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No legit coaches would promise a guy that he would start before he even puts pads on at the school- of course some do. He got some pretty good offers of those are correct. Already has that mountain look! Hope he can contribute.appgrad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:37 amDoing a little research - Williams was also offered by Illinois while in the portal, and has 2 years left to play.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 amFor me, I would remove the FCS level part of your comment. I don’t want to insinuate if that was a dig, so I’ll leave it alone. He played tackle at AP so he has decent reach and footwork. Is it good enough at this level? It may not be but he has the skills that he may be able to overcome it. Now if he is like Helms, he may be hard to keep off the field. Helms is a nice kid if you talk with him, but pardon my language, but he is one nasty MoFo when it comes to playing and training.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:03 amThat's how I read this also. My gut feel is that we don't bring in a 280 lb FCS OL as an expected starter, but he could be a solid contributor in the rotation. Depth is extremely important. We have a lot of young talent (on paper) for the OL so this gives us another option with experience.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:57 amI suppose he could. He has experience starting. But if he does, I wouldn’t read much into it. As I explained to a friend the other day, getting a guy from the portal, regardless of position, isn’t necessarily an indictment on the guys currently on the roster. You need depth. As important as it is for a two to step in for a one, you need a three that is capable of stepping up to be a two. Right now, across the OL, we have 4 guys that can play tackle, five guys that can play guard and three guys that can play center. They all aren’t plug and play, but all could play if called upon.
Fun fact. The Williams kid’s daddy played at Southern.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/ ... 0remaining.
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Williams also holds FBS offers from Duke, Western Kentucky, Bowling Green, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Marshall, Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Buffalo, Appalachian State, James Madison and Old Dominion.
Did they promise him he could start? Of course not! But - he was all-conference last year...so I doubt he's coming here with the intention of providing depth. Always good to have a competitive group pushing each other!
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Yeah - I just wante to point out that we shouldn't let where he came from be an indicator of his talent. It looks like a lot of schools wanted him, so I'm hopeful it means he is going to be a solid addition to the unit!
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Definitely looks the part...and Boone is huge upgrade from Clarksville...and not much farther from his hometown!bigdaddyg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:47 amNo legit coaches would promise a guy that he would start before he even puts pads on at the school- of course some do. He got some pretty good offers of those are correct. Already has that mountain look! Hope he can contribute.appgrad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:37 amDoing a little research - Williams was also offered by Illinois while in the portal, and has 2 years left to play.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 amFor me, I would remove the FCS level part of your comment. I don’t want to insinuate if that was a dig, so I’ll leave it alone. He played tackle at AP so he has decent reach and footwork. Is it good enough at this level? It may not be but he has the skills that he may be able to overcome it. Now if he is like Helms, he may be hard to keep off the field. Helms is a nice kid if you talk with him, but pardon my language, but he is one nasty MoFo when it comes to playing and training.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:03 amThat's how I read this also. My gut feel is that we don't bring in a 280 lb FCS OL as an expected starter, but he could be a solid contributor in the rotation. Depth is extremely important. We have a lot of young talent (on paper) for the OL so this gives us another option with experience.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:57 am
I suppose he could. He has experience starting. But if he does, I wouldn’t read much into it. As I explained to a friend the other day, getting a guy from the portal, regardless of position, isn’t necessarily an indictment on the guys currently on the roster. You need depth. As important as it is for a two to step in for a one, you need a three that is capable of stepping up to be a two. Right now, across the OL, we have 4 guys that can play tackle, five guys that can play guard and three guys that can play center. They all aren’t plug and play, but all could play if called upon.
Fun fact. The Williams kid’s daddy played at Southern.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/ ... 0remaining.
Also from that article:
Williams also holds FBS offers from Duke, Western Kentucky, Bowling Green, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Marshall, Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Buffalo, Appalachian State, James Madison and Old Dominion.
Did they promise him he could start? Of course not! But - he was all-conference last year...so I doubt he's coming here with the intention of providing depth. Always good to have a competitive group pushing each other!
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I'm pretty sure the Illinois offer was legit and he chose to come here instead. No guarantees what he produces here but I think this is a good pick up.
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What you get from a portal guy that played at G5/FCS level is more evidence of their in-game performance at a higher level than high school level. I am sure coaches factor that in and they can see what they really did at some college level.
On the high-P5 team but down the depth chart situations, if coaches like their intangibles, what you know was they practiced against the better players even if it is not in real games. So they have been able to sharpen their skills beyond high school while practicing against good players. There is value there.
On the high-P5 team but down the depth chart situations, if coaches like their intangibles, what you know was they practiced against the better players even if it is not in real games. So they have been able to sharpen their skills beyond high school while practicing against good players. There is value there.
