EXPANDING STADIUM TO 40k CAPACITY

[BeauFoster]

I say we build a one way chair lift down from Broyhill and Greenwood lots but not back up. People will need to burn some calories after all those burgers and beers.

Or a one-way zipline.

It would be environmently friendly too

Give me a bag of Taco Bell and I can make a one way zip line a two way zip line

[AppStateNews]

Then why start the project in twoish years?

Because there are other priorities right now that need to be completed ahead of time.

The university doesn't do projects one at a time? If there was money secured for the East side, it wouldn't matter what else was going on. We did Hickory, the renovation of Sanford Hall, and 105 all at once. I TRULY believe the East side project will happen. But the idea that a STATE university could hide 50 or so million dollars is ridiculous. All we've seen are artists renderings. Are there actually engineering plans, the kind of thing you could take bids on? Is there an actual budget for the project? If not how can there be more than a plan to secure funding? "Funding secured" makes it sound like the money is there now. That is the only point I have tried to make.

They have confirmation of funds ready to go when it becomes time to build.

You don't have to believe it. It won't make me lose sleep.

Are we talking cash on hand or loans preapproved.

Technically, neither.

[311neers]

I say we build a one way chair lift down from Broyhill and Greenwood lots but not back up. People will need to burn some calories after all those burgers and beers.

Or a one-way zipline.

It would be environmently friendly too

Give me a bag of Taco Bell and I can make a one way zip line a two way zip line

Was this also a shot at UTjr? Bag of money in a Chick-Fil-A/McDonald's bag? If so, brilliant.

[bcoach]

Because there are other priorities right now that need to be completed ahead of time.

The university doesn't do projects one at a time? If there was money secured for the East side, it wouldn't matter what else was going on. We did Hickory, the renovation of Sanford Hall, and 105 all at once. I TRULY believe the East side project will happen. But the idea that a STATE university could hide 50 or so million dollars is ridiculous. All we've seen are artists renderings. Are there actually engineering plans, the kind of thing you could take bids on? Is there an actual budget for the project? If not how can there be more than a plan to secure funding? "Funding secured" makes it sound like the money is there now. That is the only point I have tried to make.

They have confirmation of funds ready to go when it becomes time to build.

You don't have to believe it. It won't make me lose sleep.

Are we talking cash on hand or loans preapproved.

Technically, neither.

Ok It's a secret. I get it.

[AppStateNews]

The university doesn't do projects one at a time? If there was money secured for the East side, it wouldn't matter what else was going on. We did Hickory, the renovation of Sanford Hall, and 105 all at once. I TRULY believe the East side project will happen. But the idea that a STATE university could hide 50 or so million dollars is ridiculous. All we've seen are artists renderings. Are there actually engineering plans, the kind of thing you could take bids on? Is there an actual budget for the project? If not how can there be more than a plan to secure funding? "Funding secured" makes it sound like the money is there now. That is the only point I have tried to make.

They have confirmation of funds ready to go when it becomes time to build.

You don't have to believe it. It won't make me lose sleep.

Are we talking cash on hand or loans preapproved.

Technically, neither.

Ok It's a secret. I get it.

The funding source is not public yet, correct. But, that is not the reason for my response.

It's not technically cash on hand or loans..

[mike87]

They have confirmation of funds ready to go when it becomes time to build.

You don't have to believe it. It won't make me lose sleep.

Are we talking cash on hand or loans preapproved.

Technically, neither.

Ok It's a secret. I get it.

The funding source is not public yet, correct. But, that is not the reason for my response.

It's not technically cash on hand or loans..

Somebody bought a lottery ticket.

[appdaze]

Are we talking cash on hand or loans preapproved.

Technically, neither.

Ok It's a secret. I get it.

The funding source is not public yet, correct. But, that is not the reason for my response.

It's not technically cash on hand or loans..

Somebody bought a lottery ticket.

Clark's just waiting for his OnlyFans account to pay off.

[appgrad95&97]

Technically, neither.

Ok It's a secret. I get it.

The funding source is not public yet, correct. But, that is not the reason for my response.

It's not technically cash on hand or loans..

