Yosef Parking - Looks like inflation has hit

[hapapp]

My understanding is that the seat donation only kicks in when it collectively is more than what you are donating to Yosef. At least, the examples they are giving seem to suggest that.

"Jack Mountaineer has typically parked in Duncan and has 4 seats in section 204. He currently donates $1,750. In 2022, he will need to donate $2,000 to continue his parking. In 2023, his seats will require an additional $400 per seat, but since he is already donating more than $1,600, he will not be required to donate more."

The immediate hit for 2022 is the increase in parking location.

[AppDawg]

What pisses me off is we have deigned another atmosphere that punishes a family.

It is great for the group of individual drunks and retirees (a couple). To HELL with anyone that values a family event.

If I haven’t been clear it more than pisses me off.

I am sure I will pay up for my wife and I but I will probably go back to single tickets and espn+. I can invite the whole neighborhood over and grill steaks and set up a big screen and watch espn+.

Our competition are not ecu, UFC’s. Our competition is anyone going after my entertainment dollar.

I get your frustration, but i honestly don't get your point. ESPN+ was always cheaper.

If we have approximately 9000 season ticket holders and approximately 9000 student tickets are sold, that leaves 8000-10000 walkup tickets. The biggest group of fans at the games were always walk ups who aren't really impacted by this (unless my numbers are way off).

I will try to make the point easier to understand. This a a HUGE increase on a family. I have to join my 14, 16, 21, and 23 year old. So my $500 YosefClub donation goes $2400 to buy 6 tickets. Close to 500% increase.

This example would seem to suggest not:

Betty Boone has 4 seats in section 113 and donates $500. She has parked in Rivers St Deck. In 2022, she will need to donate $650 to keep her parking. In 2023, her seats will be $175 per seat, she will need to donate an additional $50, for a total of $700, to keep her parking and seats.

It seems that you would need to increase your donation by $400, if like the example above you have to go to $650 to keep your parking if you are in somewhere like Rivers Street Deck.

I believe SpaceMonkey’s point is he loses his current seats. In the 204, his donation is required to be $2,400… thus from his perspective he is being “kicked-out” of his long time location, which I totally understand.

[appgrad95&97]

What pisses me off is we have deigned another atmosphere that punishes a family.

It is great for the group of individual drunks and retirees (a couple). To HELL with anyone that values a family event.

If I haven’t been clear it more than pisses me off.

I am sure I will pay up for my wife and I but I will probably go back to single tickets and espn+. I can invite the whole neighborhood over and grill steaks and set up a big screen and watch espn+.

Our competition are not ecu, UFC’s. Our competition is anyone going after my entertainment dollar.

I get your frustration, but i honestly don't get your point. ESPN+ was always cheaper.

If we have approximately 9000 season ticket holders and approximately 9000 student tickets are sold, that leaves 8000-10000 walkup tickets. The biggest group of fans at the games were always walk ups who aren't really impacted by this (unless my numbers are way off).

I will try to make the point easier to understand. This a a HUGE increase on a family. I have to join my 14, 16, 21, and 23 year old. So my $500 YosefClub donation goes $2400 to buy 6 tickets. Close to 500% increase.

This example would seem to suggest not:

Betty Boone has 4 seats in section 113 and donates $500. She has parked in Rivers St Deck. In 2022, she will need to donate $650 to keep her parking. In 2023, her seats will be $175 per seat, she will need to donate an additional $50, for a total of $700, to keep her parking and seats.

It seems that you would need to increase your donation by $400, if like the example above you have to go to $650 to keep your parking if you are in somewhere like Rivers Street Deck.

I believe SpaceMonkey’s point is he loses his current seats. In the 204, his donation is required to be $2,400… thus from his perspective he is being “kicked-out” of his long time location, which I totally understand.

I get that. But how many seats in 204 should a $500 donation guarantee someone.

[TheMoody1]

I know this new system is going to cost most everyone more money, but computing the donation amounts on a per seat basis seems to be the fairest way.

The old system is sort of like my company sponsored health care plan. Whether you have one child or six the cost is the same. As someone who has one child, I never thought that was fair.

