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It's time guys...Clark must go

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:51 pm

mountaineerman wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
While we’re at it let’s get Doug too!
This isn’t a good comparison. No doubt, Doug has elevated App State Football. Yes Clark may prove to be a bad hire, but if so that’s one bad move over his tenure. We have gotten progressively worse under Clark’s tenure.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by appgrad95&97 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:51 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:28 pm
ah59396 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Hope everyone in here advocating for a firing has their wallets ready to donate to the Yosef club. Put your money where your mouths are.
What if I told you there are good coaches that don't need millions?
Throw out some names
Rich Rodriguez makes around 500k at Jacksonville St.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:52 pm

It's really hard to put up 629 yards and lose a game. Basically we accomplished that feat twice this year.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:52 pm

Buyout at this point would have been about $1.5 million less without the extension he was given. Why was he given that extension again?
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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Black Saturday » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:54 pm

Maybe we aren't having this conversation with as much heat if we hadn't choked on JMU, ill-prepared for Texas State and the loss tonight. Those wins would only mask the problem?
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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Seattleapp » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:54 pm

appgrad95&97 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:51 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:28 pm
ah59396 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Hope everyone in here advocating for a firing has their wallets ready to donate to the Yosef club. Put your money where your mouths are.
What if I told you there are good coaches that don't need millions?
Throw out some names
Rich Rodriguez makes around 500k at Jacksonville St.
Rich. Don’t you have an agent? Seriously? This pandering on the message board is sad. Have some dignity man

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by GlassOnion » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:48 pm
AppWyo wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:46 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm


Throw out some names
My point is simple, but perhaps naive. My post is absolute truth - for the same reason there are not only 2 people worthy of leading the free world every 4 years. There are tens of thousands of individuals that could do a better job than anyone you place on a pedestal.

We are all just people.
So you don’t really have anyone you are just venting. You are just talking
Why do some people always believe someone else is always better than who we have?
Everyone loves the backup quarterback
We're already on our 3rd string coach. Clark was brought in, given what, 1 or 2 seasons of resume building on the App staff, and thrust unprepared into the HC position. A program like App could have recruited any number of young, talented, innovative coaching candidates, but we got Mr. -3 yards and a cloud of dust.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by NoLongerLurking » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:28 pm
ah59396 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:55 pm
Hope everyone in here advocating for a firing has their wallets ready to donate to the Yosef club. Put your money where your mouths are.
What if I told you there are good coaches that don't need millions?
Throw out some names
My point is simple, but perhaps naive. My post is absolute truth - for the same reason there are not only 2 people worthy of leading the free world every 4 years. There are tens of thousands of individuals that could do a better job than anyone you place on a pedestal.

We are all just people.
So you don’t really have anyone you are just venting. You are just talking
Yes, just speaking through a forum - but certainly not conveying my point in a manner to be listened to or understood. It's okay. Just a game.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Seattleapp » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:51 pm
mountaineerman wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
While we’re at it let’s get Doug too!
This isn’t a good comparison. No doubt, Doug has elevated App State Football. Yes Clark may prove to be a bad hire, but if so that’s one bad move over his tenure. We have gotten progressively worse under Clark’s tenure.
When you are stupid you lobby to fire
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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by mountaineerman » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:56 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:54 pm
Maybe we aren't having this conversation with as much heat if we hadn't choked on JMU, ill-prepared for Texas State and the loss tonight. Those wins would only mask the problem?
Or didn’t have the miracle against Troy come on man!

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Seattleapp » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:56 pm

NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:28 pm


What if I told you there are good coaches that don't need millions?
Throw out some names
My point is simple, but perhaps naive. My post is absolute truth - for the same reason there are not only 2 people worthy of leading the free world every 4 years. There are tens of thousands of individuals that could do a better job than anyone you place on a pedestal.

We are all just people.
So you don’t really have anyone you are just venting. You are just talking
Yes, just speaking through a forum - but certainly not conveying my point in a manner to be listened to or understood. It's okay. Just a game.
I’m with you on that. I know a lot of this is just venting

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:57 pm

To be fair, we got worse with Satterfield before we became awesome. 5 of our 6 losses were one score games. Need to get better on defense and an area we can improve there is coordinator. We make one more stop per game, we win all 5 of those and we’re sitting at 11-1. Defensive playcalling has been consistently terrible all season. Just need to improve defense by one series stop a game, 11-1. The failure of our season is on the failure of the defense, not the players, the coaching.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Yosefus » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:57 pm

NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:28 pm


What if I told you there are good coaches that don't need millions?
Throw out some names
My point is simple, but perhaps naive. My post is absolute truth - for the same reason there are not only 2 people worthy of leading the free world every 4 years. There are tens of thousands of individuals that could do a better job than anyone you place on a pedestal.