Somebody bought a lottery ticket.

Clark's just waiting for his OnlyFans account to pay off.

Guys, AppStateNews assured us months ago that funding was secure. No lottery, no only fans. AppStateNews speaks ex cathedra.

[Saint3333]

I’m skeptical.

[appgrouch]

Ok It's a secret. I get it.

The funding source is not public yet, correct. But, that is not the reason for my response.

It's not technically cash on hand or loans..

Somebody bought a lottery ticket.

Clark's just waiting for his OnlyFans account to pay off.

Guys, AppStateNews assured us months ago that funding was secure. No lottery, no only fans. AppStateNews speaks ex cathedra.

Today the administration announces the App State Tithe Policy. Since football gives so much to the University and asks so little, as it is the most important part of the university, from now all 10% of all tuition and all departmental budgets will be given to out sord and lavior App State Football for its glory and the expansion of its kingdom.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

Today the administration announces the App State Tithe Policy. Since football gives so much to the University and asks so little, as it is the most important part of the university, from now all 10% of all tuition and all departmental budgets will be given to out sord and lavior App State Football for its glory and the expansion of its kingdom.

Honestly, probably would be fair.

[ericsaid]

The question is what does App give up in potential ticket revenue for non-premium games if there is a permanent expansion to 40,000? If you only fill that up two times a year, you're likely driving down prices by increasing supply not only for that game, but for future games. You may also drive down the incentive to join Yosef Club if tickets can be had whether you get season tickets or not.

You also have the question of current performance. If performance continues to trend the way its currently going what does that mean for attendance of games against less desirable opponents? You also would prefer not to get on the G5 train of bringing in outsiders as coaches because I believe, to a certain extent, that the fan base feels more engaged when one of their own is coaching. Satterfield and Clark have certainly bridged the gap between old and new which helps fans continue to feel the history of the program. If you get into a situation where you're bringing in guys like Drinkwitz (great coach, but people dislike him here), what does that do to fan interest?

I would think that a more permanent structure to the East side that may increase capacity to 35,000 or so, along with some luxury boxes, would be more suitable than a full on expansion.

Just my opinion though, which isn't worth a whole helluva lot.

[BayouApp]

Tough call. Either option would be good. The challenge, as you mentioned, is knowing what the future demand will be. We don't know the answer, and the case for 40K provides room for growth. We don't know when another opportunity to expand seating will come.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

Well, considering the project won't even begin until 2026 probably, we have a couple of years to flesh out demand. As long as we have a good year this year, I personally think all will be forgiven and demand will stay strong.

If we have a 4-8 year though, especially considering our relatively weak OOC home schedule going forward (with the exception of NC State in 2025 IF that happens which the experts seem to think it won't), this is a make-or-break year for demand.

[appgrad95&97]

The KBS expansion has approved guaranteed funds in place. From my understanding, it's basically fully funded.

Because of that, it allows us to throw more money at the 105 facilities.

That is not true. They think they can pay for it over time. They do not have the cash (or even current) pledges to pay for the East expansion.

Not what I have heard directly from Mr Gillin, but we will see. I may have misunderstood, but that is the reason for the quick turn around time.

Agree. This has been green lit rather quickly. If it was in need of funding, then it wouldn’t be moving so quickly.

That was nine months ago. I mean, come on. No announcement. Nothing. "Basically fully funded"

[AppSt94]

The KBS expansion has approved guaranteed funds in place. From my understanding, it's basically fully funded.

Because of that, it allows us to throw more money at the 105 facilities.

That is not true. They think they can pay for it over time. They do not have the cash (or even current) pledges to pay for the East expansion.

Not what I have heard directly from Mr Gillin, but we will see. I may have misunderstood, but that is the reason for the quick turn around time.

Agree. This has been green lit rather quickly. If it was in need of funding, then it wouldn’t be moving so quickly.

That was nine months ago. I mean, come on. No announcement. Nothing. "Basically fully funded"

You are free to believe what you wish. There is an order in which projects are prioritized. Gillin said as much LAST week. If you don’t wish to believe the man, that is your right. If you can’t take the word of the man in charge, then I doubt anyone here is going to unravel your cynicism.