[AppDawg]

I get your frustration, but i honestly don't get your point. ESPN+ was always cheaper.

If we have approximately 9000 season ticket holders and approximately 9000 student tickets are sold, that leaves 8000-10000 walkup tickets. The biggest group of fans at the games were always walk ups who aren't really impacted by this (unless my numbers are way off).

I will try to make the point easier to understand. This a a HUGE increase on a family. I have to join my 14, 16, 21, and 23 year old. So my $500 YosefClub donation goes $2400 to buy 6 tickets. Close to 500% increase.

This example would seem to suggest not:

Betty Boone has 4 seats in section 113 and donates $500. She has parked in Rivers St Deck. In 2022, she will need to donate $650 to keep her parking. In 2023, her seats will be $175 per seat, she will need to donate an additional $50, for a total of $700, to keep her parking and seats.

It seems that you would need to increase your donation by $400, if like the example above you have to go to $650 to keep your parking if you are in somewhere like Rivers Street Deck.

I believe SpaceMonkey’s point is he loses his current seats. In the 204, his donation is required to be $2,400… thus from his perspective he is being “kicked-out” of his long time location, which I totally understand.

I get that. But how many seats in 204 should a $500 donation guarantee someone.

Being a ticket holder in 204, I have always thought $500 was too low, especially after moving to FBS. $1,000 has always been what I had in mind. Anything above 4 or 6 tickets (either or) anything requires additional contribution. I think I recall something like that already being in place, maybe it is in excess of 6 tickets that additional contribution is required but don’t know specifics.

Brainstorm: since we know all seats sold are not season tickets and always a number of walk-up tickets available….Perhaps, we can start requiring a Yosef donation for single ticket sales? Many years ago when I bought a single ticket to one of our Basketball games at Davidson, Directly from them, it had a $5 or $10 surcharge for their athletics club. Easy way to get attendee’s contact info to grow donation base. I got solicitations for years from them, until I finally took time to “unsubscribe”.

[AppStateNews]

I don't think the vocal people about the changes necessarily disagree it needed to be done. The problem is it was done overnight. No warning, no ability to plan, etc. Had I known a per seat donation was coming in the next couple of years, I could have budgeted a little more to cover the costs.

Most people don't have an extra $2000 just laying around.

[J_Mountaineers]

So much whining in this thread. The tickets remain a bargain compared to most schools and you’re seeing a high end product. Nobody wants to pay “more” for anything but the bottom line is: app is not equipped to continue to compete at the level it has without more financial support across the board.

[Pisgahman1]

Point to note spacemonkey,retired people have families also!

[Blackshirt68]

Those boys must have worked in billing for the phone company.

[Rekdiver]

When people start throwing up other school’s clubs and amenities do you really not see the difference in local population bases, industries, and available financial resources? Do you not recognize the restraints on parking due to lack of land and poor government support? That we are only 40 years or so of significant degrees other than teaching?
Now sure there are things I might try to garner bigger donors, but if you think the continued quest for inexpensive enjoyment of App sports is going to reappear you are mistaken and it’s about time.

[AppSt94]

I know this new system is going to cost most everyone more money, but computing the donation amounts on a per seat basis seems to be the fairest way.

The old system is sort of like my company sponsored health care plan. Whether you have one child or six the cost is the same. As someone who has one child, I never thought that was fair.

That is an excellent correlation.

[AppSt94]

I don't think the vocal people about the changes necessarily disagree it needed to be done. The problem is it was done overnight. No warning, no ability to plan, etc. Had I known a per seat donation was coming in the next couple of years, I could have budgeted a little more to cover the costs.

Most people don't have an extra $2000 just laying around.

But it was communicated with some advance notice. The seats increase doesn’t lock in until next year, 2023.

[Mjohn1988]

On the topic of communication, I only found out when I got my revised parking hangers in the mail last year that I had been kicked out of the spot I had for about 10 years. I was never even given a chance to increase my giving level to maintain the spot. To be fair I called Doug with the Yosef club and we came up with an acceptable remedy but it wasn’t a good situation.

[AppStateMtneer]

What a complete bummer… 2022 looks to be the last year I’m a YC member and season ticket holder

[AppSt94]

What a complete bummer… 2022 looks to be the last year I’m a YC member and season ticket holder

Sorry that hear that.

