For the good of the Program

[TractorApp]

1. We need to play only underclass men that are committed to coming back next year. Love Chase, but he needs to be done. Same with Cam.
2. We need to have live tackling drills in every practice for the rest of the year. Don't accept excuses about injuries. Those guys have got to get better. Embarrassing.
3. After the season, we need to clean house and replace both coordinators, the OL and secondary coaches.
4. Tell Clark if this team doesn't show heart and fight, he won't be back for '24.

[ASUFan4863]

Playing devils advocate here although I agree with a lot of your comments:
1 - it would be dumb to burn the redshirt on guys like Roberts for this season. Also, after a lot of the work these guys have put in through the years (Chop, Brice, Jones) to take their playing career away from them overnight would be detrimental.

2 - 100% agree
3 - Dale Jones yes. Barbay no. I think our offense will be MUCH better with a mobile QB and a set 1-2 punch in the backfield.
4 - 10000% agree. Buyout drops significantly Dec. 2, 2023. Clark has 12 months for me.

[ASUFan4863]

Playing devils advocate here although I agree with a lot of your comments:
1 - it would be dumb to burn the redshirt on guys like Roberts for this season. Also, after a lot of the work these guys have put in through the years (Chop, Brice, Jones) to take their playing career away from them overnight would be detrimental.

2 - 100% agree
3 - Dale Jones yes. Barbay no. I think our offense will be MUCH better with a mobile QB and a set 1-2 punch in the backfield.
4 - 10000% agree. Buyout drops significantly Dec. 2, 2023. Clark has 12 months for me.

It is clear our offense is designed for a mobile QB. CB7 has done a great job bridging the gap and giving up amazing things to cheer for. HOWEVER, our offense would run better with a mobile QB in my uneducated opinion.

To me, it is a bigger issue as to why we don’t tailor the game plan more to Chase’s strengths and keep trying to force RPO on him.

[AppStateMtneer]

U can play like 3 games before burning redshirts… I don’t think those guys played more than 1 game this year…. we have to change how we do things… best man plays… screw the fear of burning shirts especially since kids can jump ship to a lateral FBS team without losing a year like they used to…. Don’t focus on the transfer portal… get kids that WANT to be an APP STATE guy out of high school… play the best guys… if they leave then they weren’t App guys.

[AppStFan1]

U can play like 3 games before burning redshirts… I don’t think those guys played more than 1 game this year…. we have to change how we do things… best man plays… screw the fear of burning shirts especially since kids can jump ship to a lateral FBS team without losing a year like they used to…. Don’t focus on the transfer portal… get kids that WANT to be an APP STATE guy out of high school… play the best guys… if they leave then they weren’t App guys.

Players can play 4 games and redshirt. I do think it is time to see what we have in Burger but Clark might not do that unless we lose to ODU because if we won out he could finish 8-5 and spin it that we are turning it around.

I do think if we lose out that Clark will be gone in a couple weeks. I know some told me there is no way he is gone early due to money but if we don't win another game I still believe we have boosters that will pony it up. There are a lot of issues but with our young talent and the portal we could turn it around next year. I just hope Clark gets it together but I don't know. I will pick us to win for the first time in 3 weeks this coming week but only because ODU looked so bad against JMU.

[AppStateNews]

Kanye Roberts has played two games this year. Berger has played one. You can play 4 and keep the shirt. I think Kanye is the only one that is likely to get a lot of play time next year that has played two.

It's against NCAA rules to have full pads all week. Can't do that much live tackling any more. But agree, tackling is pretty awful.

I'm confident at least Wade will be gone after this season. It doesn't matter who is back there with the o line play this year. Play calling hasn't helped, but that's a product of inferior o line play. It appears the guys don't want to play for Wade for whatever reason.

Clark should get at least one more year after some changes to the staff, in my opinion. But, I also know there are influential people with a lot of money that think otherwise.

[AppStFan1]

Kanye Roberts has played two games this year. Berger has played one. You can play 4 and keep the shirt. I think Kanye is the only one that is likely to get a lot of play time next year that has played two.

It's against NCAA rules to have full pads all week. Can't do that much live tackling any more. But agree, tackling is pretty awful.

I'm confident at least Wade will be gone after this season. It doesn't matter who is back there with the o line play this year. Play calling hasn't helped, but that's a product of inferior o line play. It appears the guys don't want to play for Wade for whatever reason.

Clark should get at least one more year after some changes to the staff, in my opinion. But, I also know there are influential people with a lot of money that think otherwise.

I'm with you and I'm fine with one more year as long as major changes are made. Your last comment I made without saying it was big money people and some on here told me I was crazy that it could not happen. I know some big money donors who said a couple weeks ago that if Shawn misses a bowl game that they would absolutely pony up the money to buy him out. We have a lot of influential people who want him gone as of tomorrow so there is a real chance he goes. At the very least he has to make a lot of changes on the offensive staff and with Dale Jones. I do think the defense was solid today but I just don't believe in Dale being a consistently good DC. I fear that this pressure is getting to Clark and he is melting. Just a sad state because I think the world of him as a person.

[CoachRob]

Dale Jones hasn't been the problem. While our DL is great vs run, Hampton is the only talent that can rush the passer. Now you can bring some extra pressure, but ... Jones is the only DB that can consistently cover. A youth movement in the secondary may be a decent idea. But defense actually has played well past several games. They have done enough to get stops and give our offense a chance to win, which they have not done.

