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by ah59396 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:11 am
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:57 pm
asu7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:46 pm
Oh my now the miner fans are chiming in.
If one talks too loud, just tell them to quite down, the Adults are talking. They can go back to their high school pep rallies while we talk about top 20 finishes and having the SEC wanting a taste of what we got.
I know quite a few Niners fans personally and they are all great and very realistic about their program.
We have some stupid online fans so that’s not unique to their fanbase.
What is unique to their fanbase is all of their fans that are online are complete idiots. Whereas for most teams it’s like, a small percentage.
I really think Gonzo cursed their online crowd back in the early 2010’s and turned them all batshit crazy.
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by JMappfan5 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:24 am
yosef69 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:02 am
JMappfan5 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:00 am
asu7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:32 pm
I don’t care where the roof goes. If his son wants to be here so be it. If he is good enough to be here then so be it. I just want Gas to be our DC.
Hope Coach Roof stays! Smith and Gas can learn a lot from him. Wouldn't be surprised to see Cheese stay as well.
Would personally like to see roof hired and blasted at mizzou.
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by hapapp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:20 am
ASU2012 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:37 pm
We will always be a stepping stone as long as we’re in the Sunbelt.
We`'ll always be a stepping stone as a G5 program, it has nothing to do with the Belt. Just look at Memphis and their last two hires.
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:20 am
ah59396 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:11 am
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:57 pm
asu7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:46 pm
Oh my now the miner fans are chiming in.
If one talks too loud, just tell them to quite down, the Adults are talking. They can go back to their high school pep rallies while we talk about top 20 finishes and having the SEC wanting a taste of what we got.
I know quite a few Niners fans personally and they are all great and very realistic about their program.
We have some stupid online fans so that’s not unique to their fanbase.
What is unique to their fanbase is all of their fans that are online are complete idiots. Whereas for most teams it’s like, a small percentage.
I really think Gonzo cursed their online crowd back in the early 2010’s and turned them all batshit crazy.
Gonzo probably represented them all in court at some point.
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by postalapp90 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:38 am
hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:20 am
ASU2012 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:37 pm
We will always be a stepping stone as long as we’re in the Sunbelt.
We`'ll always be a stepping stone as a G5 program, it has nothing to do with the Belt. Just look at Memphis and their last two hires.
Off topic but i saw some of the Norvell press conference for FSU. Thought I was watching some tv megachurch preacher. He was pretty over the top.The way he talked I was expecting to be asked for a donation.
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
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by NavyApp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
He did not Deliver on everything HE SAID. What we're his stated goals for this season? Win the Sun Belt Conference Title(check) and a bowl game (unfulfilled, someone else will take care of that)....and win them with what... class, INTEGRITY, and academic excellence. I've heard it so much I hear it in my sleep.
I'm not mad he left, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. But when you come in slinging around the phrases and mantras he did from day one and preaching BUY IN from the players, students, alumni and fans. Then you turn around and leave for a program in shambles it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I have no doubt WE will be fine moving forward because that's what we do. As for him I wish him luck because he sure as hell is going to need it! A quick glance at their 2020 schedule is actually pretty favorable given the conference but he is going to catch at least 2 beat downs(UGA and UF) also Muschamp and Napier both have another crack at him next year too.
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by BallantyneApp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:03 am
ah59396 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:11 am
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:57 pm
asu7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:46 pm
Oh my now the miner fans are chiming in.
If one talks too loud, just tell them to quite down, the Adults are talking. They can go back to their high school pep rallies while we talk about top 20 finishes and having the SEC wanting a taste of what we got.
I know quite a few Niners fans personally and they are all great and very realistic about their program.
We have some stupid online fans so that’s not unique to their fanbase.
What is unique to their fanbase is all of their fans that are online are complete idiots. Whereas for most teams it’s like, a small percentage.
I really think Gonzo cursed their online crowd back in the early 2010’s and turned them all batshit crazy.
I’m sure most of them are also realistic in person as well.
The part about the niner psyche I’ve never quite understood is the juxtaposition of acting like a major program, but at the same time lamenting the fact that they have no fanbase, media coverage or student support, and also believing that the SEC is announcing them soon. Thank God their football coach pops his shirt off and throws sweet male only parties in the locker room to bring the program a modicum of attention.
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 am
NavyApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
He did not Deliver on everything HE SAID. What we're his stated goals for this season? Win the Sun Belt Conference Title(check) and a bowl game (unfulfilled, someone else will take care of that)....and win them with what... class, INTEGRITY, and academic excellence. I've heard it so much I hear it in my sleep.
I'm not mad he left, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. But when you come in slinging around the phrases and mantras he did from day one and preaching BUY IN from the players, students, alumni and fans. Then you turn around and leave for a program in shambles it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I have no doubt WE will be fine moving forward because that's what we do. As for him I wish him luck because he sure as hell is going to need it! A quick glance at their 2020 schedule is actually pretty favorable given the conference but he is going to catch at least 2 beat downs(UGA and UF) also Muschamp and Napier both have another crack at him next year too.
