. Miami, Wake, Marshall, ECU, NC, SC, etc.
We went 4-8 in our first year of transition and started 1-5 in the next year before winning our last six. From that point on we have been riding high in both FBS and the Belt.
It starts with culture and belief that you have something that no one else has. Most of us alumni and fans that were for the move recognized where the FCS was going and knew we had to make the move before it was too late. The believers knew we had a special culture at App State and knew if we could maintain that culture that we could compete at the FBS level. The fact that we have reached the Top 25 this early doesn’t surprise me, what does surprise me is the success we have had leading up to this point. I thought it would take 4-5 years of recruiting and staffing to get to the level where we are winning consecutive bowl games and conference titles, not one year.23Bison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:16 pmHello everyone! I'm sure someone has asked before and I may have missed it but I have a question regarding your transition from FCS to FBS. You guys have had a lot of success in the Sunbelt especially as of late and I am wondering what your opinions are on the move. I'm sure its easy for you to answer that its been great with your current success but what about the seasons where maybe your record lacked some luster. I am an NDSU Bison fan and we are currently riding a 32 game win streak and are like 123-8 since 2011 I believe and counting FBS games with no losses to the FBS. This topic is coming up a lot lately and am just curious as to what your overall thoughts are. Especially in the early years of your transition.
This was the #1 concern we had. But once you move up and get away from FCS ball...you finally learn that no one cares about FCS. Our minor bowl gamea get better ratings than the FCS title game...and simply being ranked in the top 25 is waaaaay more exposure than winning even 10 FCS titles. We used to boast of FCS success and look at the Massey ratings to see how we stacked up to FBS teams...but looking back on it, that was silly. NO ONE looks or cares about Massey Ratings. I hope NDSU moves up...I think they Montana and JMU are the only deserving candidates and I believe you guys would do awesome. You are already much better than 30 or so FBS programs.
Probably the best thing our AD has done is being creative and opportunistic with scheduling. We had people on this board swearing up and down we would never get ECU to visit Boone- let alone any P5 - without expanding our stadium to 40,000.23Bison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:41 pmHosting P5 schools was another thing that some fans don't think would ever happen even though Wyoming hosted Oregon a few years ago and Fresno St. had Minnesota come in for a visit. It probably won't happen all of the time but I would be willing to bet that maybe 1 every other year or so one would pay a visit. They think all we would be playing is E. Mich and say U of N. Texas for OOC games.
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in reference to my original post. Please go back and read my original post and the one that followed mine. I believe you meant to respond to that post, not mine.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:42 pmWho said anything about the losses? The name recognition of former SOCon foes is the false narrative.hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:23 pmWhat false narrative? If I recall in that period we lost to Charleston Southern, NC A&T and Liberty.Saint3333 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:41 pmThe name recognition of Wofford, Furman, and Elon, come on Hap that's a false narrative. Fans weren't coming to see those teams, they were coming to see App play. Our fans may have traveled more to away games, but that was the core 2-3k.
Another perk is the much improved schedule. Home games vs. Miami, Wake, Marshall, ECU, NC, SC, etc.
We went 4-8 in our first year of transition and started 1-5 in the next year before winning our last six. From that point on we have been riding high in both FBS and the Belt.
Looking back, I actually think it makes it easier that we won those titles before we moved up. Sort of a been there, done that thing.
To me, a positive transition begins and ends with culture. Culture of the administration, staff, coaches, players, students and fans. You have to embrace who you are before you start and maintain that through the process. There will be peaks and valleys that have to be approached in the same manner.23Bison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:16 pmHello everyone! I'm sure someone has asked before and I may have missed it but I have a question regarding your transition from FCS to FBS. You guys have had a lot of success in the Sunbelt especially as of late and I am wondering what your opinions are on the move. I'm sure its easy for you to answer that its been great with your current success but what about the seasons where maybe your record lacked some luster. I am an NDSU Bison fan and we are currently riding a 32 game win streak and are like 123-8 since 2011 I believe and counting FBS games with no losses to the FBS. This topic is coming up a lot lately and am just curious as to what your overall thoughts are. Especially in the early years of your transition.
Some of the P5's were straight up (Miami because they needed to add a game, Wake Forest due to their size and proximity), some were 2 for 1's and another agreement is a 2 for 1, with a 4th game in the Panthers' Stadium in Charlotte.23Bison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:41 pmHosting P5 schools was another thing that some fans don't think would ever happen even though Wyoming hosted Oregon a few years ago and Fresno St. had Minnesota come in for a visit. It probably won't happen all of the time but I would be willing to bet that maybe 1 every other year or so one would pay a visit. They think all we would be playing is E. Mich and say U of N. Texas for OOC games.
In the late 90's, I remember going back to games and having discussions with friends about moving up so the program could grow... but we all agreed that until we won a natty we shouldn't as we still had work to do at the FCS level, we wanted the program to validate the move up. We already had great tradition and were well respected and had great success with multiple conference titles, but seemed to always flame out in the playoffs.EastHallApp wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:16 pmLooking back, I actually think it makes it easier that we won those titles before we moved up. Sort of a been there, done that thing.
The first title we won, I was almost in disbelief. The second one was nearly as good - back to back, wow!
By the third one, I remember telling my friend “I hope we blow them out tonight, I don’t feel like having to stress.” And we did, and it was great... but it was starting to feel routine by that point.
You guys have won SO many, I can’t imagine it’s quite the thrill it used to be, even if few would admit it.
Also, I never went to any of our title games, but I’ve been to three of our bowl games and bowl week is just an awesome excuse to vacation and party.