[AppStateNews]

I don't think the vocal people about the changes necessarily disagree it needed to be done. The problem is it was done overnight. No warning, no ability to plan, etc. Had I known a per seat donation was coming in the next couple of years, I could have budgeted a little more to cover the costs.

Most people don't have an extra $2000 just laying around.

But it was communicated with some advance notice. The seats increase doesn’t lock in until next year, 2023.

Correct. But it's a 100% price increase one year away. Weddings, family vacations, etc are planned by most more than 10 months in advanced.

Had they done a tiered increased with detailed notifications, it would have been better. 10% this year, 20% next, etc. Again, Gillin agreed with this. But, he's hired folks to take this over and has let them handle it.

Gillin understands the displeasure with the sudden change. He's done a great job explaining it and the reasoning. He doesn't agree with it either but knows it's what needs to happen.

[AppStFan1]

429 people at the $250-$499 level.

Full graphic here:

The crazy thing is even with the increases it won't do much good if the YC numbers stay the same or drop. What we need most is another 1,500 added to the numbers on that chart. I just hope we don't lose some folks who are mad over the price increases. My fear is that some will drop off from being YC member and season ticket holder. If enough do then the increase will just equal about the same. We must see a massive increase in YC members and see them all continue to be for us to make the money we need.

[AppStFan1]

I don't think the vocal people about the changes necessarily disagree it needed to be done. The problem is it was done overnight. No warning, no ability to plan, etc. Had I known a per seat donation was coming in the next couple of years, I could have budgeted a little more to cover the costs.

Most people don't have an extra $2000 just laying around.

But it was communicated with some advance notice. The seats increase doesn’t lock in until next year, 2023.

Correct. But it's a 100% price increase one year away. Weddings, family vacations, etc are planned by most more than 10 months in advanced.

Had they done a tiered increased with detailed notifications, it would have been better. 10% this year, 20% next, etc. Again, Gillin agreed with this. But, he's hired folks to take this over and has let them handle it.

Gillin understands the displeasure with the sudden change. He's done a great job explaining it and the reasoning. He doesn't agree with it either but knows it's what needs to happen.

How much more revenue do we need to bring in the money to prevent P5s from poaching our coaches and increase the recruiting budget enough to widen our scope? I was thinking we would need another 4M to really make a huge difference. Is that number high or could 2-3M actually do it?

One thing to keep an eye on is that we expect to be in SBC title game every year already so raising prices a lot would likely raise the expectations even more. I am personally not against it because I know we need it but I'm just thinking we will have a lot of fans who see higher prices and might even give less if we don't put up 11 or more wins every year.

[BambooRdApp]

"Gillon agreed with this. But, he's hired folks to take this over and has let them handle it."

Maybe or maybe not the intention..if someone is saying it is out of DG:s hands, I disagree with that conclusion. People hire consultants and/or outsource ideas all the time. However, the CEO owns it and agrees and says go ahead or the CEO disagrees and elects to not take a different direction. Although painful, I fully support having increases. We have been paying matinee prices for a primetime show. With that said, DG owns it and he has final day at end of the day. I am glad he ultimately elected this course. This is why we hired him in this position....ie making the unpopular decision for the betterment of the overall program long-term.

[postalapp90]

I think most would agree that what we received for what we gave was a very good deal especially those who bought 4+ season tickets but unless i missed it we never sold out season tickets. If we couldnt do that at the previous giving level we damn sure are not at the new level. I expect lots of people with multiple tickets will no longer purchase them especially those with children so i see membership as a whole going down. We may increase revenue but i dont think it will be at the level they are expecting. Frankly the first two or three home games are attended by alot of people enjoying the fall weather but i doubt those people return after it turns cooler so they arent buying season tickets. Then you have those who cant attend weeknight games due to work kids etc. and just give those tickets to friends family etc but now those tickets on a per game basis are a lot more expensive. I think alot of these people will simply purchase single game tickets. Total disclosure I have two season tickets and i give enough that the 2023 levels plus my preferred parking is basically the same amount i pay now.