Why bold the integrity point? Where was his word challenged? Yes, I get people are hung up on the “this job isn’t a stepping stone job” comment, but some of ya’ll (not directed at you) bought into that with your egos and pried for our school. Honestly, how many jobs in college football, P5 included, are not stepping stone jobs? Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, and a couple of more. It was rhetoric to energize the fan base. He was trying to win over the insiders. It wasn’t sleezy double speak.
Now where this can really hurt us is another national search will bring a whole host of viable candidates looking to parlay success with a stacked team into life changing money in 2021 and we are right back here again.
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by GreatAppSt » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:57 am
Does anyone else find it interesting Gillen came here from Mizzou and Drink is going there?
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by ericsaid » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:16 am
The Rock wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:23 pm
ericsaid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:46 pm
PhillyApp wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:42 pm
Clark to HC, Gas to D coordinator, and Riley to O coordinator. Make it happen DG!!!!
I really think retaining Clark, Gas, Smith, Watts, and Riley should be of utmost importance. Ruffin was able to keep Lincoln at ECU for 4 years and they really built that program up from the depths (leading NC State 42-7 in a game, defeating Russell Wilson led NC State, dropping 70 points on UNC). Assuming Garret is 70% of his brother, you have an alumnus as a head coach, and some young up and comers on defense. I'd also like to believe Roof sticking around would be ideal to help foster Smith/Gas.
Wonder what the odds of Harbison sticking around are? Being from Shelby, I'd assume he's tired of moving around as well.
I will be highly surprised if any of the staff that drink brought from outside stays (except Lance ware).
Link, Harbison , Riley, Stewart,roof, Washington, will most likely go with him. I don’t think many of them would have survived the winters anyway.
Interesting question, where does Ted Roof’s son go now? Transfer to Missouri, stay here? Will he have to sit another year?
TD looks like a player. He's got some speed that hasn't been seen at the ILB position for App in quite some time. I know Fehr is quick but Roof looks to just be flat out fast.
If Roof wanted to stay, depending on how the hiring process goes, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I know a lot of people here aren't incredibly pleased with him (inexplicably in my opinion), but Gas and Smith being able to learn under him really is invaluable. I'd also think Clark could benefit should he end up being the coach.
Harbison is probably gone but he is from Shelby and has been around quite a bit. Is he in a position to continually move, as a position coach? This isn't a rhetorical question, I really don't know the answer.
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:37 am
GreatAppSt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:57 am
Does anyone else find it interesting Gillen came here from Mizzou and Drink is going there?
I think it is more coincidental. Drink interviewed for their OC job last year but told them that he wasn’t interested in making a move for a lateral position. At that point, the AD contacted DG and recommended him to App. Or so the legend goes.
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by bigdaddyg » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:01 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 am
NavyApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
He did not Deliver on everything HE SAID. What we're his stated goals for this season? Win the Sun Belt Conference Title(check) and a bowl game (unfulfilled, someone else will take care of that)....and win them with what... class, INTEGRITY, and academic excellence. I've heard it so much I hear it in my sleep.
I'm not mad he left, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. But when you come in slinging around the phrases and mantras he did from day one and preaching BUY IN from the players, students, alumni and fans. Then you turn around and leave for a program in shambles it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I have no doubt WE will be fine moving forward because that's what we do. As for him I wish him luck because he sure as hell is going to need it! A quick glance at their 2020 schedule is actually pretty favorable given the conference but he is going to catch at least 2 beat downs(UGA and UF) also Muschamp and Napier both have another crack at him next year too.
Why bold the integrity point? Where was his word challenged? Yes, I get people are hung up on the “this job isn’t a stepping stone job” comment, but some of ya’ll (not directed at you) bought into that with your egos and pried for our school. Honestly, how many jobs in college football, P5 included, are not stepping stone jobs? Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, and a couple of more. It was rhetoric to energize the fan base. He was trying to win over the insiders. It wasn’t sleezy double speak.
Now where this can really hurt us is another national search will bring a whole host of viable candidates looking to parlay success with a stacked team into life changing money in 2021 and we are right back here again.
Drink certainly likes to sling around catch phrases and mantras and you could just about predict when they would be said. App culture and "brand" has absolutely been beaten to death. I fully understand that we have a culture so to speak but what exactly did Drink do to "maintain" our culture? I am getting lost on this whole thing. I feel like I know sports pretty well having watched them a LONG time but someone please explain what was so different with our offensive system. With Satt we ran the ball a lot which is our bread and butter with the stable of backs we have. It appeared that with Drink we ran the ball a lot (sometimes way too much predictably up the middle). We also took a few shots with Satt but possibly more with Drink? Was Drink's system trying a trick play once a game? Was it also going ultra-conservative when we had a big lead? Seems like we did that last year as well and guys hated it then. About the only thing I could see that might have been done differently was to let Zac run the ball more?