[appgrad95&97]

That is not true. They think they can pay for it over time. They do not have the cash (or even current) pledges to pay for the East expansion.

Not what I have heard directly from Mr Gillin, but we will see. I may have misunderstood, but that is the reason for the quick turn around time.

Agree. This has been green lit rather quickly. If it was in need of funding, then it wouldn’t be moving so quickly.

That was nine months ago. I mean, come on. No announcement. Nothing. "Basically fully funded"

You are free to believe what you wish. There is an order in which projects are prioritized. Gillin said as much LAST week. If you don’t wish to believe the man, that is your right. If you can’t take the word of the man in charge, then I doubt anyone here is going to unravel your cynicism.

I have NEVER said the project wouldn't happen. I feel very confident that it will. But "fully funded" nine months ago or today is a joke.

[AppSt94]

Not what I have heard directly from Mr Gillin, but we will see. I may have misunderstood, but that is the reason for the quick turn around time.

Agree. This has been green lit rather quickly. If it was in need of funding, then it wouldn’t be moving so quickly.

That was nine months ago. I mean, come on. No announcement. Nothing. "Basically fully funded"

You are free to believe what you wish. There is an order in which projects are prioritized. Gillin said as much LAST week. If you don’t wish to believe the man, that is your right. If you can’t take the word of the man in charge, then I doubt anyone here is going to unravel your cynicism.

I have NEVER said the project wouldn't happen. I feel very confident that it will. But "fully funded" nine months ago or today is a joke.

So you are saying that you have proof that it is not?

[AppStateNews]

Not what I have heard directly from Mr Gillin, but we will see. I may have misunderstood, but that is the reason for the quick turn around time.

Agree. This has been green lit rather quickly. If it was in need of funding, then it wouldn’t be moving so quickly.

That was nine months ago. I mean, come on. No announcement. Nothing. "Basically fully funded"

You are free to believe what you wish. There is an order in which projects are prioritized. Gillin said as much LAST week. If you don’t wish to believe the man, that is your right. If you can’t take the word of the man in charge, then I doubt anyone here is going to unravel your cynicism.

I have NEVER said the project wouldn't happen. I feel very confident that it will. But "fully funded" nine months ago or today is a joke.

Just last week, Gillin said the East stands will be a profit center. Do you think he is able to say that without knowing how they are going to fund it? C'mon man...

Some things take time. Just because YOU haven't heard an announcement yet doesn't mean pieces haven't been moving for years.

[spacemonkey]

The question is what does App give up in potential ticket revenue for non-premium games if there is a permanent expansion to 40,000? If you only fill that up two times a year, you're likely driving down prices by increasing supply not only for that game, but for future games. You may also drive down the incentive to join Yosef Club if tickets can be had whether you get season tickets or not.

You also have the question of current performance. If performance continues to trend the way its currently going what does that mean for attendance of games against less desirable opponents? You also would prefer not to get on the G5 train of bringing in outsiders as coaches because I believe, to a certain extent, that the fan base feels more engaged when one of their own is coaching. Satterfield and Clark have certainly bridged the gap between old and new which helps fans continue to feel the history of the program. If you get into a situation where you're bringing in guys like Drinkwitz (great coach, but people dislike him here), what does that do to fan interest?

I would think that a more permanent structure to the East side that may increase capacity to 35,000 or so, along with some luxury boxes, would be more suitable than a full on expansion.

Just my opinion though, which isn't worth a whole helluva lot.

My belief is they make up demand numbers. I am sure season tickets sales were strong but if you limit the number to 12,000 in a 25,000 seat stadium then yeah you sold out of season tickets. The same can be done in a 40,000 seat stadium.

I would like to see the 40,000 seat stadium for concert and other event opportunities as well as being able to attract big name football teams to Boone. We can pay teams to come to Boone if we can sell out 45,000 tickets at 130 bucks a piece. Heck, Wake Forest may be a buy game in the future or we could pay Duke to come get a whoopin'. I wish we would stick some seats up on the hill beside the scoreboard (both sides) and keep the hill for the students. I like the students being close and involved in the game.