I know this topic has been discussed in numerous threads but I couldn't remember exactly which ones - so here we go ---

There have been many complaints about App's constant rotation of RBs - I have seen every game so I do know exactly what you are referring to - I have also read that we should just keep Cam in the game and pound him play after play, a quick break here and there but basically he is #1 and others are there to give him a breather ---

Can someone point to a solid team/program where they ride one RB almost extensively? I honestly can't think of any - Watching Alabama, and I think Gibbs is the best RB in the SEC, they used 3 RBs last night, LSU -2, UGA -3, Ohio ST -3, Mich -3, TCU -3, - some teams have guys hurt but I think you see the point ---

Again, I understand what some are saying but it doesn't appear we are doing anything out of the norm ---

The former players I talk to say it's a substantial advantage to have a decent 2-3 man rotation . Unless you have John Settle.

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:05 am

I know this topic has been discussed in numerous threads but I couldn't remember exactly which ones - so here we go ---

There have been many complaints about App's constant rotation of RBs - I have seen every game so I do know exactly what you are referring to - I have also read that we should just keep Cam in the game and pound him play after play, a quick break here and there but basically he is #1 and others are there to give him a breather ---

Can someone point to a solid team/program where they ride one RB almost extensively? I honestly can't think of any - Watching Alabama, and I think Gibbs is the best RB in the SEC, they used 3 RBs last night, LSU -2, UGA -3, Ohio ST -3, Mich -3, TCU -3, - some teams have guys hurt but I think you see the point ---

Again, I understand what some are saying but it doesn't appear we are doing anything out of the norm ---

I don’t think anyone would say cam needs to be getting 100% of the carries. He will need breaks. But I would bet Gibbs is on the field for 75% of all plays.

I am a primary two back guy... however I leave it to the coaches to decide

Only the players and coaches know the reasons behind the rotation. Agree with Bamboo leave it up to them. Those of us who aren't absolutely complaining are probably more curious and the situational aspect is what we are more upset about.
We get in those 3rd and 1 with Noel in for his turn we wonder why Castle or Cam doesn't switch in to give us the bigger guy advantage (hopefully). We all want to see Cam go 20 carries for 150 yards but it looks like that simply isn't gonna happen.

bigdaddyg wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:43 am

Only the players and coaches know the reasons behind the rotation. Agree with Bamboo leave it up to them. Those of us who aren't absolutely complaining are probably more curious and the situational aspect is what we are more upset about.
We get in those 3rd and 1 with Noel in for his turn we wonder why Castle or Cam doesn't switch in to give us the bigger guy advantage (hopefully). We all want to see Cam go 20 carries for 150 yards but it looks like that simply isn't gonna happen.

If you bring in certain backs for certain situations, everyone knows what’s coming.

Bama's #3 RB scored the 2 rushing TDs

I’d rather see some play rotation……

Cam needs 50-60% of the carries unless he is truly injured. He has the size to be our goal line back as well. I enjoy watching two back sets and the offensive potential they bring. Throw in a good hands TE and it can create some chaos across the middle with a receiving back and a good TE to support RB 1.

appdaze wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:55 am

Cam needs 50-60% of the carries unless he is truly injured. He has the size to be our goal line back as well. I enjoy watching two back sets and the offensive potential they bring. Throw in a good hands TE and it can create some chaos across the middle with a receiving back and a good TE to support RB 1.

Cam tweeted the other day that he’s not injured.

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:05 am

I know this topic has been discussed in numerous threads but I couldn't remember exactly which ones - so here we go ---

There have been many complaints about App's constant rotation of RBs - I have seen every game so I do know exactly what you are referring to - I have also read that we should just keep Cam in the game and pound him play after play, a quick break here and there but basically he is #1 and others are there to give him a breather ---

Can someone point to a solid team/program where they ride one RB almost extensively? I honestly can't think of any - Watching Alabama, and I think Gibbs is the best RB in the SEC, they used 3 RBs last night, LSU -2, UGA -3, Ohio ST -3, Mich -3, TCU -3, - some teams have guys hurt but I think you see the point ---

Again, I understand what some are saying but it doesn't appear we are doing anything out of the norm ---

But, in fairness, Gibbs ran the ball twice as much as any other back. I don't think folks are saying use only Cam. But, trying to share the load equally seems predetermined. I would add that I'm not necessarily advocating the primary back be Cam. Given the opposition, there are likely teams that Nate would be the more effective runner. He seemed to be against Coastal.

Cam can't pass block or catch which is why he comes off the field more often than fans like. He's better at both because of work he's put in, but he is not better than Noel at it.

To be honest, Chop is our best back. He's just not 100% healthy.

