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LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:57 am
by yosef95
I know this has been discussed, but has anyone heard anything/rumors about App trying to slide to Conf Usa/Aac. Obviously, those conferences would have to have an opening and invite etc. Was looking at some of the teams in both conferences and App has a similar media footprint as App. And App is unique in that Charlotte is actually their alumni/fanbase, which is a bigger market than most of those teams. That and App has a better football name than most of them. Something else to consider is that traveling road teams have a cool desitination Boone trip to the mtns rather than some random town in the middle of nowhere that isnt a tourist attracion
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:13 am
by appst89
A big NO to CUSA. If the AAC calls, the answer is yes immediately.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:17 am
by hotrod2001
I think it's universally accepted that nobody here wants to go to C-USA after they snubbed us for those quality programs down at Old Dominion and Charlotte.
AAC is the end game for us. We want the UConn spot.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:33 am
by APP93
There is no reason to change conferences other than an AAC invite, all of the G5 conference are the same, except for the AAC that is a cut above G5 and a cut below P5.
Now, if a new conference was created that had more regional rivals I would be on board with a change, but until then we should lobby for better SB bowl tie-ins and continue to grow the perception of our current league.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:34 am
by APP93
There is no reason to change conferences other than an AAC invite, all of the G5 conference are the same, except for the AAC that is a cut above G5 and a cut below P5.
Now, if a new conference was created that had more regional rivals I would be on board with a change, but until then we should lobby for better SB bowl tie-ins and continue to grow the perception of our current league.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:41 am
by hapapp
Frankly, I’m not holding my breath for an AAC invite. Competitive-wise we are ready but budgetary-wise we have a ways to go. I’m not sure it’s the slam dunk everyone thinks it is.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:58 am
by Capt. Ed
We should be focused on surviving the next big bang in NCAA divisions and conference re-alignment, not worrying about switching now. Weak and non consequential programs are going to be booted. Hopefully we will continue our athletic and academic success, build attendance, improve our stadium, and raise donations.
We can do all these things right where we are. Sure an AAC invite would be flattering, but realistically it's not going to happen, and, with travel expenses and trying to keep up with the neighbors, we'd go broke.
We need to be in a more regional conference with our true historical peers. Our new coach, Doug Gillin and our Chancellor have the ball in their court. Let's challenge, support and encourage them to make the right moves now that will pay off in the future.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:59 am
by appstate77
I don't think anyone considers it a "slam dunk"; just our best opportunity at the moment.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:25 am
by biggie
Still don't think there is any way we move to a current conf as it stands. It would take some major realignment and getting into a newly formed conf.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:30 am
by ericsaid
APP93 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:34 am
There is no reason to change conferences other than an AAC invite, all of the G5 conference are the same, except for the AAC that is a cut above G5 and a cut below P5.
Now, if a new conference was created that had more regional rivals I would be on board with a change, but until then we should lobby for better SB bowl tie-ins and continue to grow the perception of our current league.
Based on current bowl alignments, it's obvious not all G5 conferences are the same. That may change but I doubt that it changes much, if at all.
The Sun Belt has been performing better of late and that should only improve, but I question what exactly the actual on field performance has to do with bowl tie-ins. C-USA placed Marshall in a game with UCF, FAU with SMU, Louisiana Tech with Miami (Fl.), etc.
The Sun Belt is the only conference without a bowl game against a P5 opponent.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:30 am
by EastHallApp
biggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:25 am
Still don't think there is any way we move to a current conf as it stands. It would take some major realignment and getting into a newly formed conf.
Agree. Really hope it happens. Seemed like there was some increasing public discussion of such an idea a year or two ago, but I haven't heard a peep about it lately.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:31 am
by AppStFan1
biggie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:25 am
Still don't think there is any way we move to a current conf as it stands. It would take some major realignment and getting into a newly formed conf.
I am 100% behind forming a new league if we can't get in AAC. If AAC calls I would want in immediately. As long as the next AD wants to go there or if Gillin is here in 5-6 years I think we will be in the AAC.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:32 am
by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09
Take C-USA East teams, combined with Sun Belt East teams and you have a new 12 team conference. Do the same for the West. Then create two divisions within each new conference. Would love to see this happen. My proposal for the new conference we'd be in would be...
