DoesntEvenGoHere wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:43 pm
Some of you need to take a break from the boards man. I just read every post in this thread. A lot of personal opinions being thrown around like it's fact. Lot of people hiding their opinions behind "anonymous sources". Feels like a lot of people's sources are their own 2 eyes, and what they see being said on these boards, twitter, or what they see at games.
One of the biggest flaws Jordan has is his injury history. Freak athlete though. He will perform well at his Pro-Day. Doubt it'll be enough to get him drafted. Fans always think their teams players are going to definitely get drafted.
appstatealum wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:05 pm
You are right. I'd be surprised if he runs a sub 4.5. He has some good lateral quickness, which would matter to me more, but I just don't see a sub 4.5.
I am a fairly big guy and I used to run track and could pull a sub 4.3 at my best. I was no where near as heavy in the legs and feet as Fehr, which would make it tough for him to put up that kind of speed. It's the same problem I see with Henni, who has great hands, but heavy feet. Race has nothing to do with it. But I am rooting hard for both of them, they are outstanding kids.
OK. BS.
Only like 20 people have posted sub 4.3 40 times in the last decade. That includes the fastest players in the NFL and people like Usain Bolt. You ran that fast...as a "fairly big guy". What, didn't like football enough to play? This is a prime example of people putting out info that can't be verified and claiming it as fact...
Fehr might not run a sub 4.5. He'll run a good time for his size & position though & ultimately that's all that matters. No one expecting a ILB to run 4.2's.
ericsaid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:56 am
If Fehr really runs a 4.4 his draft stock would go from Priority Free Agent to 3rd Round overnight. The 40 time, in conjunction with lateral agility drills and measurements is an accurate was to measure how most will translate athletically to the NFL. It doesn't apply to all but certainly covers a large majority of draft hopefuls.
Yeahhhh....no.
AppStFan1 wrote: ↑
Williams definitely is going to get looks. I know he is on their radar to watch this spring. Obviously, they notice young players when they stick out but for Cobb and the others they aren't going to be looking at them yet until they have a monster year.
NFL teams basically look at seniors only unless the school tells them the underclassmen may declare or they are putting up big numbers. Nick Hampton is one who people will obviously notice because of flashes but nobody is going to watch him closely before his senior year unless the coaches tell them to or he starts jumping out and dominating about every quarter. They noticed Sean Price as a freshman but he was the best player on the field and that's about what you have to do if you aren't a P5 guy.
I can assure you that is not factual. When a scout comes to App State he looks at every potential NFL (or CFL, if it's a CFL scout) prospect - regardless of year or class identification.
I'm with you on 40 times. Does anyone know the average 40 time for a starting LB? Any guesses? It is 4.7s. OLBs are faster and usually 4.6s but average starting ILBs were like 4.7s a couple years ago. Backup ILBs usually run 4.8s on average. Fehr is plenty fast enough but I don't think he plays like a 4.5 guy. Dexter Coakley ran 4.4s and Gaither is expected to run 4.5s. The 4.5s estimate is coming from NFL teams. My guess is he runs between 4.48-4.62 range, depending on his technique. It will be interesting to see. If Fehr runs 4.65-4.70 that is plenty fine and very good for a backup ILB.
As for Fehr, his injury history is going to be key but I did not bring it up in breaking down his game because he may pass medical tests fine. I just don't know and no team knows until he is poked and prodded by doctors.
I don't mean this to come off as being mean but you don't know any NFL scouts or you only know someone from the Rams. A couple of teams are assigned to write up all FBS draft eligible but I can assure you 100% fact that is not normal. I know the Rams are one of them and I think maybe the Patriots and Falcons do it but everyone else focuses on seniors and just the underclassmen who are expected to leave early. Unless the coaches give the name of an underclassmen to NFL teams they do not focus on them. I was given a list from a NFL scout of the players he watched and asked about when he came on campus. Here is that list: Akeem Davis-Gaither, Victor Johnson, Josh Thomas, Des Franklin, Jordan Fehr, Noel Cook, Collin Reed, and our coaches mentioned we had some grad transfers as wait and see types. NFL teams peaked at them but never added them to their list as potential prospects. Our coaches mentioned Evans was thinking of declaring and Sutton's name was thrown around as a player to watch. Most NFL teams do not care about a sophomore or junior who has no intention of coming out early. Why would you spend an hour on writing, and many hours of compiling information, on a player who will not be in the 2020 draft class this past fall? These teams have a lot of players to see and they can't waste time on our juniors who are not leaving early.
Most teams actually laugh at the Rams watching every player because as a scout told me "I'm just trying to get all the seniors right and I can't give them the proper time if I watch every draft eligible starter". It would make zero sense to sit there and watch Thomas Hennigan as closely as you are watching Gaither in 2019 because you know Hennigan is not coming out.