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Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:59 am
by WVAPPeer
I'm old - help me out - a friend asked me yesterday if college football still has the RUNNING Into The Kicker 5 yard penalty? - I can't remember - thanks
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:15 am
by moonshine
Yes running into the kicker is still around. Although the hit against the UNCC punter on Saturday wasn't that vicious, I believe it was called roughing since the punter had not landed and re-established position (kicking leg was still off the ground during contact) leaving him defenseless.
Watching some of the MU v EKU highlights, some of the Herd OL have a tendency to get downfield, past the 3 yard buffer, on passing plays, specifically the RPO's. Something to watch for this Saturday and hopefully something Clark asks the officials to keep an eye on prior to kickoff.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:17 am
by Yosef84
moonshine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:15 am
Yes running into the kicker is still around. Although the hit against the UNCC punter on Saturday wasn't that vicious, I believe it was called roughing since the punter had not landed and re-established position (kicking leg was still off the ground during contact) leaving him defenseless.
Watching some of the MU v EKU highlights, some of the Herd OL have a tendency to get downfield, past the 3 yard buffer, on passing plays, specifically the RPO's. Something to watch for this Saturday and hopefully something Clark asks the officials to keep an eye on prior to kickoff.
I wish I could disagree but I have to agree that this was a valid roughly the kicker call.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:21 am
by moonshine
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:17 am
I wish I could disagree but I have to agree that this was a valid roughly the kicker call.
Yea at game speed, my initial reaction was running into the kicker because the contact was ticky-tack but when they showed the replay, the punter's leg was still not down leaving him vulnerable.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:23 am
by mountaineerman
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:17 am
moonshine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:15 am
Yes running into the kicker is still around. Although the hit against the UNCC punter on Saturday wasn't that vicious, I believe it was called roughing since the punter had not landed and re-established position (kicking leg was still off the ground during contact) leaving him defenseless.
Watching some of the MU v EKU highlights, some of the Herd OL have a tendency to get downfield, past the 3 yard buffer, on passing plays, specifically the RPO's. Something to watch for this Saturday and hopefully something Clark asks the officials to keep an eye on prior to kickoff.
I wish I could disagree but I have to agree that this was a valid roughly the kicker call.
Isn’t it a judgment call on the official running into vs personal foul? If so I believe this could have been called as running into the kicker .
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:31 am
by WVAPPeer
Thanks guys - yes, I agree that the one Sat was roughing - sometimes the college rules and pro rules run together in my overloaded mind -
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 am
by Rekdiver
I' still miffed about the two no calls on hits on peoples...............
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:45 am
by moonshine
mountaineerman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:23 am
Isn’t it a judgment call on the official running into vs personal foul? If so I believe this could have been called as running into the kicker .
I would agree if the punter had landed and both feet were back on the ground as there was not a lot of contact but the D/receiving team has to allow the punter room to land and re-establish to no longer be considered defenseless. .
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:28 pm
by NavyApp
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 am
I' still miffed about the two no calls on hits on peoples...............
The one in the end zone was mind blowing that they didn't call it. Such a cheap shot, but what do you expect from them? Remember we are the classless ones and they are the noble victims....
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:42 pm
by TomA415
mountaineerman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:23 am
Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:17 am
moonshine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:15 am
Yes running into the kicker is still around. Although the hit against the UNCC punter on Saturday wasn't that vicious, I believe it was called roughing since the punter had not landed and re-established position (kicking leg was still off the ground during contact) leaving him defenseless.
Watching some of the MU v EKU highlights, some of the Herd OL have a tendency to get downfield, past the 3 yard buffer, on passing plays, specifically the RPO's. Something to watch for this Saturday and hopefully something Clark asks the officials to keep an eye on prior to kickoff.
I wish I could disagree but I have to agree that this was a valid roughly the kicker call.
Isn’t it a judgment call on the official running into vs personal foul? If so I believe this could have been called as running into the kicker .
It’s a judgement call but this one wasn’t hard.
Hadn’t landed, defender was in the area where he was supposed to land. Sure the hit wasn’t massive, but that’s a textbook 15 yarder.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:48 pm
by Stonewall
Mental error .One of many.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:42 pm
by ASU3432Mi
NavyApp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:28 pm
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 am
I' still miffed about the two no calls on hits on peoples...............
The one in the end zone was mind blowing that they didn't call it. Such a cheap shot, but what do you expect from them? Remember we are the classless ones and they are the noble victims....
Plus it looked like a blow to the head. My wife and I reran it a couple of times. No way that is a no call.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:15 pm
by AppStateMtneer
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 am
I' still miffed about the two no calls on hits on peoples...............
Refs just don't like you if your name is Cam
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:01 pm
by moonshine
I know offensive players are allowed to "push the pile". Is it legal for an OL player to "pull the pile" from behind or is that considered holding?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ37M6KUCXQ
Start around the 2:50 mark, #79 pulls on #53 from behind resulting in a TD.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:07 pm
by McLeansvilleAppFan
Push or pull one is
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:08 pm
by McLeansvilleAppFan
Push or pull, one is applying a force. But there is this comment
https://daallen.wordpress.com/2014/12/0 ... l-carrier/
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:16 pm
by moonshine
Appreciate the response but the example you provided has to do with pushing/pulling the ball carrier and not the defensive player. It seems to me that "pulling" on a defensive player, especially from behind, would be considered holding in this instance.
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm
by McLeansvilleAppFan
moonshine wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:16 pm
Appreciate the response but the example you provided has to do with pushing/pulling the ball carrier and not the defensive player. It seems to me that "pulling" on a defensive player, especially from behind, would be considered holding in this instance.
I agree it would be holding or something. A few years ago I saw a clip of an NFL referee and his comment on the flag was that the player getting the penalty "was giving the business" to the other player. I took it to mean there was a fist flying in the pile of the tackle or an extra kick. Maybe pulling on a defensive player was the referee's view of "given the business."
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:07 pm
by WVAPPeer
Ha - actually that was an ACC game and the penalty was on a DL who was "given the business" to a QB he had roughed -
As for pushing and pulling - I believe it is now legal to push your RB from behind but a penalty for pulling your RB forward -
Re: Penalty in College ball
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:10 pm
by moonshine
WVAPPeer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Ha - actually that was an ACC game and the penalty was on a DL who was "given the business" to a QB he had roughed -
As for pushing and pulling - I believe it is now legal to push your RB from behind but a penalty for pulling your RB forward -
To your knowledge, is it a penalty if the offensive player is pulling on a defender making the tackle, per the example above?