North Division
App State
Marshall
ODU
UNCC
WKU
MTSU
South Division
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Troy
FIU
FAU
We could still play Georgia Southern annually like Alabama and Tennessee have a cross division annual game.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:33 am
by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09
Take C-USA East teams, combined with Sun Belt East teams and you have a new 12 team conference. Do the same for the West. Then create two divisions within each new conference. Would love to see this happen. My proposal for the new conference we'd be in would be...
North Division
App State
Marshall
ODU
UNCC
WKU
MTSU
South Division
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Troy
FIU
FAU
We could still play Georgia Southern annually like Alabama and Tennessee have a cross division annual game.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:41 am
by yosef13
FAU is playing SMU.
App is playing UAB.
It is a lateral move with the exception of the bowl tie ins. I was in favor for staying put, but after going 12-1, ranked #20, and getting UAB, the writing is on the wall. We need to get out of the SB.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:43 am
by hapapp
yosef13 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:41 am
FAU is playing SMU.
App is playing UAB.
It is a lateral move with the exception of the bowl tie ins. I was in favor for staying put, but after going 12-1, ranked #20, and getting UAB, the writing is on the wall. We need to get out of the SB.
Easier said than done.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:46 am
by HkyMtneer
For some reason, and all season long, I've not been able to escape this feeling that DG (and maybe a few prominent boosters) have been working behind the scenes courting the AAC. I've got no information of any sort to back that feeling up but it's lingered after certain comments or interviews rubbed me a certain way...things like that. We really didn't have the $$ at that precise moment to make the jump to the Belt but we did it and the $$, or at least enough of it, came. We'd obviously need more, at an even greater clip, to make the AAC jump (and to compete across the board in the AAC) but I think the right folks could sell the AAC on the Mountaineer brand. If we can show that basketball is on the rise, keep baseball pointed upwards, then I think we could convince enough people that App State is the next brand darling that they should want to buy. If it, it being an invite, were to happen - I don't even question it - AAC it is.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:56 am
by yosef13
hapapp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:43 am
yosef13 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:41 am
FAU is playing SMU.
App is playing UAB.
It is a lateral move with the exception of the bowl tie ins. I was in favor for staying put, but after going 12-1, ranked #20, and getting UAB, the writing is on the wall. We need to get out of the SB.
Easier said than done.
Agree, but it should be one of our main goals. I did not think this way until our bowl selection yesterday. We are ranked #20 and our reward is UAB with 4 losses. That is our conference's fault. The SB has serviced its purpose and was the right fit at first, but if we have hopes of being a Boise type program, the SB is not the place to be.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:58 am
by appstategrad2008
HkyMtneer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:46 am
For some reason, and all season long, I've not been able to escape this feeling that DG (and maybe a few prominent boosters) have been working behind the scenes courting the AAC. I've got no information of any sort to back that feeling up but it's lingered after certain comments or interviews rubbed me a certain way...things like that. We really didn't have the $$ at that precise moment to make the jump to the Belt but we did it and the $$, or at least enough of it, came. We'd obviously need more, at an even greater clip, to make the AAC jump (and to compete across the board in the AAC) but I think the right folks could sell the AAC on the Mountaineer brand. If we can show that basketball is on the rise, keep baseball pointed upwards, then I think we could convince enough people that App State is the next brand darling that they should want to buy. If it, it being an invite, were to happen - I don't even question it - AAC it is.
You touched on one aspect I was thinking about as far as the $$$ required to compete in the AAC. Simply by virtue of being in the AAC, our funds will go up significantly. Better cut as far as TV contracts, bowl tie-ins, etc. That alone bumps up our financial profile.
Re: LT Conf Future
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:00 pm
by asu7
The bowl contracts is the only reason cusa is better at this time and those are going to change next year. Cusa is not better aac is though. I don’t think we are ready aac just yet. Cusa will be a downgrade after this year.