[AppStateNews]

Dale Jones hasn't been the problem. While our DL is great vs run, Hampton is the only talent that can rush the passer. Now you can bring some extra pressure, but ... Jones is the only DB that can consistently cover. A youth movement in the secondary may be a decent idea. But defense actually has played well past several games. They have done enough to get stops and give our offense a chance to win, which they have not done.

Agree. I think Dale has made good adjustments throughout the season. Hell, we essentially ran a 5-2 for a large majority of the game today. Haven't seen that yet. He's adjusted to the personnel we have. I would love to see Burks in place of Clarke. He can't he a worse tackler.

[CharlotteApp05]

It is tougher thinking of areas where we are solid than where we need change.

Point blank Offense is terrible. You can say an, oline, OC, receiver drops, youth and at certain times you would be right. We don’t have anybody that is 100% dependable.

Defense -Mostly same point. Could be DJ, corners, youth, tackling, technique, coverage, penalties…

Every game, everyone on our team makes too many mistakes.

And then even HC. Go for it on 4th in weird situations. Lack of intensity. Declining records for how many straight years.

We need major changes. It is not one person or one position. We have gaps everywhere.

[TractorApp]

To be clear, I don't want to burn redshirts. But, I want the young 'uns to play in the four games they have to play in without burning a redshirt. If that means Burger and Tabscott have played in 2 games or less, they needs to start and/or play the last two games and give Chase and the other QBs the bowl game if we make it. It sux, but for the good of the program it needs to happen.

I want to see Noel, Castle and Roberts playing 90%+ of the snaps. Give meaningful snaps to Freshmen at other positions in both sides of the ball.

In essence, let's start working on getting this team ready to return to its spot at the top of the conference in '23.

Clark needs to start coaching for his job now. Because he is.

[BambooRdApp]

I am not sure either Burger or Tabscott will be our starting QB next year.

[ASU843]

When was the last time we lost 5? Inessence we are 3-5. Could be worse in a couple of weeks. I see nothing that excites me for the future.

[HurricaneYosef]

1. We need to play only underclass men that are committed to coming back next year. Love Chase, but he needs to be done. Same with Cam.
2. We need to have live tackling drills in every practice for the rest of the year. Don't accept excuses about injuries. Those guys have got to get better. Embarrassing.
3. After the season, we need to clean house and replace both coordinators, the OL and secondary coaches.
4. Tell Clark if this team doesn't show heart and fight, he won't be back for '24.

1. Chase, Chop, Pearson, others/etc have given their all for this university, would be. disrespectful to not play them these last few games. We are still fighting for a bowl game appearance and bowl victory.

2. Agreed, think our defensive struggles are a personal issue not a coaching / what we practice issue. (if you want to blame the coaches for recruiting this personnel.. fair)

3. Barbay no, last thing we need is a SIXTH OC in 6 years. Like an above comment I think a true dual threat QB is better for his system and just a better fit for the App State brand of football we are accustomed to seeing. Dale Jones is App State football, his recruiting and player development would be a big blow. However, I would love to see the return of Mark Ivey & Bryan Brown from Louisville if Satt and co are let go this off season. I also wouldn't be opposed to finding a new DC, but keeping Jones on staff if he's okay with a second "demotion" here in Boone. This is our 3rd DB coach in 3 years and I think consistency and development there is our biggest issue, once thats solved I think Dale or whoever is at DC will be able to thrive.

4. I do agree the lack of passion we've seen in some of these games has been shocking. Don't know if NIL and transfer portal aspirations have guys checked out way earlier / easier than normal, but definitely need to see some true fight these last 2 weeks

[Stonewall]

HCSC needs to let OC do his job.

[311neers]

We need size upfront and speed in secondary. Clark needs to call every 3rd-4th stringer at UGA and backups at clemson and regional schools (UT, state, unc) and offering them a spot in the off-season via the portal.

Oh, and play Kanye roberts the next 2 games so he don’t leave to one of the above schools.

[CharlotteApp05]

What happened to our strategy of recruiting high school qbs who have traditionally been best athletes on the team? We have done a good job historically of making them great players in the secondary and receivers.

[311neers]

What happened to our strategy of recruiting high school qbs who have traditionally been best athletes on the team? We have done a good job historically of making them great players in the secondary and receivers.

We have a few of those on the roster but they are younger. So probably still learning the transition. Have also had 1 or two of those athletes transfer out in the past year or so. That worked in socon and weak sun belt ball, probably not going to work anymore.

[AppStateNews]

We need size upfront and speed in secondary. Clark needs to call every 3rd-4th stringer at UGA and backups at clemson and regional schools (UT, state, unc) and offering them a spot in the off-season via the portal.

Oh, and play Kanye roberts the next 2 games so he don’t leave to one of the above schools.

So you want Clark to break NCAA rules? That's a little weird...

[311neers]

We need size upfront and speed in secondary. Clark needs to call every 3rd-4th stringer at UGA and backups at clemson and regional schools (UT, state, unc) and offering them a spot in the off-season via the portal.

Oh, and play Kanye roberts the next 2 games so he don’t leave to one of the above schools.

So you want Clark to break NCAA rules? That's a little weird...

Wait, we can’t call kids and recruit the portal? Do they have to call us first? I thought portal was free game both ways