We are all just people.
So you don’t really have anyone you are just venting. You are just talking
Yes, just speaking through a forum - but certainly not conveying my point in a manner to be listened to or understood. It's okay. Just a game.
Oh Lord he's lost it

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by ah59396 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:58 pm

AppWyo wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:46 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:28 pm


What if I told you there are good coaches that don't need millions?
Throw out some names
My point is simple, but perhaps naive. My post is absolute truth - for the same reason there are not only 2 people worthy of leading the free world every 4 years. There are tens of thousands of individuals that could do a better job than anyone you place on a pedestal.

We are all just people.
So you don’t really have anyone you are just venting. You are just talking
Why do some people always believe someone else is always better than who we have?
Because it’s very easy to say “let’s make a change” without a real solution. Name the scenario and someone can tell you “it can be better”. Ask them how and you’ll hear crickets.

The fact is, winning FBS football games aint easy. This year sucked, and Shawn would probably be the first to admit it. It doesn’t even come close to meeting the standards of App State football. But we were a FG at Ga Southern, a 2 Pt conversion against UNC, a bad penalty call against JMU from being 9-3.

Sure those are excuses and someone will point to Troy, but it’s also the reality of the margins of college football. If it’s so easy to find a cheap replacement that’ll win all these games, let’s go do it. But I promise, it’s not.
YNWA

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Yosef10 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:06 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:04 pm
mountaineerman wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:01 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:58 pm
I know this isn’t the popular opinion as we’ve been decimated by injuries this year. Yea I know who cares. That doesn’t matter right? But if we are measured on wins and losses, our kicker doesn’t choke we are winning and going bowling. I’m prepared for the onslaught of insults I’m sure will he directed my way. But to fire Clark is sec level idiocy
Do you want another year of giving up the 3rd and 13 for 24? This defense is really bad. Let’s start there.
Do you see who’s out there? Did you even bother to look at the injury report? The rebuilt defense has struggled, the injury replacements of the rebuilt defense have really struggled. That shouldn’t result in firing Clark
The defense isn't why you fire Clark. The two drives at the end of each half are perfect examples of why you fire Clark. Ball on the 25 with 38 seconds left, all 3 time outs. What does Clark do? Runs the ball once for 5 yards and lets time run out. Last drive of regulation, ball inside the 20 with 21 seconds left and 2 timeouts. What's he do? Runs one play and lets the clock run down to :03 for a missed FG. The way he coaches forces you to win on the margins. That's a recipe for losing a lot of games against lesser talented teams.

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Black Saturday » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:08 pm

ah59396 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:58 pm
AppWyo wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:46 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 pm
NoLongerLurking wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:29 pm


Throw out some names
My point is simple, but perhaps naive. My post is absolute truth - for the same reason there are not only 2 people worthy of leading the free world every 4 years. There are tens of thousands of individuals that could do a better job than anyone you place on a pedestal.

We are all just people.
So you don’t really have anyone you are just venting. You are just talking
Why do some people always believe someone else is always better than who we have?
Because it’s very easy to say “let’s make a change” without a real solution. Name the scenario and someone can tell you “it can be better”. Ask them how and you’ll hear crickets.

The fact is, winning FBS football games aint easy. This year sucked, and Shawn would probably be the first to admit it. It doesn’t even come close to meeting the standards of App State football. But we were a FG at Ga Southern, a 2 Pt conversion against UNC, a bad penalty call against JMU from being 9-3.