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You hope that is true for guys transferring down. The assumption being that they had good coaching at their disposal. But the question becomes did they take advantage of it? Game film is easy to get ahold of. Practice tape, not so much. I’m not saying that a kid transferring down is a red flag in every instance. Just that you have to factor a lot more unknowns into the equation.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:40 amWhat you get from a portal guy that played at G5/FCS level is more evidence of their in-game performance at a higher level than high school level. I am sure coaches factor that in and they can see what they really did at some college level.
On the high-P5 team but down the depth chart situations, if coaches like their intangibles, what you know was they practiced against the better players even if it is not in real games. So they have been able to sharpen their skills beyond high school while practicing against good players. There is value there.
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If two staffs are close though they could easily share the film, especially if they don't play each other. I wonder how often that happens though? It is not hard at all to upload and zip a video file or use Dropbox if you want to give another staff a look at the video.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:45 amYou hope that is true for guys transferring down. The assumption being that they had good coaching at their disposal. But the question becomes did they take advantage of it? Game film is easy to get ahold of. Practice tape, not so much. I’m not saying that a kid transferring down is a red flag in every instance. Just that you have to factor a lot more unknowns into the equation.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:40 amWhat you get from a portal guy that played at G5/FCS level is more evidence of their in-game performance at a higher level than high school level. I am sure coaches factor that in and they can see what they really did at some college level.
On the high-P5 team but down the depth chart situations, if coaches like their intangibles, what you know was they practiced against the better players even if it is not in real games. So they have been able to sharpen their skills beyond high school while practicing against good players. There is value there.
And that assumption is that the coaching was good because there are definitely good coaches and bad coaches or at least cases where some staffs are way better than another one.
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Would you rather have a guy that starts at the G5/FCS level or rides the bench at the P5 level?
I'd go 75%+ known with some unknowns with upside (but no baggage in either case).
I'd go 75%+ known with some unknowns with upside (but no baggage in either case).
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If you are in the portal, you are filling a need. So the fewer unknowns for me, the better.
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We had a few come in who rode the pine at big P5’s. They didn’t exactly unseat anyone in front of them. I would say that a consistent starter at a solid G5 or even a really good FCS is as good as many P5 reserve players.
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One of the best OL in the OVC for sure and in the spring he was an AFCA All-American as well. I would imagine he is a guard as well.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:45 amI think that he was an All-Conference at tackle. He wasn’t brought in to play tackle here. Could he? Certainly. If he were to win the spot at one of the guard spots, that really helps our depth. He also has experience at Center and our current 1 and 2 at Center don’t have a lot of experience. So he allows you to either move Helms to Center and play guard or he can play Center. He provides a lot of options along the line.appgrad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:37 amDoing a little research - Williams was also offered by Illinois while in the portal, and has 2 years left to play.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 amFor me, I would remove the FCS level part of your comment. I don’t want to insinuate if that was a dig, so I’ll leave it alone. He played tackle at AP so he has decent reach and footwork. Is it good enough at this level? It may not be but he has the skills that he may be able to overcome it. Now if he is like Helms, he may be hard to keep off the field. Helms is a nice kid if you talk with him, but pardon my language, but he is one nasty MoFo when it comes to playing and training.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:03 amThat's how I read this also. My gut feel is that we don't bring in a 280 lb FCS OL as an expected starter, but he could be a solid contributor in the rotation. Depth is extremely important. We have a lot of young talent (on paper) for the OL so this gives us another option with experience.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:57 am
I suppose he could. He has experience starting. But if he does, I wouldn’t read much into it. As I explained to a friend the other day, getting a guy from the portal, regardless of position, isn’t necessarily an indictment on the guys currently on the roster. You need depth. As important as it is for a two to step in for a one, you need a three that is capable of stepping up to be a two. Right now, across the OL, we have 4 guys that can play tackle, five guys that can play guard and three guys that can play center. They all aren’t plug and play, but all could play if called upon.
Fun fact. The Williams kid’s daddy played at Southern.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/ ... 0remaining.
Also from that article:
Williams also holds FBS offers from Duke, Western Kentucky, Bowling Green, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Marshall, Arkansas State, Coastal Carolina, Buffalo, Appalachian State, James Madison and Old Dominion.
Did they promise him he could start? Of course not! But - he was all-conference last year...so I doubt he's coming here with the intention of providing depth. Always good to have a competitive group pushing each other!
