I got the feeling we would start hearing about a few as early as Monday based on some comments that were made to me. Like I mentioned before, there were a few names still up in the air and still some closed door conversations being made. I know for a fact that Clark and DG met on Friday to discuss some personnel.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:40 pmI agree we have to give it time. I am not going to pull against anyone. If Shawn brings them in I'll trust it and obviously believe DG and the rest of us have to give it a little time.
We are a program who is not in a rebuild. We should be a very attractive job for any coach because we have talent and that is the one thing every coach says they need in order to be a good coach. We are the most talented SBC team for 2020. We just have to prove it on the field again.
Do you guys have any indication on what day we should hear something on staff changes? Is it for sure going to be this week?
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Weren’t the circumstances different that time around?appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:04 pmI’d be surprised if we handed over the defense to a guy who failed at it at a lower level. We are a Top 20 team, we need to have a worthy candidate. I’m all for him being here as a position coach.
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Maybe. We can’t deny the leadership qualities and knowledge that Dale has, but that doesn’t always translate to a Coordinator or HC title. His perfect fit may just be the fine tuning stuff, which is what a positional coach is for. Clark is a sharp guy, I will trust his choice. For me, I would prefer we find a way to get BJM here.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:33 pmWeren’t the circumstances different that time around?appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:04 pmI’d be surprised if we handed over the defense to a guy who failed at it at a lower level. We are a Top 20 team, we need to have a worthy candidate. I’m all for him being here as a position coach.
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DJ has always been an enigma surrounded by mystery to me. Without any question, he's one of the most revered players in UT Vol history, but to my knowledge he's never been offered a coaching position at his Alma Mater; or he's been offered but has never accepted. That just seems extremely odd to me.
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Would Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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I like Ivey a lot (and Jones too) but what makes Ivey more qualified to be DC than Jones?
Not saying either should be DC, just curious about the differences
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I don’t think he is more qualified...
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Here we go...not even officially announced and the negativity starts. Its been several years since Jones’ last stint as DC. I am optimistic that he has gained experience and developed since then. I know as a fan base we are not going to tolerate mediocrity in any phase of the game, but can we give the man a chance before we start with all dem negative waves, Moriarty?AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:52 amLook I love Shawn Clark and I loved Jones as DL coach but if Jones is hired as DC and we take massive steps back I would want him demoted after a year if we are giving up 35-40+ per game. I want it to work out but just because I like them does not mean I will not want changes made whether it is reassigning someone or firing someone I like. Winning and building this program the right way is our top priority and Jones has to produce or we will be on him big time.
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Who says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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Who says we should change from the 3-4? Where have we been ranked defensively in the SBC since 2015?NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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Our skill set. We have been recruiting kids to run the 3-4. We dont have the personnel to run another scheme till we get 2-3 season of recruits that fit another scheme.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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Reasons: 1. Athlete recruiting may change 2. Other teams may adapt to it like they did the spread offense recently and the triple option back in my day.Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:10 pmWho says we should change from the 3-4? Where have we been ranked defensively in the SBC since 2015?NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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What? Why? It has been discussed ad nauseum here on this board about the type of players needed to run this defense. Now that our cupboards are full of these types of guys you think it's necessary to change our Defense? What base D would you recommend? Also with the expectations this team has going into next season why would that be the opportune time to shift defensive philosophy knowing that it takes at best one full season to transition defenses? Seems obtuse.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:18 pmReasons: 1. Athlete recruiting may change 2. Other teams may adapt to it like they did the spread offense recently and the triple option back in my day.Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:10 pmWho says we should change from the 3-4? Where have we been ranked defensively in the SBC since 2015?NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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"If it ain't broken..." Every Mountaineer player on the defensive side of the ball has been recruited to play in an "attacking 3-4 scheme" since Nate Woody's first year as DC. That's seven or so consecutive recruiting classes. You don't change something that's been so very successful on a whim.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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Seems the 4-3 worked pretty darn good overall this past season.NavyApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:25 pmWhat? Why? It has been discussed ad nauseum here on this board about the type of players needed to run this defense. Now that our cupboards are full of these types of guys you think it's necessary to change our Defense? What base D would you recommend? Also with the expectations this team has going into next season why would that be the opportune time to shift defensive philosophy knowing that it takes at best one full season to transition defenses? Seems obtuse.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:18 pmReasons: 1. Athlete recruiting may change 2. Other teams may adapt to it like they did the spread offense recently and the triple option back in my day.Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:10 pmWho says we should change from the 3-4? Where have we been ranked defensively in the SBC since 2015?NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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We did this year and it worked for the most part.asu66 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:30 pm"If it ain't broken..." Every Mountaineer player on the defensive side of the ball has been recruited to play in an "attacking 3-4 scheme" since Nate Woody's first year as DC. That's seven or so consecutive recruiting classes. You don't change something that's been so very successful on a whim.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:32 pmWho says we have to run the 3-4?Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:17 pmWould Ivey come back for less money to be DC? Who has Clark worked with in the past that knows 3-4 defense?
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Do you or anyone else here have the snap breakdown between 3-4/4-3 this past season? I just don't see the depth or size to run a 4-3 for extended periods. We have great edge speed players (like Hampton) who can also drop into coverage and guys like DT up front who thrive in a 3-4 formation. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I just don't see that as being successful for us with our current roster.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:36 pmSeems the 4-3 worked pretty darn good overall this past season.NavyApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:25 pmWhat? Why? It has been discussed ad nauseum here on this board about the type of players needed to run this defense. Now that our cupboards are full of these types of guys you think it's necessary to change our Defense? What base D would you recommend? Also with the expectations this team has going into next season why would that be the opportune time to shift defensive philosophy knowing that it takes at best one full season to transition defenses? Seems obtuse.NewApp wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:18 pmReasons: 1. Athlete recruiting may change 2. Other teams may adapt to it like they did the spread offense recently and the triple option back in my day.Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:10 pmWho says we should change from the 3-4? Where have we been ranked defensively in the SBC since 2015?
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Hell, why either when we have our DC on staff currently. Gas has better composure and more upside than both IMO. Freakin played in Woodys D, than coached under him for 80% of his career. Plus probably is hungry enough to evolve it as needed.Appstate88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:21 pmI don’t think he is more qualified...
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Hopefully we do! I'm ready to see who we have.appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:15 pmI got the feeling we would start hearing about a few as early as Monday based on some comments that were made to me. Like I mentioned before, there were a few names still up in the air and still some closed door conversations being made. I know for a fact that Clark and DG met on Friday to discuss some personnel.AppStFan1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:40 pmI agree we have to give it time. I am not going to pull against anyone. If Shawn brings them in I'll trust it and obviously believe DG and the rest of us have to give it a little time.
We are a program who is not in a rebuild. We should be a very attractive job for any coach because we have talent and that is the one thing every coach says they need in order to be a good coach. We are the most talented SBC team for 2020. We just have to prove it on the field again.
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