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Keep in mind Washington deserves to enter the rankings. Will they pass us or just land around 22-25? There are some teams receiving votes who play very good opponents that if they pull the upset they could possibly pass us. We really needed to win by 24-30 for me to say that other results won't matter as much and we slot up for every team that loses in the 15-19 range. However, we could get passed by a couple other teams.appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:30 am15-20 range. Too many factors and we didn't exactly play our best against UAB
It won't be a bad thing if they win big. Their QB may decide to go pro or transfer to FSU with his coach. If that happened we would 100% be the preseason top G5 team in 2020. Rankings then won't matter week to week until November. All we have to do is win and look good and we will finish as highest ranked team next year if we enter the season as the preseason top G5 team.
I think I may have misunderstood this thread then.
I agree we probably won't be ranked in the top 20 in the preseason but I don't think anyone from G5 will be preseason top 20 is why I feel we could possibly be highest rated. I don't think we will be for sure though. If Memphis wins big and they don't lose anyone early to the NFL then they probably will be. The good news is they don't have a P5 game like we do. They play Purdue. We have Wake Forest and Wisconsin. Memphis will likely lose 1 game next year. If both are close in preseason and we go 13-0 while they go 12-1 or 11-2 we should then be ahead of them. We are very lucky we have 2 good P5s on schedule next year or else I would say we have no shot.
My thoughts exactly. Was the original post about the final AP poll after all the bowls, or the preseason rankings next year. I think as high as 15 to end this year and maybe back 23-unranked to start next year.
I had looked at that a while back and I agree. UCF lost a lot of key players and we don't so I could see 23-25 but it would not surprise me at all if we were 26-29 range. G5 teams don't get the same love in the preseason as they do in the postseason. The reality is that there are really 1-3 G5 teams who belong in the top 25 usually.ah59396 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:41 pmJust for some historical perspective:
2018 Final Rankings for G5 teams:
UCF - 11
Fresno State - 18
Army - 19
Utah State - 22
Boise State - 23
Cincy - 24
2019 Preseason AP Poll for G5 teams:
UCF - 17
We actually started with 5 votes this preseason after finishing right outside the top 25 last year.
If I had to guess we will start the preseason at 25 or receiving votes right outside.
Wins against Morgan State and Wake will push us clean into the top 25. Possibly top 20 for our matchup against Wisconsin. Oooo doggy.
I'd be shocked if Louisville was a preseason top 25, TBH.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:36 amI had looked at that a while back and I agree. UCF lost a lot of key players and we don't so I could see 23-25 but it would not surprise me at all if we were 26-29 range. G5 teams don't get the same love in the preseason as they do in the postseason. The reality is that there are really 1-3 G5 teams who belong in the top 25 usually.ah59396 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:41 pmJust for some historical perspective:
2018 Final Rankings for G5 teams:
UCF - 11
Fresno State - 18
Army - 19
Utah State - 22
Boise State - 23
Cincy - 24
2019 Preseason AP Poll for G5 teams:
UCF - 17
We actually started with 5 votes this preseason after finishing right outside the top 25 last year.
If I had to guess we will start the preseason at 25 or receiving votes right outside.
Wins against Morgan State and Wake will push us clean into the top 25. Possibly top 20 for our matchup against Wisconsin. Oooo doggy.
I'm not sure how many starters return for the following schools but if any of them return say 15 or more starters and win their bowl games they all will and should be ranked ahead of any G5 team in the preseason.
Texas A&M 7-5
Southern California 8-4
Kansas State 8-4
Virginia 9-4
Oklahoma State 8-4
Virginia Tech 8-4
Texas 7-5
Iowa State 7-5
Louisville 7-5
Wake Forest 8-4
Louisville should be a preseason top 25 team for sure but other than them I'm not entirely sure what all returns. Some of these schools will lost some players early to the NFL.
One player who announced he is coming back at Wake Forest in DE Carlos Basham is a big time returnee. He is a likely top 50 draft pick if he had decided to come out. There will be a lot of first round buzz on him in the preseason if he indeed decides to stay in school and doesn't change his mind late.
You touch on it a bit but the name brand plays as big of a role, if not bigger sometimes, than on field results do for getting ranked in the preseason. All it took was hype and the brand name for Nebraska to get ranked going into 2019 yet they ended up 5-7.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:36 am
I had looked at that a while back and I agree. UCF lost a lot of key players and we don't so I could see 23-25 but it would not surprise me at all if we were 26-29 range. G5 teams don't get the same love in the preseason as they do in the postseason. The reality is that there are really 1-3 G5 teams who belong in the top 25 usually.
I'm not sure how many starters return for the following schools but if any of them return say 15 or more starters and win their bowl games they all will and should be ranked ahead of any G5 team in the preseason.
Texas A&M 7-5
Southern California 8-4
Kansas State 8-4
Virginia 9-4
Oklahoma State 8-4
Virginia Tech 8-4
Texas 7-5
Iowa State 7-5
Louisville 7-5
Wake Forest 8-4
I remember in the Butch Davis years, Crapel Hill was ranked several times in the pre-season and they'd crap the bed within the first two games (usually the first) and out they'd go until the next pre-season rankings came out.
UCF sure got the shaft a couple of those years. Glad you guys paved the road for the rest of us! Thanks citro.citroknight wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:30 amYou touch on it a bit but the name brand plays as big of a role, if not bigger sometimes, than on field results do for getting ranked in the preseason. All it took was hype and the brand name for Nebraska to get ranked going into 2019 yet they ended up 5-7.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:36 am
I had looked at that a while back and I agree. UCF lost a lot of key players and we don't so I could see 23-25 but it would not surprise me at all if we were 26-29 range. G5 teams don't get the same love in the preseason as they do in the postseason. The reality is that there are really 1-3 G5 teams who belong in the top 25 usually.
I'm not sure how many starters return for the following schools but if any of them return say 15 or more starters and win their bowl games they all will and should be ranked ahead of any G5 team in the preseason.
Texas A&M 7-5
Southern California 8-4
Kansas State 8-4
Virginia 9-4
Oklahoma State 8-4
Virginia Tech 8-4
Texas 7-5
Iowa State 7-5
Louisville 7-5
Wake Forest 8-4
I have just a small sample from UCF's experience that shows they really put an emphasis on consistency and establishing your brand.
I'll add onto ah59396's example.
After the 2017 season UCF finished 6 in the AP poll. Here's how they looked going into 2018:
Positives: won the big game, star QB returning
Negatives: HC leaving with entire staff
2018 pre-season rank - 21
After the 2018 seasons UCF finished 11 in the AP poll. Going into 2019:
Positives: HC and staff returning, extended win streak before the bowl
Negatives: lost the big game, star QB injured and out for at least a year if not permanently
2019 pre-season rank - 17
So despite 2018 not being as magical as 2017 and Milton going down, just sticking around in the conversation helped UCF somehow start off the 2019 pre-season rankings better than 2018.
Which is a positive I hope you'll all take. Although I know the majority of you guys are rightfully pleased with the historic season App State had. But for those that feel like it was a missed opportunity, I'd consider it building up for the next opportunity.