So basically you just said in 2019 he had a lesser year because he was exposed as having a weakness that Stout was able to mask so you could not see it so much. Believe it or not though some NFL opinions on Fehr improved a little this year from 2018 because he looked a little bit faster. Players need to get better as the game goes on and not wear down. Luke moves better than Jordan and was a beast at the highest level.ericsaid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:23 pmI was shocked that AJ Howard, Tae Hayes, and Austin Exford all stuck in some capacity in the NFL.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:24 pmCan't really compare a 2nd team All-SBC LB to a guy who had over 500 tackles in his career when the ACC was completed loaded and not just a one team league: https://bceagles.com/sports/football/ro ... echly/1595ericsaid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:04 pmFehr is not quick twitch enough? Not many Inside Linebackers would be considered "quick twitch". Luke Kuechly, one of the athletic freaks of the NFL, wouldn't hardly be looked at as "quick twitch". He is quick and relentless because of the cerebral nature within which he plays the game. He's one of the few guys whose head lines up with his athletic abilities and the result is a future Hall of Famer (which he would be if he retired today). Fehr may not be a Day One starter in the league but he held up in a 3-4 defenses without a true nose tackle while making play after play against P5 teams he played against.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:26 pmYes Fehr is not quick twitch enough. I thought Gaither is 6'2 but I know the NFL estimated him at 6'1 1/4. He did not run at the junior pro day, which I wish he would have.appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:52 am
I've met and spoke to Gaither a dozen times, he is every bit of 6'2 and definitely hovering around that 205-210 range. I think he can put on another 10lbs or so. DiMarco is going to be the one to look out for, he has the frame to put on some good weight and he has some elite speed. I'll be interested to see his progression this year with an elevated role now that Fehr and Akeem are gone. Fehr is a large kid, but he has heavy feet and I just don't see him being able to run under a 4.5. I hope he does other things to impress a team. Josh Thomas should get a few looks, he gets lost sometimes.but has done enough over the last two seasons to show a nice mix of speed and strength at the safety position.
For next year, Sutton will be in the same spot as Gaither. He will start getting attention from NFL scouts early and should have a chance at the senior bowl. He is just shy of 6'3, has good size with potential to build more muscle, and can run a sub 4.4. His game speed has been proven and what always stands out to me is his ability to alude tackles/YAC yards, body control/balance, and route running. I honestly feel like he could be one of the better App players to ever play at the next level if he stays healthy. Hennigan has elite hands, perhaps some of the best I've seen since Fowlkes, but Henni has thick ankles and he won't test well in measurables. I hope he gets a camp and someone falls in love with his IQ and hands. Virg has a decent frame and has elite speed, he should get a look based on Pro Day numbers. His hips are a little too stiff to be a slot guy, which is where he would need to be to thrive in the NFL.
Jackson, Cobb, and Hampton are the 3 I have my eye on most but honestly all those guys are gonna be good. I do think Jackson and Hampton might be the two best for the NFL down the line though.
Josh Thomas will get looks. He should be a PFA as long as he tests well.
I'm with you on Sutton but people think he runs 4.50-4.55 range. His speed will be key but he too will be a draftable guy and Senior Bowl candidate.
I thought the same thing on Hennigan. Someone will sign him and he will have a good shot to make it because of his hands, toughness, and routes. He just isn't very fast in terms of deep speed and he isn't twitchy at all. He just makes catches and picks up yards though.
Virgil definitely has to get more oily in the hips. That speed alone though will get him looks with his size. I do wish he had the hands and route running of Hennigan. He would be special then. He has the one thing Hennigan does not have... blazing speed.
His sideline to sideline coverage against UAB, including one very specific play where the running back got the ball in space and Fehr was in between the hashes, he changed direction and was to the spot with the running back in no time, dragging him down for like a one yard gain, if I remember correctly.
Fehr's draft status will depend on multiple things, but lets assume he runs a 4.59 40, jumps out of the building, jumps the length of the field, and does well on the 225. He would probably be drafted alone based on that. Throw his film in the mix and things people are going to want to see is how he diagnoses plays pre-snap, how he fits run gaps, how he takes on blockers, and how quickly he makes the right coverage read when asked to drop. I noticed Fehr get washed out quite a bit in run fits but I think his role was to take on a blocker if they met him in order for another guy to fill the lane. He also got washed out late in games because he rarely came off the field.
As for the quick twitch I am talking more about quickness and smoothness. Fehr is a really good player but he misses a good bit of tackles and is not great in pass coverage. He certainly gets lost in traffic a good bit and gets washed down like you said. However, if he tests like you are assuming then yes he could get drafted in the 6th or 7th round.
I don't think he is getting a NFL Combine invite so his pro day is key. Josh Thomas and Fehr are two players who if they test really well and look good in position drills they could go in the 6th or 7th round for sure.
Assuming all of our guys test well it would not be shocking if Evans and ADG go in the 85-140 range and then Thomas and Fehr sneak in the 200-255 range. It would be amazing to see 4 drafted players but those indeed need a strong pro day workout.
However I can compare Kuechly to Fehr because what most people are stating about Fehr's testing scores would put him in elite company, even in the NFL, at the inside linebacker position. If he ran a sub-4.5 40 he would instantly be one of the fastest timed inside backers in the league right now, even ahead of Luke who by all objective measures is one of the most athletic linebackers playing today. If Fehr runs a sub-4.5, and teams like his film, he will shoot up draft boards. It's been stated multiple times that scouts have been watching him for two years now. They, along with coaches and GM's, are the ones who matter. If they've been watching for that long and his testing matches what is being stated, it will cement his status wherever those scouts already value him.
As for Fehr missing tackles, I only saw that happen later in games after he's been taking on offensive linemen all day long. He had a better year in 2018 when Myquon Stout was playing and could hold up two offensive linemen at a time, allowing Fehr to flow naturally to the ball. 2019 saw him take on more blockers and eventually that's going to take a toll on anyone; we saw the same thing with Kuechly when Poe went down.
Do I think that Fehr is Kuechly? Absolutely not. However both play in a 3-4 currently and Fehr is being projected here to test as well as Kuechly did in almost every category. Kuechly is the Peyton Manning of the linebacker fraternity in the NFL so it's unfair to measure any college prospect against what he did coming out of Boston College or since he has been in the pros. Generational talent to say the least. But we can compare physical attributes and that's all i'm doing.
As for the other players Exford was a really good athlete playing behind two good ones. I don't think he made a roster but I know Coach Mike was telling NFL teams about him his senior year to keep an eye because he looked the part, tests well, and would run good enough to warrant a look on special teams. He ran 4.48 with a 36 1/2 VJ, 10'5 broad jump, and measured 6'0, 206 pounds.
Howard surprised me a little bit just because he was not very good on defense but he ran a 4.51 40 with pretty good shuttle times and has okay size. When you are a good tester from a good FBS team who starts teams will often keep you around. I felt like Howard was only kept by Arizona because of App connection with Wilks but he has bounced around practice squads of some others.
I watched Hayes more closely later his senior year and he looked better than Duck. I fully expected, like most everyone here, that Duck would be liked more early on but when I saw the verified numbers and the late tape on Hayes I realized he had a shot. I think I even said on here before the draft that he would have a better shot at making a team.