Sure those are excuses and someone will point to Troy, but it’s also the reality of the margins of college football. If it’s so easy to find a cheap replacement that’ll win all these games, let’s go do it. But I promise, it’s not.
I'm sure Shawn will
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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:09 pm

Where was the give it more time crowd when Capel and Fox were stinking things up?
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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Seattleapp » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:11 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:06 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:04 pm
mountaineerman wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:01 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:58 pm
I know this isn’t the popular opinion as we’ve been decimated by injuries this year. Yea I know who cares. That doesn’t matter right? But if we are measured on wins and losses, our kicker doesn’t choke we are winning and going bowling. I’m prepared for the onslaught of insults I’m sure will he directed my way. But to fire Clark is sec level idiocy
Do you want another year of giving up the 3rd and 13 for 24? This defense is really bad. Let’s start there.
Do you see who’s out there? Did you even bother to look at the injury report? The rebuilt defense has struggled, the injury replacements of the rebuilt defense have really struggled. That shouldn’t result in firing Clark
The defense isn't why you fire Clark. The two drives at the end of each half are perfect examples of why you fire Clark. Ball on the 25 with 38 seconds left, all 3 time outs. What does Clark do? Runs the ball once for 5 yards and lets time run out. Last drive of regulation, ball inside the 20 with 21 seconds left and 2 timeouts. What's he do? Runs one play and lets the clock run down to :03 for a missed FG. The way he coaches forces you to win on the margins. That's a recipe for losing a lot of games against lesser talented teams.
Completely disagree. You are getting the ball to start the second half with an opportunity to push the lead to two
Scores. Throwing the ball on your own 25 with the lead and 30 seconds left, no
Coach does that. A turnover and you erase
Your advantage of getting the second half
Kickoff

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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by Black Saturday » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:13 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:06 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:04 pm
mountaineerman wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:01 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:58 pm
I know this isn’t the popular opinion as we’ve been decimated by injuries this year. Yea I know who cares. That doesn’t matter right? But if we are measured on wins and losses, our kicker doesn’t choke we are winning and going bowling. I’m prepared for the onslaught of insults I’m sure will he directed my way. But to fire Clark is sec level idiocy
Do you want another year of giving up the 3rd and 13 for 24? This defense is really bad. Let’s start there.
Do you see who’s out there? Did you even bother to look at the injury report? The rebuilt defense has struggled, the injury replacements of the rebuilt defense have really struggled. That shouldn’t result in firing Clark
The defense isn't why you fire Clark. The two drives at the end of each half are perfect examples of why you fire Clark. Ball on the 25 with 38 seconds left, all 3 time outs. What does Clark do? Runs the ball once for 5 yards and lets time run out. Last drive of regulation, ball inside the 20 with 21 seconds left and 2 timeouts. What's he do? Runs one play and lets the clock run down to :03 for a missed FG. The way he coaches forces you to win on the margins. That's a recipe for losing a lot of games against lesser talented teams.
And let me add being stuffed on all the 1 yard to go plays over the season like tonight 3rd and 1 get stuffed and run it again on 4th and 1 and get stuffed, where's our vaunted speed being used we pump our chest about?
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Re: It's time guys...Clark must go

Unread post by yosef69 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:15 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:13 pm
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:06 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:04 pm
mountaineerman wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:01 pm
Seattleapp wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:58 pm
I know this isn’t the popular opinion as we’ve been decimated by injuries this year. Yea I know who cares. That doesn’t matter right? But if we are measured on wins and losses, our kicker doesn’t choke we are winning and going bowling. I’m prepared for the onslaught of insults I’m sure will he directed my way. But to fire Clark is sec level idiocy
Do you want another year of giving up the 3rd and 13 for 24? This defense is really bad. Let’s start there.
Do you see who’s out there? Did you even bother to look at the injury report? The rebuilt defense has struggled, the injury replacements of the rebuilt defense have really struggled. That shouldn’t result in firing Clark
The defense isn't why you fire Clark. The two drives at the end of each half are perfect examples of why you fire Clark. Ball on the 25 with 38 seconds left, all 3 time outs. What does Clark do? Runs the ball once for 5 yards and lets time run out. Last drive of regulation, ball inside the 20 with 21 seconds left and 2 timeouts. What's he do? Runs one play and lets the clock run down to :03 for a missed FG. The way he coaches forces you to win on the margins. That's a recipe for losing a lot of games against lesser talented teams.
And let me add being stuffed on all the 1 yard to go plays over the season like tonight 3rd and 1 get stuffed and run it again on 4th and 1 and get stuffed, where's our vaunted speed being used we pump our chest about?
You have an OL coach as your head coach and your team has repeatedly shown all season long that there is close to a 0% chance they get 1 yard on third and 1 and then on 4th and 2.

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