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It wasn't intended as a dig at all. I have no disrespect for FCS and there are players there who could certainly contribute to App at many positions. It was just a generalized comment regarding the competition level. I hope every single guy that App signs competes and does well. I guess I am remembering that class of big OL a couple of years ago and hoping that they turn out to be the real deal, so my thinking is depth and anything above that is a bonus.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 amFor me, I would remove the FCS level part of your comment. I don’t want to insinuate if that was a dig, so I’ll leave it alone. He played tackle at AP so he has decent reach and footwork. Is it good enough at this level? It may not be but he has the skills that he may be able to overcome it. Now if he is like Helms, he may be hard to keep off the field. Helms is a nice kid if you talk with him, but pardon my language, but he is one nasty MoFo when it comes to playing and training.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:03 amThat's how I read this also. My gut feel is that we don't bring in a 280 lb FCS OL as an expected starter, but he could be a solid contributor in the rotation. Depth is extremely important. We have a lot of young talent (on paper) for the OL so this gives us another option with experience.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:57 amI suppose he could. He has experience starting. But if he does, I wouldn’t read much into it. As I explained to a friend the other day, getting a guy from the portal, regardless of position, isn’t necessarily an indictment on the guys currently on the roster. You need depth. As important as it is for a two to step in for a one, you need a three that is capable of stepping up to be a two. Right now, across the OL, we have 4 guys that can play tackle, five guys that can play guard and three guys that can play center. They all aren’t plug and play, but all could play if called upon.
Fun fact. The Williams kid’s daddy played at Southern.
I hope he is a nasty OL....love having those on the field.
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Seems like there are so many variables that come into play. A kid is considered a bit undersized for a P5 so he goes FCS or G5. Gets on campus and grows an inch or 2 and packs on some muscle. He takes off and now figures he’s P5 or better G5 material and transfers. Either the gamble pays off or it doesn’t. Same kid is already big and strong/fast, etc in high school and gets lots of offers. Realistically he is G5 material (whatever that really is) but is lured by the P5 offer from a middling program. Goes there and sits the bench or barely plays. Now he sees the light and reaches out to the G5. Transfers “down” so to speak and again, it works out or it doesn’t. Other than the QB’s who move all over the country are there lots of transfer stories that went well? By that I mean did a lot of guys sit the bench, transfer and become starters and ultimately stars and then maybe went pro?
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I think that it will be more to you comment of a bonus. The last two classes of OL are in line for some playing time this year. There has been some attrition to that group, but the guys that are left are developing. They just need reps. Bringing in a mature guy with quality reps and quality talent will help the overall maturation process.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:58 amIt wasn't intended as a dig at all. I have no disrespect for FCS and there are players there who could certainly contribute to App at many positions. It was just a generalized comment regarding the competition level. I hope every single guy that App signs competes and does well. I guess I am remembering that class of big OL a couple of years ago and hoping that they turn out to be the real deal, so my thinking is depth and anything above that is a bonus.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:11 amFor me, I would remove the FCS level part of your comment. I don’t want to insinuate if that was a dig, so I’ll leave it alone. He played tackle at AP so he has decent reach and footwork. Is it good enough at this level? It may not be but he has the skills that he may be able to overcome it. Now if he is like Helms, he may be hard to keep off the field. Helms is a nice kid if you talk with him, but pardon my language, but he is one nasty MoFo when it comes to playing and training.Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:03 amThat's how I read this also. My gut feel is that we don't bring in a 280 lb FCS OL as an expected starter, but he could be a solid contributor in the rotation. Depth is extremely important. We have a lot of young talent (on paper) for the OL so this gives us another option with experience.AppSt94 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:57 amI suppose he could. He has experience starting. But if he does, I wouldn’t read much into it. As I explained to a friend the other day, getting a guy from the portal, regardless of position, isn’t necessarily an indictment on the guys currently on the roster. You need depth. As important as it is for a two to step in for a one, you need a three that is capable of stepping up to be a two. Right now, across the OL, we have 4 guys that can play tackle, five guys that can play guard and three guys that can play center. They all aren’t plug and play, but all could play if called upon.
Fun fact. The Williams kid’s daddy played at Southern.
I hope he is a nasty OL....love having those on the field.
I would also add that having talked to a few different parents of OL players, Helms isn’t allowing any of them to take a moment off from getting better. Kid is a leader.
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Definitely could be a center. The only reason I said guard is because he started at LG and LT in 2021 and I figured he is not a tackle with the fact we have the best returning OT duo in the Sun Belt. It will be interesting to see if he is our top backup or somehow beats out Daley or Everett.
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The intangible for the kid "moving up" is that maybe he feels he got snubbed out of HS and went FCS/lower G5 and now is determined to prove everybody wrong. That can make for some extra motivation vs the kid who went P5 out of HS and is now "moving down" or settling for less than he thinks he deserves.
Obviously our coaches are looking for situations and trying to navigate appropriately.
Obviously our coaches are looking for situations and trying to navigate appropriately.