OK - while some say go with Cam as clear #1 with only occasional breaks - while others don't even believe he is our best back - Maybe that's why the coaches go with a rotation ---

WVAPPeer wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm

OK - while some say go with Cam as clear #1 with only occasional breaks - while others don't even believe he is our best back - Maybe that's why the coaches go with a rotation ---

WVAPPeer is spot on. The coaches are acting like fans. Indecisive of what to do so they run a rotation.

News flash. It's not working. Pick a guy and go with it. It cant hurt to try something new. Our program is bleeding out.

yosef69 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:45 am

bigdaddyg wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:43 am

Only the players and coaches know the reasons behind the rotation. Agree with Bamboo leave it up to them. Those of us who aren't absolutely complaining are probably more curious and the situational aspect is what we are more upset about.
We get in those 3rd and 1 with Noel in for his turn we wonder why Castle or Cam doesn't switch in to give us the bigger guy advantage (hopefully). We all want to see Cam go 20 carries for 150 yards but it looks like that simply isn't gonna happen.

If you bring in certain backs for certain situations, everyone knows what’s coming.

What’s the difference? Everybody already knows whats coming anyway. How about may one day throwing in a different play on 3rd or 4th and 1? How about a play action, or maybe release a TE for a quick dump behind the 9 or 10 defenders that are stacking the box? When was the last time we saw something like that?

AppinATL wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm

yosef69 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:45 am

bigdaddyg wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:43 am

Only the players and coaches know the reasons behind the rotation. Agree with Bamboo leave it up to them. Those of us who aren't absolutely complaining are probably more curious and the situational aspect is what we are more upset about.
We get in those 3rd and 1 with Noel in for his turn we wonder why Castle or Cam doesn't switch in to give us the bigger guy advantage (hopefully). We all want to see Cam go 20 carries for 150 yards but it looks like that simply isn't gonna happen.

If you bring in certain backs for certain situations, everyone knows what’s coming.

What’s the difference? Everybody already knows whats coming anyway. How about may one day throwing in a different play on 3rd or 4th and 1? How about a play action, or maybe release a TE for a quick dump behind the 9 or 10 defenders that are stacking the box? When was the last time we saw something like that?

Yep I wasn't suggesting that we absolutely hand it off to those guys every situation. Bring Cam in on 3rd and 1 and fake it with the defense jamming the box. Crazy

AppStateNews wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:45 pm

Cam can't pass block or catch which is why he comes off the field more often than fans like. He's better at both because of work he's put in, but he is not better than Noel at it.

To be honest, Chop is our best back. He's just not 100% healthy.

While I know Peoples is the best NFL prospect I am with you that Chop is the best runner. It is fun to watch him. He seems to pick up extra yards that you don't expect. Ideally I would love to see us use 4-5 RBs every game. Our room is that good and they all bring something to the table.

I only see one of our guys playing in the NFL unless someone catches fire ,and he's not a RB.

AppStateNews wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:45 pm

Cam can't pass block or catch which is why he comes off the field more often than fans like. He's better at both because of work he's put in, but he is not better than Noel at it.

To be honest, Chop is our best back. He's just not 100% healthy.

I have been hearing this Cam can't block stuff for a couple of years now so I started paying real close attention in passing downs when either Cam or Nate are in. I can tell you, I don't see Cam missing blocks, not sure how that argument got started but it hasn't played out in the games. Cam has more yards per attempt than ANY running back to wear the Black and Gold (including Settle and Marcus) with a minimum of 300 carries. Not sure how anyone can see that and question who our best back is. In FBS games since 2001 when Cam gets more that 14 carries we are 8-1 with the lone loss being Miami when he got nicked up and couldn't finish. We are a lowing 4-7 when he gets less than 14 carries. People can say whatever they want but those stats are very telling. For a coach that likes analytics so much, one would think that analytic has crossed his desk at least once. I have heard repeatedly that the coaches think Nate is our best back, and Nate is great, but in games Cam just delivers more when he gets enough chance to do it. I am not saying don't rotate, I am saying that Cam should get 15-20 carries a game. I honestly don't think we would have beat A&M if Nate was healthy and we were rotating our backs the way we do.

Versus Coastal.

First drive, Noel is in, one carry.
Second drive, Peoples in in, three carries.
Third drive, Daetrich is in, three carries, last one is a short touchdown run after a big pass play.

Where's the consistency? How can you get in a rhythm? This just seems like appeasement.

In 2019, Darrynton Evans had 255 carries all season. Marcus Williams Jr had 113.It was worth it to have the better back, Evans, do damage all season on a consistent basis. The previous season, 2018, Evans had 179 carries and Williams 122 carries, but those are skewed because of Jalin Moore's career-ending injury. In 2017, Jalin had 183 carries and Williams had 97. Look at 2014 and 2015, it's mostly Marcus Cox. In 2016, Cox missed some games so Moore got more carries.