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by NavyApp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:15 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 am
NavyApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
He did not Deliver on everything HE SAID. What we're his stated goals for this season? Win the Sun Belt Conference Title(check) and a bowl game (unfulfilled, someone else will take care of that)....and win them with what... class, INTEGRITY, and academic excellence. I've heard it so much I hear it in my sleep.
I'm not mad he left, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. But when you come in slinging around the phrases and mantras he did from day one and preaching BUY IN from the players, students, alumni and fans. Then you turn around and leave for a program in shambles it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I have no doubt WE will be fine moving forward because that's what we do. As for him I wish him luck because he sure as hell is going to need it! A quick glance at their 2020 schedule is actually pretty favorable given the conference but he is going to catch at least 2 beat downs(UGA and UF) also Muschamp and Napier both have another crack at him next year too.
Why bold the integrity point? Where was his word challenged? Yes, I get people are hung up on the “this job isn’t a stepping stone job” comment, but some of ya’ll (not directed at you) bought into that with your egos and pried for our school. Honestly, how many jobs in college football, P5 included, are not stepping stone jobs? Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, and a couple of more. It was rhetoric to energize the fan base. He was trying to win over the insiders. It wasn’t sleezy double speak.
Now where this can really hurt us is another national search will bring a whole host of viable candidates looking to parlay success with a stacked team into life changing money in 2021 and we are right back here again.
You asked why I highlighted the word integrity. Here is the definition of the word:
The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
Now given all that he has said since he was hired to be our HC do you think he acted with integrity? I personally do not. Listen to his post game presser, all the hub bun about fake news and he is no hurry to leave. You can't tell me he and his agent didn't have something in the works at the time those words left his mouth. Don't preach something you are not willing to do.
I have zero ill will towards the man, he was at the helm of one of the greatest seasons in App history. But I will say this; I lost a lot of sleep when Scott left worried about what would come next. Last night I slept like a baby because I know our School and Program will continue the March forward!
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by 97grad » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:22 am
Acknowledging that we are a stepping stone means admitting that we are not going to be anyone's final destination; I think we all get that. But being a job hopper is not something you want to be known for in almost any career and spending a single season somewhere definitely qualifies. If things go well at Mizzou then fine, but if it doesn't work out there his days as a HC could be over.
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by Rekdiver » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:25 am
NavyApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
He did not Deliver on everything HE SAID. What we're his stated goals for this season? Win the Sun Belt Conference Title(check) and a bowl game (unfulfilled, someone else will take care of that)....and win them with what... class, INTEGRITY, and academic excellence. I've heard it so much I hear it in my sleep.
I'm not mad he left, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. But when you come in slinging around the phrases and mantras he did from day one and preaching BUY IN from the players, students, alumni and fans. Then you turn around and leave for a program in shambles it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I have no doubt WE will be fine moving forward because that's what we do. As for him I wish him luck because he sure as hell is going to need it! A quick glance at their 2020 schedule is actually pretty favorable given the conference but he is going to catch at least 2 beat downs(UGA and UF) also Muschamp and Napier both have another crack at him next year too.
Did he deliver or did was it Clark Roof and other assistants?
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by hapapp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:27 am
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 am
I get the raw emotions but damn. He delivered on everything we wanted. He maintained the culture. He kept true to his word to keep the defense. He beat, not one, but two P5s. He elevated our brand to points we weren’t expecting. Yes you can say that he inherited a great situation, but he just as easily have screwed it up. A 12-1 regular season elevated his stock and you guys are upset. Understood, but if we would have gone 9-3 or 8-4 this year, he would possibly still be here and many of you would still be unhappy with the hire. We were unfortunate that Missouri fired their coach this year after a 6 win season. Drink turned down the OC roll there last year so they were quite familiar with each other. He took a job for more money. Time to move on.
Ditto. I'm not pleased he left but it is amazing how so many here thought he walked on water and how he was such an upgrade from Satt and now folks want to burn him at the stake. It's probably not wise to hitch your wagon so generously to someone before you know where they are going. This place is so mercurial.
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by Appstate88 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:30 am
I understand a young HC wants to chase the big opportunity and $$$. But, I believe you should do what you say in terms of stated goals for yourself, team or university.
“Win a conference championship and bowl game with class, integrity and academic excellence”
DRINKQUITS without achieving a bowl Victory!
Nuff said. Let’s move forward App Family.
GIVE 'EM HELL APPS!
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by Rekdiver » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:32 am
The things that get me is " God led me here".... Flipp Wilson would say 'The devil made me do it"
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:45 am
Not to piss turpentine on a brush fire, but some food for thought for those calling out integrity. Drink signed a four year deal through 2023 and left after a year. Satt signed an extension through 2023 and left after six months. Just saying.